Gazza Again

[carmine]

Whenever you hear news about Gazza these days its nearly always about his continued decline. Very sad. He's a nice guy but its difficult to see a happy ending.

How can a wife beater be a nice guy? People I know who have met him said he was a gentleman, but he did beat his wife when he was at Rangers, and that is fact. There is never an excuse for hitting women, whether it's through drink or not.

I don't really think this thread needs to go down this route. The blokes got bipolar disorder, he's also has OCD and is an alcoholic with suicidal tendancies.

No, i agree, theres no excuse for beating a woman even if she's a money grabbing adulterer but try to look at the bigger picture. He has severe mental illness.

When he was good he was good though.

Think what he might have been had he gone to OT under Fergusons wing. He would have been fitter, faster and in a city where it would have been much easier to keeps tabs on him. He would have been magnificent

[StevieH]

Yes he was, but he never bothered Celtic that much.

death threats, wasn't it?

[NoshowJones]

Yes he was, but he never bothered Celtic that much.

death threats, wasn't it?

No, that was Neil Lennon.

[StevieH]

No, that was Neil Lennon.

pretty sure gascoigne received them as well.

[nakhonandy]

About going to MUFC years helping him.

Maybe but I doubt it. He has a serious illness that not even SAF could have handled.

I loved watching him play, one of England's best ever players.

Hope he finally gets the help he needs.

[carmine]

About going to MUFC years helping him.

Maybe but I doubt it. He has a serious illness that not even SAF could have handled.

I loved watching him play, one of England's best ever players.

Hope he finally gets the help he needs.

Terry Venables wooed him to Spurs with the words "i'll make you a star" He would have been a star regardless. TV was totally the wrong person/manager to be guiding him. Ferguson would have taken greater care of his charge and probably sought professional help of some sort. I don't really know but i just feel certain that Ferguson would have been his bet bet for his career.

Life after might not have proved any different

[Jockstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nr9omVrWdQ

[Jockstar]

[rijit]

Better 4 Gazza at man utd or at spurs? difficult to say, dont think the media spotlight would have been any less intense at utd, than at spurs, Ferguson possibly wouldn't have let the 'circus' create such a huge show around gazza, but then wasnt that 'circus' supposedly part of the reason 4 shipping becks out?, and fergie has had other issues that he didnt control, robsons drinking, Ferdinand drugs, but bottom line gazza had an illness lurking somewhere in the background waiting to happen, neither manager, club, or football were, or are, ready to handle.

[Chicog]

but bottom line gazza had an illness lurking somewhere in the background waiting to happen

What do you mean "waiting to happen", he was a pisshead when he was at Newcastle. He met the sponger Five Bellies when they were 14.

His mental problems have probably been created by the alcohol abuse rather than the other way round.

[rijit]

but bottom line gazza had an illness lurking somewhere in the background waiting to happen

What do you mean "waiting to happen", he was a pisshead when he was at Newcastle. He met the sponger Five Bellies when they were 14.

His mental problems have probably been created by the alcohol abuse rather than the other way round.

empathy ain't your strongest point is it mate!!! What I mean by waiting to happen is what he it says waiting to happen who knows on his diagnosis He was renowned for 'erratic' behavior through out his career, like destroying hotel rooms when he was dropped, if did then wouldn't it go down AS HIGH SPIRITED?, if done now it would be a mental health issue but Probably being the important word here, mental health is v v open to interpretation and it's triggers are very individual and almost impossible to pin point. If i recall Toady was good on this sort of stuff, where the f is he when u need him !!!

[Chicog]

Like other posters, I don't have much sympathy for wife beaters.

Evidence that the mental health disorders are often induced by alcohol misuse via distortion of brain neurochemistry is indicated by the improvement or disappearance of symptoms that occurs after prolonged abstinence, although problems may worsen in early withdrawal and recovery periods.

[smokie36]

Like other posters, I don't have much sympathy for wife beaters.

Evidence that the mental health disorders are often induced by alcohol misuse via distortion of brain neurochemistry is indicated by the improvement or disappearance of symptoms that occurs after prolonged abstinence, although problems may worsen in early withdrawal and recovery periods.

Was Gazza convicted of beating his wife then?

[rijit]

Like other posters, I don't have much sympathy for wife beaters.

Evidence that the mental health disorders are often induced by alcohol misuse via distortion of brain neurochemistry is indicated by the improvement or disappearance of symptoms that occurs after prolonged abstinence, although problems may worsen in early withdrawal and recovery periods.

Was Gazza convicted of beating his wife then?

you would think the guy knows what he's talking about smokes?? after all, wife beating is a relatively easy one to quantify compared to his in depth diagnosis and understanding of gazzas mental health issues..

Edited February 11, 2013 by rijit

[carmine]

but bottom line gazza had an illness lurking somewhere in the background waiting to happen

What do you mean "waiting to happen", he was a pisshead when he was at Newcastle. He met the sponger Five Bellies when they were 14.

His mental problems have probably been created by the alcohol abuse rather than the other way round.

Sorry mate but all you are doing on this thread is showing a total lack of knowledge and understanding of the illnesses being spoken about.

And i might add it should have nothing to do with north londons opposing opinions on the player that you would have loved to have had in your team

Anyway, you should understand that alcoholism is very much a key part of bipolar disorder, the manic mood swings create a huge alcohol urge which turns into binging. When the mood swings either way the urge to hit the bottle is overwhelming. Put bluntly, he's rendered totally out of control.

Bipolar and OCD are not brought on by alcohol. I'm incredibly sick of hack journo's spouting off their opinions rather than feeding the public with proper medical advice.

[Chicog]

If anything, you're being too nice to the bloke.

Bipolar disorder my arse, he's an inveterate alcohol abuser and it's affected his mental health. If you believe all the nonsense his PR and ghost writers put out, he's an angel.

Since retiring the 43-year-old has been sectioned three times under the Mental Health Act and has described how, when he hit rock bottom, he was snorting cocaine and drinking a litre of gin a day, which left him delusional and afraid to leave his room.

The sad thing is that when people were telling him to slow down when he was younger, he just ignored them, and carried on partying with his obese hanger-on.

[rijit]

or Another way of looking

at the drinking in these type situations could be 'self medication" or a cry for help.

[Chicog]

or Another way of looking

at the drinking in these type situations could be 'self medication" or a cry for help.

Except invariably after prolonged abstinence, the mental disorders diminish.

Perhaps he doesn't have the strength to go through withdrawal. It's not easy.

[carmine]

or Another way of looking

at the drinking in these type situations could be 'self medication" or a cry for help.

Except invariably after prolonged abstinence, the mental disorders diminish.

Perhaps he doesn't have the strength to go through withdrawal. It's not easy.

If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the alcohol problem is the easiest one to cure. Honestly, you're talking drivel. Putting to one side the obvious dislike you have for him you are putting forward draconian views that are totally in contradiction of proven medical knowledge.

I think this thread is done!

[Chicog]

Just because you don't like that fact that medical evidence supports the fact that many mental disorders are caused by alcohol abuse, and recede when the abuse stops?

My, you're a bit precious, eh?

[rijit]

As carmine said chicog your just making yourself look rather ,,, ignorant. i dont suppose its crossed your mind that Perhaps people have had 1 st hand experiences of someone getting ill and mate the theory against what you're saying is the old one chicken and egg, which one came first and ABSOLUTELY no one knows.

[Goshawk]

Gascoigne, who was twice sectioned under the Mental Health Act in 2008, broke down crying at a charity event in Northampton last week, leading to new concerns about his current state of mind.

here he is at that event in Northampton... he's shaky & looks very ill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnGODzso0qk

[rijit]

Yep very sad indeed goshawk, lets hope with some help he can steady himself and move on. aside from that So it seems it was bugger all to do with el tel and the lure of London it was the good old fashioned pound note!!!!!that brought him to spurs 120,000 of them 2 be precise, all 4 a house for his parents!!! sweet man ,but f me, 120 g's in those days!!! for a pad in Newcastle must of been huge.

Edited February 12, 2013 by rijit

[carmine]

Just because you don't like that fact that medical evidence supports the fact that many mental disorders are caused by alcohol abuse, and recede when the abuse stops?

My, you're a bit precious, eh?

Yeh well you've turned this into a thoroughly ridiculous discussion so lets just leave it shall we?

[Chicog]

here he is at that event in Northampton... he's shaky & looks very ill.

The shakes are very likely Essential Tremor, another condition exacerbated by chronic alcohol abuse. His tremor seem quite severe in that video.

http://www.helenjaques.co.uk/blog/2009/drinking-essential-tremor/

[rijit]

interesting responce especially the 4th reply .

[JacknDanny]

A good article written by Greavsie.

Sad!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2278258/Jimmy-Greaves-light-end-tunnel-Paul-Gascoigne.html

[fcgprg]

I see the Football Association and the England footballers foundation have both donated 20,000 pounds to help Paul Gascoigne beat his addiction.

Lets hope that the clinic in Arizona can help him this time ,but he needs to want the help.

[rijit]

I wish 2 fuc I could understand Geordie !!!!

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8579807/gazza-i-thought-i-was-going-to-die

but seriously, good 2 see gazza bac, lets just hope he can keep it 2 gether.