Fears Of Violence Over Charter

[AleG]

Protesters and demonstrators by definition need to "act out" to get attention. Placidity gets them nowhere. Abhisit needed to dissolve Parliament presaging elections, the aim of the whole exercise.

Elections were the issue. Not Abhisit. He was a focus only insofar as he could facilitate them.

I commend you, it must be hard work trudging against facts in the quest to rewrite history.

[Thai at Heart]

are the institutions incapable of solving this issue without Violence?

that alone means there is a need for a new constitution.

The biggest problem, is that one side of the political divide is unable to win elections.

If they could 'contemplate their navel' and re-position themselves with new leaders, it would be better for everyone. Competitive elections winnable by either side would eliminate the need for protests and seeking Governing power via the judicial system. Their responsiveness to societal needs would also improve in order to be electable.

And there definitely is a need for a revised constitution as follows:

The present constitution does not support political parties but undermines them.

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

Moreover, the constitution is undemocratic as it resulted from the 2006 military coup.

The charter creates divisions among the public, which necessitates drawing up a new and a more democratic constitution.

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

the dems can always get the cash if they want to. problem is they get lost if they go North of rangsit.

[Roadman]

are the institutions incapable of solving this issue without Violence?

that alone means there is a need for a new constitution.

The biggest problem, is that one side of the political divide is unable to win elections.

If they could 'contemplate their navel' and re-position themselves with new leaders, it would be better for everyone. Competitive elections winnable by either side would eliminate the need for protests and seeking Governing power via the judicial system. Their responsiveness to societal needs would also improve in order to be electable.

And there definitely is a need for a revised constitution as follows:

The present constitution does not support political parties but undermines them.

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

Moreover, the constitution is undemocratic as it resulted from the 2006 military coup.

The charter creates divisions among the public, which necessitates drawing up a new and a more democratic constitution.

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

the dems can always get the cash if they want to. problem is they get lost if they go North of rangsit.

"lost" or assaulted?

[15Peter20]

are the institutions incapable of solving this issue without Violence?

that alone means there is a need for a new constitution.

The biggest problem, is that one side of the political divide is unable to win elections.

If they could 'contemplate their navel' and re-position themselves with new leaders, it would be better for everyone. Competitive elections winnable by either side would eliminate the need for protests and seeking Governing power via the judicial system. Their responsiveness to societal needs would also improve in order to be electable.

And there definitely is a need for a revised constitution as follows:

The present constitution does not support political parties but undermines them.

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

Moreover, the constitution is undemocratic as it resulted from the 2006 military coup.

The charter creates divisions among the public, which necessitates drawing up a new and a more democratic constitution.

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

Have the Democrats ever made a complaint or launched an investigation into vote buying during the election? One would think if they lost the election because if it, they might at least have brought it to people's attention. So far, you've done a better job of informing the world than they have.

[FarangTalk]

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

The Democrats have been unelectable since the last Chuan Leekpai administration that collapsed due to Suthep and corruption.

Their 'Bitter Medicine' policy after the economic crisis in the late 90's ensured they would not be a viable alternative to any populist political party.

The only saving grace for them has been their necessity for them to mimic Thaksin's populist policies to stay in the game.

It's not about money, the Democrats have plenty of that and many of the richest of Thai society among their supporters.

[siampolee]

The whole focus of the charter re-write is undeniably focused on one person and the sating of that persons desire to resume wholesale looting of the state coffers, the plundering of the country's resources for personal gain the desire to establish a dynastic family tree and a malicious spiteful desire for revenge at any price.

There will be a backlash to this desire to rehash the constitution to favour one person, his family and of course their brown nosing acolytes. Many grass roots supporters are indeed disillusioned with the current maladministration and its empty promise, indeed a privileged few have gained from those promises, however the greater majority of folk have lost out.

The blatant attempts to stifle any form of opposition and the blatant attempts to manipulate the laws so as to negate the current and future opposition by any means possible is indeed shameful in a country that claims it is a democracy.

Sadly that democracy is not recognized by the current maladministration as their determined efforts to dismantle what little passes for democracy plainly shows.

Thailand has become a successful hub as so often and earnestly desired by those in power.Sadly the title of that hub is the Hub of Corruption as the current list of scams schemes plainly shows the world

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[whybother]

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

The Democrats have been unelectable since the last Chuan Leekpai administration that collapsed due to Suthep and corruption.

Their 'Bitter Medicine' policy after the economic crisis in the late 90's ensured they would not be a viable alternative to any populist political party.

The only saving grace for them has been their necessity for them to mimic Thaksin's populist policies to stay in the game.

It's not about money, the Democrats have plenty of that and many of the richest of Thai society among their supporters.

The Democrats have been unelected since Thaksin bought some of the smaller regional parties under his control. But that cost him in 2008 when one of the regional factions decided they didn't want to support him any more.

[Thai at Heart]

The biggest problem is that one side does not has the money to win the election.....PTP won with massive vote buying. If the Democrats would have put in the same amount they would have done way better.

The Democrats have been unelectable since the last Chuan Leekpai administration that collapsed due to Suthep and corruption.

Their 'Bitter Medicine' policy after the economic crisis in the late 90's ensured they would not be a viable alternative to any populist political party.

The only saving grace for them has been their necessity for them to mimic Thaksin's populist policies to stay in the game.

It's not about money, the Democrats have plenty of that and many of the richest of Thai society among their supporters.

The Democrats have been unelected since Thaksin bought some of the smaller regional parties under his control. But that cost him in 2008 when one of the regional factions decided they didn't want to support him any more.

oh yeah, and those regional parties switched for completely altruistic reasons.

Newin wanted to save the country. lololol, ooh, my aching ribs

[MaxLee]

The Pheu Thai just wants to write a charter that serves their benefits,... THEIR benefits, never to the people

[whybother]

oh yeah, and those regional parties switched for completely altruistic reasons.

Newin wanted to save the country. lololol, ooh, my aching ribs

I didn't say that. They weren't supporting Thaksin for altruistic reasons either.

[FarangTalk]

oh yeah, and those regional parties switched for completely altruistic reasons.

Newin wanted to save the country. lololol, ooh, my aching ribs

Indeed.

Edited December 10, 2012 by FarangTalk