Red-Shirt Co-Leader Arisman Gets Jail Sentence For Defaming Abhisit

[whybother]

Bail? Isn't this the same guy that was on the run for a few years?

Yeah, but he hasn't run away for a good 6 months. Surely that's proof that he won't flee again.

[OzMick]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

[Moruya]

Bail? Isn't this the same guy that was on the run for a few years?

Yes. The same fugitive from justice.

Maybe Hugo6 or Zooheekock will sponsor his food bill in Hotel Laksi they feel so much sympathy

[Hugo6]

one year for telling the truth. TIT

Yes you are obviously allowed to post things you know to be false here on Thai Visa.

If you weren't some people would have nothing to say.

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

[Moruya]

one year for telling the truth. TIT

Yes you are obviously allowed to post things you know to be false here on Thai Visa.

If you weren't some people would have nothing to say.

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

How was it "robbed"?

Did Abhisit creep up in the middle of the night with the stealth of a cat burglar and flee with it?

"Not provable"? What do you think happened? He told the army to go off and shoot the red shirts but they couldn't have that in writing? The army say "OK boss" and off it goes?

[moe666]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

Its also used as an economic tool, complain about the owner of your condo not doing repairs he files a defamation suit aganist you.

[chooka]

Red-shirt co-leader Arisman Pongruanrong was sentenced to one year in prison yesterday

Arisman was granted bail later in the afternoon

You have 28 day to lodge an appeal and it can be done on the day (given circumstances) and if he was already on bail then that bail can be extended. Same in most countries.

[chooka]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

Its also used as an economic tool, complain about the owner of your condo not doing repairs he files a defamation suit aganist you.

Agree in Thailand you have to be very carefull about speaking out against someone in Thailand.

[chooka]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

In Australia there would be no government if this rule appled there. Has anyone watched question time in Australian politics. Geez the whole bloody lot would be in prison.

[AleG]

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

Can you show us the evidence of Abhisit ordering the killing of protesters in 2009? Would that be Jatuporn's doctored tape by any chance?

[OzMick]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

In Australia there would be no government if this rule appled there. Has anyone watched question time in Australian politics. Geez the whole bloody lot would be in prison.

Look up "parliamentary privilege". Defamation laws cannot be applied to MPs in parliament, and I believe there is also an exception for those giving evidence in a trial.

[chooka]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

In Australia there would be no government if this rule appled there. Has anyone watched question time in Australian politics. Geez the whole bloody lot would be in prison.

Look up "parliamentary privilege". Defamation laws cannot be applied to MPs in parliament, and I believe there is also an exception for those giving evidence in a trial.

yes I understand that. just a little aussie sattire

[Pimay1]

I see nothing wrong with the concept of criminal defamation. In this country it is used as a political tool; accusations are made knowing that ill-informed listeners will believe what they are told, and that any ensuing prosecution will be years away and then can be described as "politically motivated," which in some simple minds absolves the crime.

In Australia there would be no government if this rule appled there. Has anyone watched question time in Australian politics. Geez the whole bloody lot would be in prison.

Look up "parliamentary privilege". Defamation laws cannot be applied to MPs in parliament, and I believe there is also an exception for those giving evidence in a trial.

yes I understand that. just a little aussie sattire

unfortunately the same applies to the crooks running the US government.

[Jawnie]

I don't know why they don't change it to

"sentenced to an appeal".

How about, "Sentenced to a sentence?"

[chooka]

He certainly does not care much about 200k... The rice thing brings him so much more!

you might be right.

[whybother]

one year for telling the truth. TIT

Yes you are obviously allowed to post things you know to be false here on Thai Visa.

If you weren't some people would have nothing to say.

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

Does that mean that a majority of the MPs were complicit to this robbery? They are the ones that elected him.

[Pimay1]

one year for telling the truth. TIT

Yes you are obviously allowed to post things you know to be false here on Thai Visa.

If you weren't some people would have nothing to say.

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

Does that mean that a majority of the MPs were complicit to this robbery? They are the ones that elected him.

Go slow whybother. We don't want the boy to have a brain overload. Edited December 4, 2012 by Pimay1

[khunken]

I agree with those who stated that the defamation law should be de-criminalised. It's a pity that the government (not just this one) can't see the way to amend this law & the Lese Majeste law too.

But that would benefit ordinary citizens so it's not a priority.

[Hugo6]

Yes you are obviously allowed to post things you know to be false here on Thai Visa.

If you weren't some people would have nothing to say.

saying Abhisit had robbed political power and ordered the killings of red-shirt protesters in 2009.

the first part is true the second probably not provable.

Does that mean that a majority of the MPs were complicit to this robbery? They are the ones that elected him.

Go slow whybother. We don't want the boy to have a brain overload.

har har har

at least for me it would be a possibility

[h90]

I agree with those who stated that the defamation law should be de-criminalised. It's a pity that the government (not just this one) can't see the way to amend this law & the Lese Majeste law too.

But that would benefit ordinary citizens so it's not a priority.

If this government amend the Lese Majeste law it will be criticized to be against the monarchy.....But they (or actually the red shirts) spoke a couple of times about amending this law.

But there is no reason that they shouldn't amend the defamation law.....beside that Thaksin (and PTP) have a 500 law suits against the Sondhi running.

(and of course the previous government didn't do anything as well)

[tragickingdom]

Of course Arisman got sentenced, after all it is not done to tell the truth. Look at the Youtube movies and the fact that all those corrupt judges are still not moving and we know that Mark Abhisit will need to feel the rule of the ICC. Mark Abhisit is by the way subjected to the ICC as he is still a Briton.

[marshbags]

I agree with those who stated that the defamation law should be de-criminalised. It's a pity that the government (not just this one) can't see the way to amend this law & the Lese Majeste law too.

But that would benefit ordinary citizens so it's not a priority.

Exactly kk.

As with all so called law the elite and priviliged are quite happy with it,s application / enforcement, knowing full well they will never have to serve out any jail time or meaningful punishments.

Arisman Pongruanrong should have been encarcerated long ago on an aray of offences lesser considered Thai would have certainly been banged up for / are, as for getting bail, sadly there is no a chance of meeting the requirements and conditions, nor the privilidged status and support a certain band of lawbreakers are given.

Teflon coated reds are, based on the inability to keep them in jail even in the most serious of cases, can always count on the support of the unprincipled government they voted into power to bail them out and consequently elite only privilige does not apply in their case.

Politically or otherwise for the benefit of those who use them to justify their horrendous crimes, it does not provide nor legitimise most of what they did and had been sentenced for / are awaiting trial for, not in any way.

As for the automatic immunuity for *MP's ect. it,s time they automatically lost this once convicted on sound evidence and found guilty as charged.

* All elected officials in parliament

marshbags

Edited December 4, 2012 by marshbags

[whybother]

Of course Arisman got sentenced, after all it is not done to tell the truth. Look at the Youtube movies and the fact that all those corrupt judges are still not moving and we know that Mark Abhisit will need to feel the rule of the ICC. Mark Abhisit is by the way subjected to the ICC as he is still a Briton.

Youtube movies of what? Got any links to them?

What do "corrupt judges" have to do with this case? Are you suggesting that Abhisit bribed them to sentence Arisman?

Besides that, Abhisit will never see the inside of an ICC court room.

[ratcatcher]

Of course Arisman got sentenced, after all it is not done to tell the truth. Look at the Youtube movies and the fact that all those corrupt judges are still not moving and we know that Mark Abhisit will need to feel the rule of the ICC. Mark Abhisit is by the way subjected to the ICC as he is still a Briton.

Glad you cleared up that last point about Mr Abhisit being a Briton, although as you really know, he is a Thai who happens to have been born in the U.K. and thus is entitled to a U.K. passport. Indeed Mr Thaksin with multiple passports, including Montenegro may also be subjected to scrutiny of the ICC boys at the Hague.

[timewilltell]

From the absurd to the ridiculous - Thailand the circus of Asia

[Payboy]

From the absurd to the ridiculous - Thailand the circus of Asia

A single clown doesn't a circus make.

[MAJIC]

Well it looks like another day off for the TV Red Shirt Supporters Club!

[MAJIC]

Of course Arisman got sentenced, after all it is not done to tell the truth. Look at the Youtube movies and the fact that all those corrupt judges are still not moving and we know that Mark Abhisit will need to feel the rule of the ICC. Mark Abhisit is by the way subjected to the ICC as he is still a Briton.

You miss the whole point of the sentence against Arisman. Abhisit proved in Court that Arisman Defamed him by lies against him.

While Arisman had to accept that he lied against Abhisit,that's what the Court proved,end of story. No conspiracy theories necessary.

[khunken]

Of course Arisman got sentenced, after all it is not done to tell the truth. Look at the Youtube movies and the fact that all those corrupt judges are still not moving and we know that Mark Abhisit will need to feel the rule of the ICC. Mark Abhisit is by the way subjected to the ICC as he is still a Briton.

You miss the whole point of the sentence against Arisman. Abhisit proved in Court that Arisman Defamed him by lies against him.

While Arisman had to accept that he lied against Abhisit,that's what the Court proved,end of story. No conspiracy theories necessary.

While I don't agree with Tragickingdom's usual wacky post, you're missing the point too. Defamation here has nothing to do with truth or lies. It is based on making a statement which affects the 'victim's' character (sort of like losing face). What's totally wrong is Thai law makes defamation a criminal offence which it shouldn't be.

Arisman has committed far worse crimes than defaming Abhisit. Far too many defamation cases just clog up the courts which have a huge backlog.

[EarthAlien]

A bit of a hollow victory for Abhisit apart from the fact that he at least defended his honor and name.

The sentence really doesn't even constitute a slap on the hand when bail is instantly granted and not a day of the sentence served nor likely will it ever be.

When the courts start sticking the boot in and causing a bit of pain then maybe the laws will be respected a bit more. Until then they get flaunted as that's about all they are deserving of. A complete joke!