Verdicts In Centralworld Arson Case Tomorrow

[khunken]

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

You're right - 'mysteriously' was sarcasm.

In fact the police - mostly red-shirt supporters - totally failed to control the protests & riots.

The government was forced to use the army because the police all but disappeared from the main area. In other words the emergency decree was due to police failure to do their duty - NOT the other way round.

[bigbamboo]

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

You're right - 'mysteriously' was sarcasm.

In fact the police - mostly red-shirt supporters - totally failed to control the protests & riots.

The government was forced to use the army because the police all but disappeared from the main area. In other words the emergency decree was due to police failure to do their duty - NOT the other way round.

A case of the police fleeing the scene.

[ZhouZhou]

khunken, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:44, said:

ZhouZhou, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:22, said:

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

You're right - 'mysteriously' was sarcasm.

In fact the police - mostly red-shirt supporters - totally failed to control the protests & riots.

The government was forced to use the army because the police all but disappeared from the main area. In other words the emergency decree was due to police failure to do their duty - NOT the other way round.

that is not true. the government wasn't forced to call the army, not because the police did nothing. they government wanted that the army controls the things, thats why they came up with the emergency law.

[khunken]

khunken, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:44, said:

ZhouZhou, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:22, said:

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

You're right - 'mysteriously' was sarcasm.

In fact the police - mostly red-shirt supporters - totally failed to control the protests & riots.

The government was forced to use the army because the police all but disappeared from the main area. In other words the emergency decree was due to police failure to do their duty - NOT the other way round.

that is not true. the government wasn't forced to call the army, not because the police did nothing. they government wanted that the army controls the things, thats why they came up with the emergency law.

Yes it is true. If you can't accept it here, go and do some research on the events leading up to the riots & the riots in other areas of Bangkok - such as the storming of the satellite station.

This has been discussed over & over again on this forum - plenty of research possibilities there.

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of the police here.

[MrSlatersParrot]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

Soldiers in or out of uniform are quite easy to spot if you have military back round.

Because Jatuporn made his claim way back that eye witnesses saw a group of men entering Central World wearing civilian clothes but wearing army boots.

Thus they could be identified as soldiers.

[Pimay1]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

Soldiers in or out of uniform are quite easy to spot if you have military back round.

Because Jatuporn made his claim way back that eye witnesses saw a group of men entering Central World wearing civilian clothes but wearing army boots.

Thus they could be identified as soldiers.

And we all know so well that Khun Jatuporn is the epitome of truth and righteousness.

[biplanebluey]

Only two people up on charges for arson and looting ???? What about the bottles of cooking gas piled up inside Central world just waiting to explode and what about the people queing up for the free buses back to Issan carring bags of designer watches and jewelery , where are they now ?

Woa Woa Woa Neddy------We will deal with the arsenists first then the full weight of the law will come down on the others------ sorry what were those others again?------------- HaHa In the words of the song''Give me strength to carry on"-------Dougal the Kiwi

[biplanebluey]

So it brought the whole building down, interesting.......................

perhaps it was done for the insurance. Throwing grenades at security sounds far fetched and a good excuse to go home.

MIGHTY POWERFUL GRENADES------------ Dougal the Kiwi

[MrSlatersParrot]

khunken, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:44, said:

ZhouZhou, on 24 Mar 2013 - 11:22, said:

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

You're right - 'mysteriously' was sarcasm.

In fact the police - mostly red-shirt supporters - totally failed to control the protests & riots.

The government was forced to use the army because the police all but disappeared from the main area. In other words the emergency decree was due to police failure to do their duty - NOT the other way round.

that is not true. the government wasn't forced to call the army, not because the police did nothing. they government wanted that the army controls the things, thats why they came up with the emergency law.

Yes it is true. If you can't accept it here, go and do some research on the events leading up to the riots & the riots in other areas of Bangkok - such as the storming of the satellite station.

This has been discussed over & over again on this forum - plenty of research possibilities there.

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of the police here.

Ah yes the night before.Before all the killings around the Democracy monument.

Know what the Democracy monument commemorates do you?

9th April 2010 redshirts confronted the soldiers who had seized their transmitter. They regained control of the transmitter and disarmed the soldiers whose rifles had no ammunition.

Then in a big publicity stunt the redshirts returned the rifles to the soldiers and withdrew after receiving assurances from the commanders that the transmitter would not again be tampered with and be allowed to remain working.

Later that night the soldiers stole back and shut off the transmitter.

Liars.

Abhisit has recently come out to claim that not all the rifles were returned!

Well he's had 3 years to think that one up.

Where does this idea come from that the police are all redshirts?

They may be a lot of things but they are held in no higher regard in the north than in Bangkok/.

It is true that army units were withdrawn to be replaced by the Queen's guard etc as they couldn't be relied upon to shoot their own Issan kith and kin.

Hence "Water melon" soldiers.

[biplanebluey]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

a lot of Isaan girls could have told you

[biplanebluey]

What do disinformation propagandists look like?

Surely not "soldiers out of uniform" ?

[MrSlatersParrot]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

Soldiers in or out of uniform are quite easy to spot if you have military back round.

Because Jatuporn made his claim way back that eye witnesses saw a group of men entering Central World wearing civilian clothes but wearing army boots.

Thus they could be identified as soldiers.

And we all know so well that Khun Jatuporn is the epitome of truth and righteousness.

Well that's what a lot of posters here say (and will always say to their dying days no doubt) and also the Thai rightwing privately owned media says.

Seems to me some people don't like what he says but just prefer to insult and demean the man.

Fear of the truth perhaps?

[ZhouZhou]

khunken, on 24 Mar 2013 - 12:29, said:

Yes it is true. If you can't accept it here, go and do some research on the events leading up to the riots & the riots in other areas of Bangkok - such as the storming of the satellite station.

This has been discussed over & over again on this forum - plenty of research possibilities there.

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of the police here.

bangkok or parts of bangkok was put under that emergency law even before the protest had really begun. and the CRES had allready established its war room or whatever that headquarter was called. from hat moment on the commando chain about establishing law in order in the city was going directly to there and no more ordinary police work in protest control involved.

if the police didn't act as they should have according to the law they as you imply, the police forces would have broke the law that tells them what to do. that would have not been without consequences.

[biplanebluey]

What do disinformation propagandists look like?

".......Around 7pm, fire-fighters were alerted to the fire but could access the scene only after 10pm.

The building collapsed around 9pm due to the fire while the soldiers, who guarded the scene, looked on............"

Says a lot, does it not ???

Sorry but I am a bit confused here-----

The police chase the attackers out

The security guards abandon the scene in fear of their lives?

The fire-fighters are called out------- 7pm

The building collapses-------- presumably due to those hand grenades [powerful stuff]

The forcespolice/soldiers whoever continue to occupy a now blazing and collapsed ---empyy of attackers------ building?

The fire-fighters are now allowed in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A CRACKING LOAD OF B/S-------------------------------------------------- Dougll the Kiwi----------- HaHa

[biplanebluey]

Dear Philw, if you'd take the trouble to do some research of the May 2010 topics, you'll notice that the fire brigade was standing by because they were fired upon and needed the army to give an "all clear" signal first. The army was still in heavy gunfights with unarmed protesters and militants and other fools at the time.

the army had heavy gunfights?

Didn't hear any of that at the time--------------Dougal the Kiwi

[biplanebluey]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

Soldiers in or out of uniform are quite easy to spot if you have military back round.

Ah well I have little military''BACK ROUND'' so that lets me out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[khunken]

khunken, on 24 Mar 2013 - 12:29, said:

Yes it is true. If you can't accept it here, go and do some research on the events leading up to the riots & the riots in other areas of Bangkok - such as the storming of the satellite station.

This has been discussed over & over again on this forum - plenty of research possibilities there.

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of the police here.

bangkok or parts of bangkok was put under that emergency law even before the protest had really begun. and the CRES had allready established its war room or whatever that headquarter was called. from hat moment on the commando chain about establishing law in order in the city was going directly to there and no more ordinary police work in protest control involved.

if the police didn't act as they should have according to the law they as you imply, the police forces would have broke the law that tells them what to do. that would have not been without consequences.

No, wrong again. The emergency decree was instigated after the invasion of parts of the city by paid & unpaid red shirts. The police failed (more like refused) to do their duty under the law. That's why the army was brought in - to do the police work.

As I said, you have a shallow understanding of the BIB. They use the law when money can be earned & ignore it the rest of the time. Not all of them but a sizable majority.

This is my lot on this thread. Do some research before posting any more propaganda.

[ZhouZhou]

Dear Philw, if you'd take the trouble to do some research of the May 2010 topics, you'll notice that the fire brigade was standing by because they were fired upon and needed the army to give an "all clear" signal first. The army was still in heavy gunfights with unarmed protesters and militants and other fools at the time.

the army had heavy gunfights?

Didn't hear any of that at the time--------------Dougal the Kiwi

i heard some. but i don't want focus on heavy as in "heavy guns" but just on "heavy fights".

my question would be is it already official establish that the army was heavily involved in that heavy gunfights ir is still the suthep line "it were all the black shirts and terrorists that killed the people" the official line. because suthep was the authority then.

for a new official line we would need some court or independent committee conclusion that had the authority to make such statement

[jackspratt]

that is not true. the government wasn't forced to call the army, not because the police did nothing. they government wanted that the army controls the things, thats why they came up with the emergency law.

Oh dear!

I am mightily offended to think that the farkwits (3 Stooges) on the "Honey" thread have drawn the conclusion that you are my alter ego.

At least my posts are literate, and have a modicum of intelligence and common sense - which clearly, based on this thread, your's don't.

[ZhouZhou]

that is not true. the government wasn't forced to call the army, not because the police did nothing. they government wanted that the army controls the things, thats why they came up with the emergency law.

Oh dear!

I am mightily offended to think that the farkwits (3 Stooges) on the "Honey" thread have drawn the conclusion that you are my alter ego.

At least my posts are literate, and have a modicum of intelligence and common sense - which clearly, based on this thread, your's don't.

whatever.

it is a tad more complicated who is supposed to do what in case of riot control or large group of protesters in the inner city and act rightfully according to the law.

the folklore the police = pro red = pro thaksin (because thaksin is ex police) did nothing because they are pro red, sounds maybe good and convincing for anti-reds, but there is not much truth in it.

i didn't hear of any case where the police refused order wouldn't that be mutiny or something.

they weren't supposed to do that what they don't did. there was no law in power that told to do that and that. so they did nothing of the things people dream here they should have done.

again if the police don't act as they should have according to a law, the police would have violated that law. mutiny on a big scale. as case for the martial court. ever heard of something like that?

that cannot be compared with that little corrupt policeman you don't like because he took 500 baht from you for riding a bike without helmet or a license.

edit to add.

keep in mind that the laws in Thailand about inner city protest are maybe somewhat different from the laws in your country that control situation like that.

for some laws that maybe tell the riot police what to do to establish order in your working class neighborhood back home might not exist any equivalent in thai law.

Edited March 24, 2013 by ZhouZhou

[hellodolly]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

Thais

[hellodolly]

What do disinformation propagandists look like?

Jatuporn comes to mind.

Sorry my mistake I thought you said delusional.

[hellodolly]

What do "soldiers out of uniform" look like?

From the next sentence in the paragraph, the throwing grenades part, I assume it means armed as soldiers but dressed differently.

Well that describes a lot of red and black shirt people.

[hellodolly]

What do disinformation propagandists look like?

".......Around 7pm, fire-fighters were alerted to the fire but could access the scene only after 10pm.

The building collapsed around 9pm due to the fire while the soldiers, who guarded the scene, looked on............"

Says a lot, does it not ???

Says they did not have fire fighting equipment.

What country are you from that sends their solders into a war zone with fire fighting equipment for tall buildings.

Do they have soldiers who can leap over buildings in a single leap?

I guess what I am trying to tell you is

We are not in Kansas any more Toto.

[jackspratt]

it is a tad more complicated who is supposed to do what in case of riot control or large group of protesters in the inner city and act rightfully according to the law.

the folklore the police = pro red = pro thaksin (because thaksin is ex police) did nothing because they are pro red, sounds maybe good and convincing for anti-reds, but there is not much truth in it.

As far as the Thai police and dereliction of duty are concerned, they seem to be somewhat colour-blind.

Witness their melting away into the ether when the yellow-shirts were taking over the airport(s) in February 2009.

Now that a number of the yellows have (very appropriately) been arrested for their roles in this fiasco, those at the top of the RTP who allowed this to happen should also be held accountable.

And then we could move on to the Pattaya ASEAN riots in April 2009, and further north to Bangkok in the same month.

But I dream on.

[hellodolly]

If you had witness something you should report it to the police.

It was reported in the National press re:the gas bottles and on T.V. showing the army confiscating the bags of looted items from the returning red shirts . Anyway are you joking "report it to the police". Of course they would act on it , the action would be to file it into the nearest waste paper bin:cheesy:

Absolutely right. The police had mysteriously disappeared from the scene ever since the start of the riots.

not mysteriously. its because the emergency law, where the army had taken over in control of law and order.

O goody another newby who knows nothing except what the red shirts tell him.

The police disappeared long before it was declared an emergency. That is why the Army was called in.

Short cut to being dumb as a board fence. Believe every thing Thaksin and his red shirted goons tell you.

Of course believing every thing Thaksin tells you would require changing your beliefs on a daily basses.

[hellodolly]

Soldiers in or out of uniform are quite easy to spot if you have military back round.

Because Jatuporn made his claim way back that eye witnesses saw a group of men entering Central World wearing civilian clothes but wearing army boots.

Thus they could be identified as soldiers.

And we all know so well that Khun Jatuporn is the epitome of truth and righteousness.

Well that's what a lot of posters here say (and will always say to their dying days no doubt) and also the Thai rightwing privately owned media says.

Seems to me some people don't like what he says but just prefer to insult and demean the man.

Fear of the truth perhaps?

You demonstrate an extremely large amount of it.

I guess being gullible with a active imagination would leed to some thing like that.

Do you honestly believe he was just given every thing he owns for absolutely no reason. I fine man you have picked to admire.

[ZhouZhou]

police should have done what exactly and according to what law?

there is a lack of clear laws and regulations when it comes to protests as we have seen with the yellow shirts or the red shirts.

thats why you maybe be wondering about police inactivity.

but laws here are different from your home country.

[hellodolly]

Dear Philw, if you'd take the trouble to do some research of the May 2010 topics, you'll notice that the fire brigade was standing by because they were fired upon and needed the army to give an "all clear" signal first. The army was still in heavy gunfights with unarmed protesters and militants and other fools at the time.

the army had heavy gunfights?

Didn't hear any of that at the time--------------Dougal the Kiwi

i heard some. but i don't want focus on heavy as in "heavy guns" but just on "heavy fights".

my question would be is it already official establish that the army was heavily involved in that heavy gunfights ir is still the suthep line "it were all the black shirts and terrorists that killed the people" the official line. because suthep was the authority then.

for a new official line we would need some court or independent committee conclusion that had the authority to make such statement

Finally you admit you lack common sense.

[rubl]

With a lot of zig-zagging, rewriting the past and some snippets of truth, we're still only at a verdict tomorrow and compared to the last three years no real new information. Lots of denials, speculation, 'army bad, red shirts good', etc., etc.

Probably against forum rules to openly speculate on this, but somehow I think I've had the discussion with ZZ in at least four or five re-incarnations by now. It gets boring as every time someone tries to rewrite history again and again as if they didn't try that a few times before already. Maybe it's just that as inmate #58 and with a too good memory I remember too much

Edited March 24, 2013 by rubl