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[mr6kings]

Need the opinions of residents living in LOS as to the extent of this behavior. A nephew of ours who graduated from college and was recently dischrged from the Thai Army has been accepted for Police training. As my Wife understands it with his education and Military experience He will enter training to be something higher ranking than just a Patrol officer. The training is at no cost to him but he'll need to come up with 255000 Bt before he can go to work. A little background on my Wife and me. We've been married 39 years and have willingly helped the Family on numerous occasions.either with buying rice fields education or fixing the House so it's not the Mamasan and Papasan need a new Water Buffalo scenario.

[ragamuffin]

What does he need the money for if the training is free?

[samran]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

[soi41]

Consider it a payment to get his share of future "commissions"!

[mr6kings]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

How does the average Thai ever get a job? My Wife has two Sisters who also have lived in the US over 40 years. About 15 years ago their Father divided up the rice field acerage and was going to put equal parts into all of the childrens names. The 3 sisters here told him just didvide it all up between the 4 still in Thailand Unfortunately over time the two brothers have sold most of it off. Had we held on to it they would still have a revenue source

[samran]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

How does the average Thai ever get a job? My Wife has two Sisters who also have lived in the US over 40 years. About 15 years ago their Father divided up the rice field acerage and was going to put equal parts into all of the childrens names. The 3 sisters here told him just didvide it all up between the 4 still in Thailand Unfortunately over time the two brothers have sold most of it off. Had we held on to it they would still have a revenue source

The rest of the economy works in pretty much the same way you and I know it. The police force, and certain other select sectors of the civil service sometimes require upfront payments, which you then recoup via bribes.

[rgs2001uk]

As he makes progress up the promotion ladder he just sells his post to the next fresh batch of recruits.

[arthurwait]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

How does the average Thai ever get a job? My Wife has two Sisters who also have lived in the US over 40 years. About 15 years ago their Father divided up the rice field acerage and was going to put equal parts into all of the childrens names. The 3 sisters here told him just didvide it all up between the 4 still in Thailand Unfortunately over time the two brothers have sold most of it off. Had we held on to it they would still have a revenue source

They start at the bottom and stay there.

[samran]

As he makes progress up the promotion ladder he just sells his post to the next fresh batch of recruits.

The only Ponzi scheme which works...

[Semper]

What does he need the money for if the training is free?

To secure the job. It's normal with bribe money to secure a government employment.

[Hedghog]

He should recoup that in no time.

[barefoot1988]

training is at no cost but he need to come out with 255k.

its not paying to work, its called corruption

[aussiebebe]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

How does the average Thai ever get a job? My Wife has two Sisters who also have lived in the US over 40 years. About 15 years ago their Father divided up the rice field acerage and was going to put equal parts into all of the childrens names. The 3 sisters here told him just didvide it all up between the 4 still in Thailand Unfortunately over time the two brothers have sold most of it off. Had we held on to it they would still have a revenue source

The brothers who sold the land - is it one of their sons that now needs money to get a job? That figures. As samran said, the money is for a specific position; your nephew can still get a lower-ranking job without money. Try not to let your wife's family mislead you.

Edited March 22, 2013 by aussiebebe

[apetley]

Seems cheap to me. Weren't the teaching assistants paying 300k just for a copy of the entry exam answers?

Edited March 23, 2013 by apetley

[cgphuket]

Seems cheap to me. Weren't the teaching assistants paying 300k just for a copy of the entry exam answers?

I heard about the cheating but not the amount. 300k to get a 8k a month job, really?

[FunFon]

The positions in areas frequented by foreigners are a LOT more expensive because they are so lucrative.

[apetley]

Seems cheap to me. Weren't the teaching assistants paying 300k just for a copy of the entry exam answers?

I heard about the cheating but not the amount. 300k to get a 8k a month job, really?

Teaching asst's will find it alot easier to go on to become real teachers. With that comes the benefit of much higher salary, govt pension, family healthcare, job for life and seemingly endless soft loans so for many the initial outlay is well worth it.

[rct99q]

The 300,000 was for non-commissioned police recruits and other civil servants to cheat on their entrance exams. And have to disagree a little with the paying more for a tourist spot. I live in one of the least visited tourists spots in all of Thailand and there is a waiting list to get into several of the district police postings.

They can stop 5 thais for every one tourist just in dealing with the language barrier (up here any way). I only ever get pulled over at one particular check stop and have done so every day for nearly 4 years...they even know me by my first name.

However all the others they just wave you through. i am all legal so no fines (yet) but as my wife says they are just waiting for the day I forget my DL....gulp!

Edited March 23, 2013 by rct99q

[David48]

As he makes progress up the promotion ladder he just sells his post to the next fresh batch of recruits.

The only Ponzi scheme which works...

Is the teaching profession the same?

I'm sure not every teaching position ... but isn't it (pay for position) the occurrence rather then the exemption?

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Edited March 23, 2013 by David48

[FunFon]

And have to disagree a little with the paying more for a tourist spot. I live in one of the least visited tourists spots in all of Thailand and there is a waiting list to get into several of the district police postings.

They can stop 5 thais for every one tourist just in dealing with the language barrier (up here any way). I only ever get pulled over at one particular check stop and have done so every day for nearly 4 years...they even know me by my first name.

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Phuket, Khao San Road and Pattaya have all kinds of scams running that pull in millions of baht from just a few victims per week, getting "protection" commissions from the thousands of outside mafia networks, totally different class of opportunities in those places.

The traffic stop stuff is chicken feed, not even worth consideration from the real gangsters. . .

[scorecard]

It isn't paying to work. It is paying for position. Now you know how the police works.

How does the average Thai ever get a job? My Wife has two Sisters who also have lived in the US over 40 years. About 15 years ago their Father divided up the rice field acerage and was going to put equal parts into all of the childrens names. The 3 sisters here told him just didvide it all up between the 4 still in Thailand Unfortunately over time the two brothers have sold most of it off. Had we held on to it they would still have a revenue source

The rest of the economy works in pretty much the same way you and I know it. The police force, and certain other select sectors of the civil service sometimes require upfront payments, which you then recoup via bribes.

And it's not only jobs within the broad government sectors.

I'm aware of a family in a large upcounry Thai city who paid 100,000Baht to get a job for their daughter in a major Thai high profile bank.

The family say it's well known locally that all the staff in that branch bought their jobs for a substantial fee.

The daughter says she believes (from discussions with other staff) that the 'fee' all stays in the pocket of the local manager.

[dave111223]

Maybe they can provide you with an information packet, containing expected bribe receipts over time, so that you can calculate the ROI

[FunFon]

And it's not only jobs within the broad government sectors.

I'm aware of a family in a large upcounry Thai city who paid 100,000Baht to get a job for their daughter in a major Thai high profile bank.

The family say it's well known locally that all the staff in that branch bought their jobs for a substantial fee.

The daughter says she believes (from discussions with other staff) that the 'fee' all stays in the pocket of the local manager.

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Well that's only fair, think of how much he had to pay for his job!

[Rancid]

Cheap, considereing all the income blackmail, extortion, vice and drugs brings in. The Public Sector is the sector with the greatest future as they steal with impunity from their lesser countrymen, plus all the extra benfits. It is a poster endorsement of the parasite Nanny State that sucks the blood from all us.

[MacChine]

As to the extent of this behavior?

SO, whats the question, should you give him money? Well Yeah, if you plan a long term commitment, but a divorces ensues you'll have a cop on her side, not yours

[Almera]

What a culture, country and society....

And to think, we only know a fraction of the reality!

[chris2004]

It's like the old days in the British army when you had to buy a commission as an officer, but then you could sell it later on.

[FunFon]

What a culture, country and society....

And to think, we only know a fraction of the reality!

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What hypocrisy - the corruption at the heart of our own societies back home is IMO much more insidious, at least here average people can benefit from it sometimes.

Plus the consequences of the Thai version aren't wholesale slaughter and destruction of entire societies on the other side of the world.

[Almera]

What a culture, country and society....

And to think, we only know a fraction of the reality!

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What hypocrisy - the corruption at the heart of our own societies back home is IMO much more insidious, at least here average people can benefit from it sometimes.

Oh yes, the people benefit from police officers buying their entrance exam results...

Teachers buying their entrance exam results...

Teachers refusing to teach what they should unless the students pay for their extra evening/weekend classes etc.

etc.

etc.

etc.

All highly beneficial to the people.

[FunFon]

What a culture, country and society....

And to think, we only know a fraction of the reality!

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What hypocrisy - the corruption at the heart of our own societies back home is IMO much more insidious, at least here average people can benefit from it sometimes.

Oh yes, the people benefit from police officers buying their entrance exam results...

Teachers buying their entrance exam results...

Teachers refusing to teach what they should unless the students pay for their extra evening/weekend classes etc.

etc.

etc.

etc.

All highly beneficial to the people.

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I was making a "glass houses" point, and the fact that our own countries have perhaps more hidden but no less endemic corruption at the foundation of our political-economic systems, which in some cases have much more damaging results than just holding back the development of the country.

100% agree that corruption hurts "the people" as a whole, I was talking about self-interest of individuals - you have to be very rich indeed to take advantage of the kinds of corruption we have back home, while here it enables even very poor people to make a living that wouldn't be available if the "laws" were strictly enforced.