1St 1000Km Service. Oil Change Not Required!

[thaicbr]

Hi guys just in getting the 1000km service on my Mitsubishi Mirage. They tell me oil and filter change is optional not part of 1000km service. If I want I have to pay 1200b for the oil/filter. Is this right. I thought the 1st oil change was important or is it as they say 'modern engine' not need.

Your thoughts.

sent from my Q6

[thaicbr]

Can anyone confirm that this is correct. I always thought that it was part of the 1000km service to change oil/filter. Is it same for Mitsubishi Mirage. Any one else had this at 1st service????

sent from my Q6

[anon210]

Can anyone confirm that this is correct. I always thought that it was part of the 1000km service to change oil/filter. Is it same for Mitsubishi Mirage. Any one else had this at 1st service????

sent from my Q6

No, actually, the Mistu dealers will tell you that the oil is made to withstand 10 K kms... I had it anyway changed at 5 K kms on my PJS. At my cost, obviously.

[maprao]

No need. Also the oil your engine has when it comes from the factory is the best oil it will see in its lifetime.

The old days of running engines in for the first 1000KM and oil change are no longer applicable.

As they say up to you. After the first couple of services. In my company car they change the oil every 10000Kms now as per service instructions. In my own cars I change the oil every 6 months or 3000 - 5000 Kms.

[transam]

I always do an oil and filter on a new or rebuilt engine at 1000km, no matter what l am told.

[thaicbr]

OK. I thought I was getting fleeced

sent from my Q6

[jbrain]

I remeber when I bought a new Nissan afew years ago that the first oil change occured at 10.000 Km.At 1000 Km there was only an inspection.

[prestburypark]

Same thing with our Mu 7, took it in at 5k at my insistence , they were happy to do a check up, but first service, oil and filter change is officially 10k. I got them to do it at my expense. I will always change oil and filter on diesel at 5k, minor expense for peace of mind and longevity of the engine.

[funcat]

The New Ranger has scheduled oil/filter change at 15K km/or after 9 months... and than every after 15K/9 months....but you can do it more often,if you feel like it ...

[transam]

Think the point l have been making, as some one who did build engines to last , the 1000km oil/filter change is important for peace of mind, Folk can do what they like but advice has been asked and given.

[Khutan]

I was told by a well respected mechanic here in Australia that changing the oil and the filter at 1000k removes the pieces of metal and other "Factory Rubbish" in the engine including the odd bits of casting sand from the block. Now that was about 20 years ago and I am sure technology has improved, however, I have always been happy to pay the extra for the new oil and filter.

[transam]

I was told by a well respected mechanic here in Australia that changing the oil and the filter at 1000k removes the pieces of metal and other "Factory Rubbish" in the engine including the odd bits of casting sand from the block. Now that was about 20 years ago and I am sure technology has improved, however, I have always been happy to pay the extra for the new oil and filter.

In a nut shell.

[culicine]

I thought I read somewhere that the initial oil in the engine has special additives - because it's a new engine. Is that true? Perhaps that's why it is suggested to change it at 1000 km.

[Lickey]

I know its a different ballgame but many Superbike Racers use Mineral oil to help bed in the piston rings quicker, and on raceday, change to fully synthetic for the extra slippiness,

Personally as others have said, have it changed, and filter,

Even tell them you want to take the old oil home, if it isnt too black, it will be ok for topping up old motorbikes or oiling door hinges ect, even a few drops in an ants nest, they will be gone,

A 10,000kilometer oil change might be good on todays santised engine builders, but yours could be the odd one out, peace of mind ect ect,,,,

[fredob43]

I know its a different ballgame but many Superbike Racers use Mineral oil to help bed in the piston rings quicker, and on raceday, change to fully synthetic for the extra slippiness,

Personally as others have said, have it changed, and filter,

Even tell them you want to take the old oil home, if it isnt too black, it will be ok for topping up old motorbikes or oiling door hinges ect, even a few drops in an ants nest, they will be gone,

A 10,000kilometer oil change might be good on todays santised engine builders, but yours could be the odd one out, peace of mind ect ect,,,,

According to Toyota (in service book) it's a 10,000km oil/filter change but they suggest if you do some fast driving or long run's at 100/120kph you should change the oil at 5,000km. I always change mine at 5,000 regardless as it only cost 1,500bt inc. Likewise I change the gear box/axels before their service date.

N/B I changed my oil filter at the first 1,000 service, as the price then was 1,000bt so why not.

[Pikey]

The New Ranger has scheduled oil/filter change at 15K km/or after 9 months... and than every after 15K/9 months....but you can do it more often,if you feel like it ...

Indeed! Got mine a few weeks back and thought I misunderstood both the dealer and my missus - they even put a sticker on the window to remind you. But, in line with other posters here, I will have the oil and filter changed at 1500km using an oil of my choice as I have "heard": that the dealerships buy cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes and charge you for premium oil. It's not something I'd worry about back in Farangland, but here I will hang around whilst they do the oil change to make sure my oil actually goes in....

Cheers,

Pikey.

[NanLaew]

Regards the recommended oil change timing for a new motor, RTFM. But it's your money so up to you.

Engines are built in clean room conditions compared with +20 years ago. The technology, materials and lubricants have also changed.

If I was buying new, I would follow the manufacturers recommendations; there's a warranty to protect you. If I was buying (a car with) a rebuilt engine, then the 'old rule' would apply as Somchai's Chop Shop isn't generally clean.

[Pikey]

Regards the recommended oil change timing for a new motor, RTFM. But it's your money so up to you.

Engines are built in clean room conditions compared with +20 years ago. The technology, materials and lubricants have also changed.

If I was buying new, I would follow the manufacturers recommendations; there's a warranty to protect you. If I was buying (a car with) a rebuilt engine, then the 'old rule' would apply as Somchai's Chop Shop isn't generally clean.

Understood and appreciate your point of view. My view is that I bought this truck as a keeper for probably 8 - 10 years, long after the warranty expires. With this in mind, and the fact that decent oil is relatively cheap here, in line with what I have always done with my vehicles, I'll change the oil at half the manufacturer's recommended intervals.

Incidentally, I just pulled the rocker cover from my 2007 Triumph Bonneville to do the valves and at 30,000 miles there was no visible wear to the cam lobes. That's the benefit of running quality oil and changing it regularly IMO.

Cheers,

Pikey.

[NanLaew]

.... I have "heard": that the dealerships buy cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes and charge you for premium oil. It's not something I'd worry about back in Farangland, but here I will hang around whilst they do the oil change to make sure my oil actually goes in....

I my experience with Toyota, Ford and Honda dealers in LOS over the years, the empty bottles from the lube change are usually in the boot or in the back of the truck. Same with old air filters and when they replaced a duff battery.You can ask for the old oil filter too but that's a bit messy. Now you could argue that they may still be decanting 'cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes' into the Castrol Magnetec bottles anyway but I really doubt it. The hole-in-the-wall car-wash cum service station may be dodgy but most dealerships service stations are accountable.

They don't hate us farangs, really.

[NanLaew]

Understood and appreciate your point of view. My view is that I bought this truck as a keeper for probably 8 - 10 years, long after the warranty expires. With this in mind, and the fact that decent oil is relatively cheap here, in line with what I have always done with my vehicles, I'll change the oil at half the manufacturer's recommended intervals.

Incidentally, I just pulled the rocker cover from my 2007 Triumph Bonneville to do the valves and at 30,000 miles there was no visible wear to the cam lobes. That's the benefit of running quality oil and changing it regularly IMO.

Cheers,

Pikey.

Good story with the Bonne... lovely bike. I agree that on higher rpm engines, more frequent lube changes are a good idea.

[Pikey]

.... I have "heard": that the dealerships buy cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes and charge you for premium oil. It's not something I'd worry about back in Farangland, but here I will hang around whilst they do the oil change to make sure my oil actually goes in....

I my experience with Toyota, Ford and Honda dealers in LOS over the years, the empty bottles from the lube change are usually in the boot or in the back of the truck. Same with old air filters and when they replaced a duff battery.You can ask for the old oil filter too but that's a bit messy. Now you could argue that they may still be decanting 'cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes' into the Castrol Magnetec bottles anyway but I really doubt it. The hole-in-the-wall car-wash cum service station may be dodgy but most dealerships service stations are accountable.

They don't hate us farangs, really.

Yes, come to think of it, you are right. My previous D-Max was always serviced at an Isuzu main dealer and although it was my wife that normally took it, I do recall things like old air filters and even an old shock absorber being given back after being changed. So, apologies and like you say, the main dealers are most likely straight but maybe it's some of the others you need to be careful with. Mind you, some of the smaller shops provide excellent service and great VFM so the best is probably not to believe rumours and heresay but judge only from personal or a trusted friend's experience.

Now, here's a can of worms to open: what oil would people suggest I use in my new Ranger bearing in mind that I will change it every 7,500km and plan to keep the truck for many years? I'm thinking a 20-50w CH rated mineral or semi-synthetic blend would do the trick.

Cheers,

Pikey.

[funcat]

.... I have "heard": that the dealerships buy cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes and charge you for premium oil. It's not something I'd worry about back in Farangland, but here I will hang around whilst they do the oil change to make sure my oil actually goes in....

I my experience with Toyota, Ford and Honda dealers in LOS over the years, the empty bottles from the lube change are usually in the boot or in the back of the truck. Same with old air filters and when they replaced a duff battery.You can ask for the old oil filter too but that's a bit messy. Now you could argue that they may still be decanting 'cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes' into the Castrol Magnetec bottles anyway but I really doubt it. The hole-in-the-wall car-wash cum service station may be dodgy but most dealerships service stations are accountable.

They don't hate us farangs, really.

Yes, come to think of it, you are right. My previous D-Max was always serviced at an Isuzu main dealer and although it was my wife that normally took it, I do recall things like old air filters and even an old shock absorber being given back after being changed. So, apologies and like you say, the main dealers are most likely straight but maybe it's some of the others you need to be careful with. Mind you, some of the smaller shops provide excellent service and great VFM so the best is probably not to believe rumours and heresay but judge only from personal or a trusted friend's experience.

Now, here's a can of worms to open: what oil would people suggest I use in my new Ranger bearing in mind that I will change it every 7,500km and plan to keep the truck for many years? I'm thinking a 20-50w CH rated mineral or semi-synthetic blend would do the trick.

Cheers,

Pikey.

I really don't think that you should do oil changes in the New(!) truck in any other places than the dealer...and should use their oil as well....unless you don't care about your engine warranty...

[Pikey]

.... I have "heard": that the dealerships buy cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes and charge you for premium oil. It's not something I'd worry about back in Farangland, but here I will hang around whilst they do the oil change to make sure my oil actually goes in....

I my experience with Toyota, Ford and Honda dealers in LOS over the years, the empty bottles from the lube change are usually in the boot or in the back of the truck. Same with old air filters and when they replaced a duff battery.You can ask for the old oil filter too but that's a bit messy. Now you could argue that they may still be decanting 'cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes' into the Castrol Magnetec bottles anyway but I really doubt it. The hole-in-the-wall car-wash cum service station may be dodgy but most dealerships service stations are accountable.

They don't hate us farangs, really.

Yes, come to think of it, you are right. My previous D-Max was always serviced at an Isuzu main dealer and although it was my wife that normally took it, I do recall things like old air filters and even an old shock absorber being given back after being changed. So, apologies and like you say, the main dealers are most likely straight but maybe it's some of the others you need to be careful with. Mind you, some of the smaller shops provide excellent service and great VFM so the best is probably not to believe rumours and heresay but judge only from personal or a trusted friend's experience.

Now, here's a can of worms to open: what oil would people suggest I use in my new Ranger bearing in mind that I will change it every 7,500km and plan to keep the truck for many years? I'm thinking a 20-50w CH rated mineral or semi-synthetic blend would do the trick.

Cheers,

Pikey.

I really don't think that you should do oil changes in the New(!) truck in any other places than the dealer...and should use their oil as well....unless you don't care about your engine warranty...

Err, no. I am fully aware of warranty conditions and am not planning on spannering on the truck myself!

From another thread here dedicated to the truck, it appears that Castrol Magnatec is Ford's oil of choice and that is fine by me as I have used their products for 30+ years in bikes (anyone else fondly remember going to classic races and the smell of Castrol R?)

Cheers,

Pikey.

[melvinmelvin]

I was told by a well respected mechanic here in Australia that changing the oil and the filter at 1000k removes the pieces of metal and other "Factory Rubbish" in the engine including the odd bits of casting sand from the block. Now that was about 20 years ago and I am sure technology has improved, however, I have always been happy to pay the extra for the new oil and filter.

The Aussie has a very good point, also valid today. One of the main tasks of the engine oil is to actually "wash" the engine

and carry crap away.

[NanLaew]

I my experience with Toyota, Ford and Honda dealers in LOS over the years, the empty bottles from the lube change are usually in the boot or in the back of the truck. Same with old air filters and when they replaced a duff battery.You can ask for the old oil filter too but that's a bit messy. Now you could argue that they may still be decanting 'cheap oil in bulk from PTT and the likes' into the Castrol Magnetec bottles anyway but I really doubt it. The hole-in-the-wall car-wash cum service station may be dodgy but most dealerships service stations are accountable.

They don't hate us farangs, really.

Yes, come to think of it, you are right. My previous D-Max was always serviced at an Isuzu main dealer and although it was my wife that normally took it, I do recall things like old air filters and even an old shock absorber being given back after being changed. So, apologies and like you say, the main dealers are most likely straight but maybe it's some of the others you need to be careful with. Mind you, some of the smaller shops provide excellent service and great VFM so the best is probably not to believe rumours and heresay but judge only from personal or a trusted friend's experience.

Now, here's a can of worms to open: what oil would people suggest I use in my new Ranger bearing in mind that I will change it every 7,500km and plan to keep the truck for many years? I'm thinking a 20-50w CH rated mineral or semi-synthetic blend would do the trick.

Cheers,

Pikey.

I really don't think that you should do oil changes in the New(!) truck in any other places than the dealer...and should use their oil as well....unless you don't care about your engine warranty...

Err, no. I am fully aware of warranty conditions and am not planning on spannering on the truck myself!

From another thread here dedicated to the truck, it appears that Castrol Magnatec is Ford's oil of choice and that is fine by me as I have used their products for 30+ years in bikes (anyone else fondly remember going to classic races and the smell of Castrol R?)

Cheers,

Pikey.

Yes, they use Magnetec which has the Ford logo in the labeling. I forgot the grade of Magnetec but the empties are lying at home so I will have a look when I get back. As I mentioned in my 15 k km service post, they also ran a can of engine cleaner through the system before dumping the old lube (Ford Udon Thani) so it was interested to see if this a recommended Ford service procedure for the first service or just a one-off by these Isaan chaps.

[SGD]

Same thing with our Mu 7, took it in at 5k at my insistence , they were happy to do a check up, but first service, oil and filter change is officially 10k. I got them to do it at my expense. I will always change oil and filter on diesel at 5k, minor expense for peace of mind and longevity of the engine.

Same on mine. That is why I may buy a second hand vehicle from you and quite possibly you from me but not from the Thai guy who had his new truck in but refusing to pay for the oil or filter change and running it without servicing until it breaks down.

Prevention is not a word Thais understand.