Richard-BKK Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Talent, ambition, sporting appeal. Here is the new 2013 Benelli 600cc: Benelli TNT 600, the long awaited four-cylinder bike of the Pesaro-Italian firm arrives to Thailand with the aim to satisfy the wishes of the most demanding riders who also pay attention to price (269,000 THB). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramds Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. What you get a 4cylinder engine and upside down forks on an Er6??????????? sent from my Q6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsandBooze Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/11/benelli-goes-chinese/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 So am I correct in thinking a Chinese company bought bennili which was originally Italian built,so now these bikes are built in china but still promote the Italian name but in real life terms they are completely different bikes built andassembled with different parts and in a different country I.e china 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaicbr Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yep.. why do you think Richard is advertising the brand.... sent from my Q6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsandBooze Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. You certainly get more than the twig pulling 38lbs of torque at 10500 rpm of the QianJiang Benelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post taninthai Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Thanks I get it now so you also get the reliabilty problems,the built with cheap parts problems,the no dealer network problems and no after Market parts problems. It just sounds downright dangerous to me to let Chinese build a 600cc machine al though the bike looks ok I would be waiting a couple of years first to see if they sink or swim jmo of coarse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Who know when available in showroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. While many like the ER6 because it is made here and thus affordable the engine has the charisma of a Kubota water pump. Sure it is reliable and everything and will "pump water " all day long. So whatever you get for whatever price is it more desirable than a Benelli? This being said I do not believe that Benelli Italy ever made a 600. So the question is, What engine is it? An old R6 copy? The TNT 1100 is one of the prettiest bikes, so can a Chinese one carry it off. Do the Chinese, as a nation, have the same charismatic style as the Italians? Does a Benelli or even a Ducati still have charisma if it is made in China? Will the exhaust system be something worked on by Italians as if it is a musical instrument or will the Chinese simply weld some tubing together? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. While many like the ER6 because it is made here and thus affordable the engine has the charisma of a Kubota water pump. Sure it is reliable and everything and will "pump water " all day long. So whatever you get for whatever price is it more desirable than a Benelli? This being said I do not believe that Benelli Italy ever made a 600. So the question is, What engine is it? An old R6 copy? The TNT 1100 is one of the prettiest bikes, so can a Chinese one carry it off. Do the Chinese, as a nation, have the same charismatic style as the Italians? Does a Benelli or even a Ducati still have charisma if it is made in China? Will the exhaust system be something worked on by Italians as if it is a musical instrument or will the Chinese simply weld some tubing together? Go to the motor show and have a look.. I thought it looked OK. But admittedly I didn't spend a lot if time looking. As it is not the style of bike that I want. sent from my Q6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyway it's Aprilia frame with Yamaha engine !! So nothing made in China in this bike !!! Still Nippon- Italian product Since yesterday the only 4line you can drive was 20 years old cb400 This Benelli have good quality/price ratio And also I am Italian who live in Thailand so I match with Italian - Asian bike!!!! 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You get all that and more at a lower price with an ER6. This being said I do not believe that Benelli Italy ever made a 600. So the question is, What engine is it? An old R6 copy? Benelli, although not the best Italian brand in the 60-80 Benelli had a nice 650: and IMHO an ugly 750 six cylinders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Go to the motor show and have a look You are joking? Right. All that way out of town, no public transport, crap parking, blocked expressway on Saturday! Next we will be playing Futsal in Minburi! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hili Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 ppl get excited when they here OOHHH Benelli. In the end this is the same thing happened with many once famous brand names. Chinese buying the name and using it for their products outside its a Benelli but inside its a chinese.... dont want to judge chinese quaility in genreal but i woudlnt trust it. Problem is these are real Chinese companies, not under western management which products still fine even though coming from china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hili Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Go to the motor show and have a look You are joking? Right. All that way out of town, no public transport, crap parking, blocked expressway on Saturday! Next we will be playing Futsal in Minburi! lol i thought the same never made it there but the trip there seem adventurous. Another thai genius MegaProject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyway it's Aprilia frame with Yamaha engine !!So nothing made in China in this bike !!! Still Nippon- Italian product Since yesterday the only 4line you can drive was 20 years old cb400 This Benelli have good quality/price ratio And also I am Italian who live in Thailand so I match with Italian - Asian bike!!!! 555 God I hope you're being sarcastic. They are just copies of the frame and engine. At best made under license. sent from my Q6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob7 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyway it's Aprilia frame with Yamaha engine !! So nothing made in China in this bike !!! Still Nippon- Italian product Since yesterday the only 4line you can drive was 20 years old cb400 This Benelli have good quality/price ratio And also I am Italian who live in Thailand so I match with Italian - Asian bike!!!! 555 The engine is from Qianjing/Keeway, isn't it? Where do you get your information, it's from Yamaha? The design is 'cloned ' from the Shiver, the engine manufactured in China. Maybe a clone from the Yamaha XJS, but 'from Yamaha'? Your source, please. It's looking good, like other Keeways, too. But the service......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Richard reminds me of the thai people... Always trying to sell you shit you don't really want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Richard reminds me of the thai people... Always trying to sell you shit you don't really want. Maybe a bit strong. Someone will sell them if Richard doesn't. He has always been fair with me> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob7 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Richard reminds me of the thai people... Always trying to sell you shit you don't really want. But, you know, that is only, because 'you' are using the wrong language, to express yourself: Use Arabic, Indian and Thai, instead. And make it a 'maybe', for the last one Edited November 30, 2012 by noob7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dutchbike Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Let's give this bike a change, before burning it down as Chinese crap. When Benelli started (in the 70's/80's) with 500 4 inlines they where a sort of copy of Honda's 4 inlines. back then they were not top quality bikes but still not really bad. I kinda like the old Benelli's: the 750 sei and later 900 sei,collectors bikes right know. It's an endless discusion those Chines bikes, but with the proper "Western" know how i'm pretty sure in a few years there will be good quality Chinese produced bikes. But when that time comes price levels will be higher. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob7 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) {b}Let's give this bike a change, before burning it down as Chinese crap.[/b] When Benelli started (in the 70's/80's) with 500 4 inlines they where a sort of copy of Honda's 4 inlines. back then they were not top quality bikes but still not really bad. I kinda like the old Benelli's: the 750 sei and later 900 sei,collectors bikes right know. It's an endless discusion those Chines bikes, but with the proper "Western" know how i'm pretty sure in a few years there will be good quality Chinese produced bikes. But when that time comes price levels will be higher. It's not the bike, I'm worried about. It's every single part. And much more, the service behind! Check out, what people write about Keeway motos in your country. And what to expect in these 'work has no value' areas. Also think about :The triple Cylinder Benellis still are manufactured in Italy. This is a total new product line in china. I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a very nice looking bike, but I'll give other people a chance, before I even consider, to test drive one. And btw.: I would love to buy a new 4 Cylinder 600cc for a reasonable price, in Thailand. But not at any cost! Edited November 30, 2012 by noob7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BirdsandBooze Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Richard reminds me of the thai people... Always trying to sell you shit you don't really want. I don't know why they let him get away with it on here, his interest is blatantly financial. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsandBooze Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyway it's Aprilia frame with Yamaha engine !! So nothing made in China in this bike !!! Still Nippon- Italian product Since yesterday the only 4line you can drive was 20 years old cb400 This Benelli have good quality/price ratio And also I am Italian who live in Thailand so I match with Italian - Asian bike!!!! 555 The components are Chinese made copies. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArNaSu Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Just out of interest I saw a second hand Benelli for sale in a shop in Pattaya a few weeks ago. Not sure what it was, streetfighter style around 1000cc by the looks of it, looked pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pier Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyway it's Aprilia frame with Yamaha engine !! So nothing made in China in this bike !!! Still Nippon- Italian product Since yesterday the only 4line you can drive was 20 years old cb400 This Benelli have good quality/price ratio And also I am Italian who live in Thailand so I match with Italian - Asian bike!!!! 555 The components are Chinese made copies. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. This is the new Benelli BN600. It’s also the Keeway RK600. Designed and manufactured in China, for its domestic market, by the QianJiang Group. Once the proud maker of unreliable Italian motorcycles, Benelli is now just an exercise in selling rebranded Chinese bikes in Europe. It’s not that the RK600 is a bad bike. Well, it’s not a terribly good one either, but there’s not much wrong with ripping off the motor from a pre-2005 R6 then sticking it in a Steel Trellis/Cast Aluminum pivot plate frame ripped off from an Aprilia Shiver 750. 80bhp and 485lbs is a recipe for a worthy naked commuter, if a relatively uninspiring one. Housing all that in plastic that’s simultaneously hideous and bland doesn’t do it any favors. If you lived in Rome and your local megadealer was knocking out Keeways for 4,000 Euro, you wouldn’t be too mad at it. But, if you live in Pesaro, you’re going to be livid that this crappy bike is wearing a Benelli badge. There’s also a shitty 250 dubbed the “Uno.” Its roots are a little more transparent simply because it’s blatantly a piece of. And that’s the crux of the mistake being made here. The Benelli name doesn’t mean much these days to many people. Already bastardized by years of crappy scooters, very few people would shout “Benelli” if you said “exciting motorcycles” in a game of word association, but to those who would, this whole re-badged Keeway thing is going to be akin to heresy. So no real value in one hand, extreme negativity in the other? Exactly what does QianJiang stand to gain here? To our minds, it’d be a stronger play to invest the time and effort into building Keeway (or some other brand) up as a maker of high-value bikes than it will be tearing Benelli down. It’s troubling too that the Chinese origin of these bikes is essentially being hidden. Nowhere in the press materials is QianJiang, Keeway or China mentioned. In this age of the Internet, why do companies still think they can hide things from consumers? If the Chinese connection was embraced, at least QianJiang would be leading the conversation around its bikes rather than hiding from it. This just isn’t going to work. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Extract from hellforleather they said 2005 R6 engine and "ripped" frame from Aprilia this is the souce!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Just out of interest I saw a second hand Benelli for sale in a shop in Pattaya a few weeks ago. Not sure what it was, streetfighter style around 1000cc by the looks of it, looked pretty nice. Wow. It's only been for sale 1day and someone is reselling already :lol: sent from my Q6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I don't know why they let him get away with it on here, his interest is blatantly financial. Because no one else posted about the bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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