Futsal World Cup: Fifa Drops Bombshell On Bangkok Arena

[Thai at Heart]

What is so interesting is that one of the key tenets of Buddhism is the acceptance of change, nothing stays the same, yet, here we see a huge amount of energy being wasted to restrict change in every way. Change will come eventually, but probably not in my lifetime; it's going to be a hard road.

Did you watch the TV for the last 5 years. There was a bunch of people in red shirts, supposedly attempting to support the poor, backed up by thousands from the provinces, going toe to toe with the army. Horrendously disturbing for any country.

There are certain prescient moments that occur in a country, that mark the start of something changing, be it good or bad. We all remember Tianenman, and even though it may not appear that the students achieved everything they wanted, the country changed massively. Thailand is changing relatively rapidly, and we can all moan about how PTP is going about it, but in reality it is a minor tidal wave, minimum wage up to 300 baht, very cheap healthcare offered to basically everyone, and more and more. Even the democrats finally started making policies aimed at helping the poor.

10 years ago, this type of thing would have been unheard of.

The day I remember was watching the police attempting to move the PAD out of their enclave, the police attempting to move them out with their ridiculous exploding tear gas, and that bloke in his pickup blatantly driving over a policeman on the floor. It summed up to me that the country was so split, and left me with a very bad feeling for the near future. So the reds burned down some buildings, the army attacked, people died, and the process of moving the country "forward" is still on going.

It took all the mess of the last few years for people to realise that coups don't work, even a military speech maker is up for sedition, Jatuporn still doesn't have (and probably never will) his cabinet seat, and the army is probably pretty terrified about ever being asked to intervene and take control of the country politically after their last rather poor effort All we need now is for some one in exile to pass away or disappear to sit in his pool in Dubai, and finally, and finally, for Abhisit to grow some balls and go off and make his own brand new political party.

So Thailand, is going through some massive growing up pains democratically. Maybe one day, they will simply resort to taking out offensive campaign adds as the worst they can do to each other politically.

Who knows, maybe in a few years there will be 2 or 3 political parties with a clear ideology. Now to achieve that in say 15 years since the advent of TRT would be extremely fast.

[rics21]

What is so interesting is that one of the key tenets of Buddhism is the acceptance of change, nothing stays the same, yet, here we see a huge amount of energy being wasted to restrict change in every way. Change will come eventually, but probably not in my lifetime; it's going to be a hard road.

Did you watch the TV for the last 5 years. There was a bunch of people in red shirts, supposedly attempting to support the poor, backed up by thousands from the provinces, going toe to toe with the army. Horrendously disturbing for any country.

There are certain prescient moments that occur in a country, that mark the start of something changing, be it good or bad. We all remember Tianenman, and even though it may not appear that the students achieved everything they wanted, the country changed massively. Thailand is changing relatively rapidly, and we can all moan about how PTP is going about it, but in reality it is a minor tidal wave, minimum wage up to 300 baht, very cheap healthcare offered to basically everyone, and more and more. Even the democrats finally started making policies aimed at helping the poor.

10 years ago, this type of thing would have been unheard of.

The day I remember was watching the police attempting to move the PAD out of their enclave, the police attempting to move them out with their ridiculous exploding tear gas, and that bloke in his pickup blatantly driving over a policeman on the floor. It summed up to me that the country was so split, and left me with a very bad feeling for the near future. So the reds burned down some buildings, the army attacked, people died, and the process of moving the country "forward" is still on going.

It took all the mess of the last few years for people to realise that coups don't work, even a military speech maker is up for sedition, Jatuporn still doesn't have (and probably never will) his cabinet seat, and the army is probably pretty terrified about ever being asked to intervene and take control of the country politically after their last rather poor effort All we need now is for some one in exile to pass away or disappear to sit in his pool in Dubai, and finally, and finally, for Abhisit to grow some balls and go off and make his own brand new political party.

So Thailand, is going through some massive growing up pains democratically. Maybe one day, they will simply resort to taking out offensive campaign adds as the worst they can do to each other politically.

Who knows, maybe in a few years there will be 2 or 3 political parties with a clear ideology. Now to achieve that in say 15 years since the advent of TRT would be extremely fast.

1. Abhisit, what has he done during his short period being a prime minister? What makes u think he has the ability to lead the country?

2. There are 2 main groups of Thais. Those who like thaksin and those who hate him. The tiny percentage of votes going to the charisma of abhisit isn't going to get him anyway.

Who is he without his democrats/ special backers?

3. The majority of the Democrats supporters are voting for the Democrats because either they hate thaksin or they are voting for their grassroots leaders.

4. This very failure is an example of a country run by the Democrats. Corrupt and slow.

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[Thaddeus]

And they want to build a Nuclear Power plant, they can't even build a frigging Futsal pitch.

How do you pronounce Homer Simpson in Thai...

Doh .....

[Thaddeus]

4. This very failure is an example of a country run by the Democrats. Corrupt and slow.

Nope, this very failure is a fine and upstanding example of a country run by Thai bureaucrats.

[Thai at Heart]

What is so interesting is that one of the key tenets of Buddhism is the acceptance of change, nothing stays the same, yet, here we see a huge amount of energy being wasted to restrict change in every way. Change will come eventually, but probably not in my lifetime; it's going to be a hard road.

Did you watch the TV for the last 5 years. There was a bunch of people in red shirts, supposedly attempting to support the poor, backed up by thousands from the provinces, going toe to toe with the army. Horrendously disturbing for any country.

There are certain prescient moments that occur in a country, that mark the start of something changing, be it good or bad. We all remember Tianenman, and even though it may not appear that the students achieved everything they wanted, the country changed massively. Thailand is changing relatively rapidly, and we can all moan about how PTP is going about it, but in reality it is a minor tidal wave, minimum wage up to 300 baht, very cheap healthcare offered to basically everyone, and more and more. Even the democrats finally started making policies aimed at helping the poor.

10 years ago, this type of thing would have been unheard of.

The day I remember was watching the police attempting to move the PAD out of their enclave, the police attempting to move them out with their ridiculous exploding tear gas, and that bloke in his pickup blatantly driving over a policeman on the floor. It summed up to me that the country was so split, and left me with a very bad feeling for the near future. So the reds burned down some buildings, the army attacked, people died, and the process of moving the country "forward" is still on going.

It took all the mess of the last few years for people to realise that coups don't work, even a military speech maker is up for sedition, Jatuporn still doesn't have (and probably never will) his cabinet seat, and the army is probably pretty terrified about ever being asked to intervene and take control of the country politically after their last rather poor effort All we need now is for some one in exile to pass away or disappear to sit in his pool in Dubai, and finally, and finally, for Abhisit to grow some balls and go off and make his own brand new political party.

So Thailand, is going through some massive growing up pains democratically. Maybe one day, they will simply resort to taking out offensive campaign adds as the worst they can do to each other politically.

Who knows, maybe in a few years there will be 2 or 3 political parties with a clear ideology. Now to achieve that in say 15 years since the advent of TRT would be extremely fast.

1. Abhisit, what has he done during his short period being a prime minister? What makes u think he has the ability to lead the country?

2. There are 2 main groups of Thais. Those who like thaksin and those who hate him. The tiny percentage of votes going to the charisma of abhisit isn't going to get him anyway.

Who is he without his democrats/ special backers?

3. The majority of the Democrats supporters are voting for the Democrats because either they hate thaksin or they are voting for their grassroots leaders.

4. This very failure is an example of a country run by the Democrats. Corrupt and slow.

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Look, I am not saying that Abhisit is the only man to lead the country. Go read the other paper's front page, he will have a s**t fight so big going on tomorrow you won't believe it.

However, he is as far as any of us know completely clean of corruption, (leaving tomorrows front page aside), so, for this country to genuinely move forward, it needs to be accepted that PTP is probably going to be in power for a very long time, but there needs to be something akin to a clean opposition, because the easist and simplest way to bring them down is to get them on corruption.

I am not saying that Abhisit is the best PM the country could possibly find, but, deep down inside, he should have more than the capability to lead the country forward in a better more balanced way that PTP, who are throwing their weight around attempting more to hurt democrat backers than making the best policy decisions. Thaksin is no real saviour for anyone. He tried to be an Asian Chavez, but, he got squished. Beyond him we have Yingluck and Chalerm. Woopdee doo.

Abhisit is handcuffed to these idiot crony, corrupt, dinosaur Democrats, and if he did go off on his own unencumbered maybe he utterly crashes and burns, but as long as he is tied to this ball and chain or rotting crap, he has no political future whatsoever. Do you honestly believe he likes the army being front and centre of Thai politics? If he does, he didn't learn much in Oxford.

The guy does deserve a chance to campaign from what he wants from his heart, but he has to have the balls to do it himself, without being attached to his useless crappy party. We all might be surprised how innovative and progressive he might be, and I for one would have a hell of a lot of respect for him if he did split away.

[Greer]

Extremely Good! God has answered! ........................

............no I'm pretty sure it was FIFA....

[BigSkip]

I wonder if the sugar is still as sweet off the fingers that were in the sugar bowl this time........

[BigSkip]

All is far from lost,it would make a great cock fighting venue.

How about a giant illegal Casino?

How About A Legal One Instead?!?!?!?!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheGhostWithin]

It really is astonishing when something goes wrong in Thailand, how it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for people to admit, "yup, we screwed up, I resign, sorry."

For those of us in serious long term relationships, or marriages with Thai ladies, we also know well about the above. Even when I can prove to my lady that she is wrong, it is my fault for highlighting the error And if we argue, she smiles, and she says she smiles because if she smiles, nobody else will know that we are arguing. This outlines the entire current approach of Thai society to difficult situations, when they go wrong - blame someone else to save your face, preferably the person furthest away from the real error as possible.

[2unique]

I am sure there will be hoards of people on here that will come out with the usual critisisms of of Thailand, but I actually think it is quite sad it won't be used. I have seen this place go up week after week, it's a quite impressive looking arena, and a huge effort has been made. It's a shame it has all been in vain.

Not in vain, they can use this to their advantage, and im sure some have . How to do build a bit better and wiser . How to keep deadlines. What Happened?, maybe our caste hierarchy has too many Chiefs on the Site. PS. How many is a Hoard?

A horde is 10,000 horsemen!

Or a hundred red shirts!

I think that's a herd...

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[Payboy]

Fifa drops bombshell on Arena

"Who cares" said the fat man as he took another sip of the champagne "the money is already in the bank".

Edited November 7, 2012 by Payboy

[mrtoad]

"Who cares" said the fat man as he took another sip of the champagne "the money is already in the bank".

And that is exactly why

[pgangell]

And they want the F1 in 2014??

[Songhua]

'See how good it looks! Oh, you wanna look inside and underneath it as well?'

[DocN]

It isn't about the people accepting change, because we all know by now that change is inevitable. Half the pooyais aren't as smart as they think they are, and only got the job through connections, and anyone below them on the food chain who knows better, isn't listened to. The reality that the emporer has no clothes (and by that I am not implying anything about the highest institution) but rather that the pooyai, knows all, sees all, and controls all.

It is the idea, that no one other than the most senior person in the room at that moment is the only one who knows what is going on. I have seen it 1000 times, where the pooyai, speaks, everyone listens dutifully, the pooyai leaves and everyone slinks off shaking their shoulders because the decision is at best half right, and the opinions of those who may know more aren't canvassed. People of position in Thailand tend not to manage but dictate. Put it into the context of a BMA managed project to build a large facility like this to a timetable, and you really have to ask who actually hoped it would get done on time? They can barely manage to get potholes fixed regularly.

This starts in school with the essential brainwashing that a teacher is completely above criticism, and pervades itself into every single interaction that a Thai has every minute of every day with his fellow Thai.

Project management of any great size is a specialist job, and this has all the hallmarks of a bunch of people trying to manage something above their pay grade. I mean honest, "we couldn't get the floor imported in time because of customs." They can't even come up with a decent excuse, as though wooden flooring is some kind of nuclear isotope, and government office can't get crap done with customs.

Some direct insights and I agree with every word except for the first sentence. Do the pooyais know that change is inevitable? By your own account, not so. Does the Thai Nation in general know? I think not. I think the Thai nation is now being forced in increasingly more ways to mesh with the world outside and - for all the reasons you have outlined and more - is not able to either compete or concur.

R

Day by day it changes, subtly, and slowly. The media, the internet, travel, reading learning, education all help to open peoples eyes just a bit every day.

35 year old city living people in Thailand today are massively different to 35 year old city living people 30 years ago. Their eyes are much wider open than their parents.

This is why the pooyai misses the point all the time trying to limit the internet, continue to push crap indoctrinated tv, give terrible uninquisitive news coverage.

But, they are fighting a losing battle. People that I know well are openly jaundiced about authority and corruption. Not on a democrat versus ptp line though, rather that realising the whole system is bent.

As an anecdote, last weekend we were at a soccer competition with my kids, and al local PTP tessaban bloke came along with his entourage in tow, handing out leaflets. As he simpered up to everyone, waiing respectfully, someone muttered words to the effect, "When he gets voted in, his hands will be chock full of money, he won't be able to wai,"

Times change

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you.

I am working and talking to many "younger generation" Thais.

Whenever they get cornered in their own illogical arguments, they fall back on displaying the mindset of 12 year old...and cty, at worst! And they can not hold an insult apart from a critical remark and end up, telling you that they are proud to be Thai and if you don't like it...go home!

There is no learning, no developing and no rebellion.

It is the same old song, played on and on....

I think you can draw a nice big line between those that have and are able to travel outside Thailand and those who have not. Criticism is not taken well by the later, as this place is likely all they will ever know.

Unfortunately no.

Most I talk to have been abroad, even longer times.

In the end, it all boils down Thailand, being the best and greatest.

In almost every case!

The ones that can travel are at least able to have a decent conversation...before the usual ending!

[DocN]

The other paper is reporting that BMA wants to sue FIFA for damaging the BMA's image!

Well.....

[FOODLOVER]

The other paper is reporting that BMA wants to sue FIFA for damaging the BMA's image!

Well.....

That should bring'em back.

[Soupdragon]

The other paper is reporting that BMA wants to sue FIFA for damaging the BMA's image!

Well.....

That should bring'em back.

What more proof positive could you ask for

The BMA had submitted a copy of a safety verification certificate issued by the Engineering Institute of Thailand as proof to Fifa that the facility met safety standards, he said.

A single certificate to cover the whole facility. You couldn't make this up, oh wait a minute......

Edited November 8, 2012 by Soupdragon

[Thai at Heart]

The other paper is reporting that BMA wants to sue FIFA for damaging the BMA's image!

Well.....

That should bring'em back.

What more proof positive could you ask for

The BMA had submitted a copy of a safety verification certificate issued by the Engineering Institute of Thailand as proof to Fifa that the facility met safety standards, he said.

A single certificate to cover the whole facility. You couldn't make this up, oh wait a minute......

It's either dated 2 months ago or for tomorrow. Lol

[Bagwan]

I am sure there will be hoards of people on here that will come out with the usual critisisms of of Thailand, but I actually think it is quite sad it won't be used. I have seen this place go up week after week, it's a quite impressive looking arena, and a huge effort has been made. It's a shame it has all been in vain.

Not in vain, they can use this to their advantage, and im sure some have . How to do build a bit better and wiser . How to keep deadlines. What Happened?, maybe our caste hierarchy has too many Chiefs on the Site. PS. How many is a Hoard?

A horde is 10,000 horsemen!

Oh, I see. It is the collective noun for jockeys, three day event competitors, show jumpers and mounted policemen. Now can you add to the collective fund of knowledge of those who come here and give a definition ot the word 'whored'?

[frankold]

Unfortunately no.

Most I talk to have been abroad, even longer times.

In the end, it all boils down Thailand, being the best and greatest.

In almost every case!

The ones that can travel are at least able to have a decent conversation...before the usual ending!

Assuming your German, who I usually get on with btw.

If every Brit or Yank you met insisted on telling you what a whooping we gave you in Ww 1 & 2 and how we still have a military presence in you country would you appreciate that?

It sounds to me that you usually get into this conversation with most Thais you meet.

Educated and traveled guys and girls from the younger generation know what the crack is, they just don't like their noses rubbing in it.

Edited November 8, 2012 by frankold

[teatree]

How common is it for stadia to be rejected in events like these?

Has FIFA or the Olympic Commitee done this before?

[Tawng]

Considering that they couldn't completely fill a smaller, more accessible arena for Thailand's big game last night, perhaps it's a good thing that the Bangkok Arena won't be used. Even giving away tickets and providing free transport it would probably have been embarassingly empty.

[DocN]

Unfortunately no.

Most I talk to have been abroad, even longer times.

In the end, it all boils down Thailand, being the best and greatest.

In almost every case!

The ones that can travel are at least able to have a decent conversation...before the usual ending!

Assuming your German, who I usually get on with btw.

If every Brit or Yank you met insisted on telling you what a whooping we gave you in Ww 1 & 2 and how we still have a military presence in you country would you appreciate that?

It sounds to me that you usually get into this conversation with most Thais you meet.

Educated and traveled guys and girls from the younger generation know what the crack is, they just don't like their noses rubbing in it.

a) yep...I am German

b ) if every Brit or Yank did that, I would agree with most, but give back to some...but I NEVER start to cry and tell them "I am proud to be German and I hate you and if you don't like it...go home!" That is just rubbish!

c) not a patriot AT ALL! I couldn't care less! I am lucky to be born there and not in...Dafour...but that is it!

d) Not rubbing anything in. I usually don't even start a discussion, because after 5 years in Thailand, I just KNOW, it makes no sense! But if you start to tell me, how clean Bangkok is...ahm...no...it very well isn't!

I think, for the young generation it is still a long way to go. Even when you are sent to study abroad, you come back and your parents like to bragg others with your degree you got in ...wherever. But if you try to attach some of the things you may have learned (discussing problem solutions, asking questions...), I guess your parents or your community will step in and go "Hey, hey, hey...young man! Jai yen yen! Grandpa says it is different here in Thailand, so please...it is different here!" And even if you go abroad: 20 years of brainwashing and telling you how great Thailand is and how much it better in any way, compared to everyone else...that just doesn't go away, by being an exchange student for a year in Rotterdam.

I wish them best of luck though!

[hullupullo]

Arrange for the players to take a holiday (as FUTSAL is not played professionally anywhere, all players are amateurs, with regular jobs),

This one You got wrong, everything else I agree

[DocN]

Arrange for the players to take a holiday (as FUTSAL is not played professionally anywhere, all players are amateurs, with regular jobs),

This one You got wrong, everything else I agree

There are players who do FUTSAL as their main source of income?

If so, I really wasn't aware.

[nurgut73]

...such a huge blow to the country's reputation...??????????

If it could always be just a stupid Futsal Arena please...

[jbrain]

If you speak about getting egg on your face, this is a prime example.

Now taken this in consideration, I don't think there are enough hen's in Thailand to produce the eggs they gonne get if they dedide to through with the F1 race.

[americaninbangkok]

Suphachai was asked whether being unable to host the Futsal World Cup meant the Arena had failed to meet the purpose for which it was built. He declined to answer the question.

Ummm... who paid for the stadium? Private venture or taxpayer money? If the latter, I think Suphachai better come up with an answer... and quickly!

Edited for spelling.

Edited November 8, 2012 by americaninbangkok

[Jayroo]

What a farce. If you don't have time to do it right the first time, how can you then find the time to go back and fix it? The halving of number of days for construction, obviously was a major concern, and by cutting corners to meet the deadline, things FIFA deemed essential were overlooked by BMA but not by FIFA. At any rate, now they 'should' take their time, do it 100% then re-approach FIFA and seek approval for next season. All is not lost but in the eyes of the world, Thailand yet again, is screwing things up.

"next season"? <deleted> are you talking about? don't you know how World Cups work? there is not such thing as seasons, and the next one will most definitely not be hosted in Thailand.

So it's nothing like The World Series then? That domestic competition of rounders, which is held every year with only American teams competing??

R

haha no where near that "world series" lol