A Letter From The Uk...for Those Who Remember Me.

[doppa]

This is a common experience. We can return to the same physical place, but never return to the same times we remember. Places are fixed but time marches on.

If you return to CM after a few years away, you will be surprised. The Greeks had a word for it " you could not step twice into the same river".

Things are never as bad as they seem , or as good !

Good luck in that beautiful corner of the UK.

you could very well be right, i think due to the 11yrs in thailand, the change to the 'style' of the uk has come as a major surprise,i guess it's upto me to get over it, mmmmmmmm!

[NanLaew]

Firstly presuming you have a Settlement Visa for your wife,what copious amounts of paperwork are you talking about? Normally there are no forms to fill out once your wife has a Visa,and you do not need to check in to Immigration or the Police for the whole 2 years and 3 months Visa,and it's normal to have no contact at all with the UKBA,would you prefer 30, 60, or 90 day check ins?

Copious amounts of paperwork! could you be more specific on the nature of the forms?

12 days to see your Doctor i've never heard of such a wait,normally if you want to see a specific Dr,and he is fully booked on any one day or on holiday,then you can see another Dr in the Practice,and on the same day. Our Doctors are dedicated to their job and some of the finest in the world,to state that they are penny pinching with prescriptions as if it was their own money,is disgraceful,they do not count the cost of patients health,and their patients health is paramount,and is their only concern,and BTW patients pay £7.80 for each prescription,whether it covers the cost or not.

Form filling: every Country has that,Driving Licence,Passports,Road Tax,Insurance,NI Card,Regulations, applications,CRB checks,Background checks etc etc.

Yes the UK is more expensive to live in with the exception of Food.......Petrol,Gas,House Tax,Road Tax,TV, is more expensive,but then you get paid more in the UK to counteract it.

I have never heard of ticking the box for a Job Application over the phone!

>And as for the NHS it's not perfect but is still the finest in the world,considering it has a population of around 62 Million to cater for,and as the largest employer in Europe,employs in excess of 1 Million staff, yes there are waiting lists for treatment of non urgent cases,if it was an emergency operation situation,you would get treated immediately.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and pears.

I wish you and your wife good luck and hope you can settle back in again soon.

You're either being deliberately argumentative/patronising or you're just a fool. Job interviews always take place over the phone first in the UK (unless you personally know the employer).Secondly what on earth is a settlement visa? Have you ever actually gone through the process of repatriation to the UK with a Thai spouse ? I seriously doubt it. No such thing as a settlement visa. It's called nationalisation and it takes 3 years, after you've done the unlimited leave to remain which follows the spouse visa, which usually follows the water testing tourist visa. People like you really grind my gears.

What on earth are you talking about?

He's clearly talking about you.

You must have really enjoyed the NHS bit of the Olympics opening ceremony. On the other hand, I now look on the bright side that it took over a million of them about 4 months to kill my old man. He was a proper trooper.

Edited April 24, 2013 by NanLaew

[doppa]

Firstly presuming you have a Settlement Visa for your wife,what copious amounts of paperwork are you talking about? Normally there are no forms to fill out once your wife has a Visa,and you do not need to check in to Immigration or the Police for the whole 2 years and 3 months Visa,and it's normal to have no contact at all with the UKBA,would you prefer 30, 60, or 90 day check ins?

Copious amounts of paperwork! could you be more specific on the nature of the forms?

12 days to see your Doctor i've never heard of such a wait,normally if you want to see a specific Dr,and he is fully booked on any one day or on holiday,then you can see another Dr in the Practice,and on the same day. Our Doctors are dedicated to their job and some of the finest in the world,to state that they are penny pinching with prescriptions as if it was their own money,is disgraceful,they do not count the cost of patients health,and their patients health is paramount,and is their only concern,and BTW patients pay £7.80 for each prescription,whether it covers the cost or not.

Form filling: every Country has that,Driving Licence,Passports,Road Tax,Insurance,NI Card,Regulations, applications,CRB checks,Background checks etc etc.

Yes the UK is more expensive to live in with the exception of Food.......Petrol,Gas,House Tax,Road Tax,TV, is more expensive,but then you get paid more in the UK to counteract it.

I have never heard of ticking the box for a Job Application over the phone!

And as for the NHS it's not perfect but is still the finest in the world,considering it has a population of around 62 Million to cater for,and as the largest employer in Europe,employs in excess of 1 Million staff, yes there are waiting lists for treatment of non urgent cases,if it was an emergency operation situation,you would get treated immediately.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and pears.

I wish you and your wife good luck and hope you can settle back in again soon.

Well, I have just submitted the 35 page settlement visa form. As well as English certificates,3 months worth of original(not Internet print outs) bank statements passportsc(hers and mine), payslips, 6 pieces of evidence of cohabiting, I noticed just before wrapping it all up that hey wanted photocopies as well as original documents.

I also had to do this twice as the form changed in between starting my original application n sending it - 3 additional(irrelevant for us) pages and a £60 price increase.

All of us, me included who has previously got a Settlement Visa for wife (Now Citizenship) ,have had to do the same,it's not easy,and why should it be? if you want your'e Partner with you,this is what Immigration requires! have a good whinge on TV,by all means,it will not change anything,just the same as we moan about obtaining Thai Visas and the the hoops we have to jump through, same same beurocracy!

Strewth MAJIC, don't you ever pipe down? The OP mentions copious paperwork and you say otherwise and allude that it was all a walk in the park. Now you say UK Immigration processes are not easy and acting as some sort of apologist for the arcane and discriminatory UK Immigration rules as well as carrying a torch for the hugely inefficient and morally bankrupt NHS.

What colour of glasses are you wearing?

well the interesting fact was that when OUR document was complete, it measured exactly 4.25" in depth. the visa is a 'following partner' which lasts initially for 2.5yrs, after that my partner has to sit a 'living [life] in the uk' test, plus we have to supply a further new set of financial records,if all is in order we have to wait for another 2.5years, only then can we apply for citizenship.

[mania]

well the interesting fact was that when OUR document was complete, it measured exactly 4.25" in depth. the visa is a 'following partner' which lasts initially for 2.5yrs, after that my partner has to sit a 'living [life] in the uk' test, plus we have to supply a further new set of financial records,if all is in order we have to wait for another 2.5years, only then can we apply for citizenship.

heheh not unlike the USA

I think when my wife did hers it was equally large & expensive too.

Took about the same amount of time too. 2 Year temp residence then your 10 year

which after having at least 1 year you can apply for citizenship more $$$$$ to pay

Funny thing is a few days after she got her US citizenship we moved to Thailand permanently

Did you ever say in this thread why you moved back?

Was it mainly for your son's upbringing?

(If I may ask?)

Edited April 24, 2013 by mania

[h5kaf]

Its a worry for a lot of Expats having to go back. Your boy is your life as you say and he will make it all worth while. Yours is a common view held by many ecpats who do actually love living in Thailand.. I would miss the freedom I have here. The weather and still how cheap it can be if you avoid the excess of beer and lady drinkies.. I have been here 11 years and hopefully will stay to the end! But not 100% sure I will be able to.

Hi George - Thrush here - you are right mate stay there as long as you can. It's hard after a while to appreciate the freedom you have in LOS unless you return here and are battered by political correctness everywhere. Had to come back for the sake of the little one, and the fact that in LOS they put my health insurance premiums up by 300+ %.

The worst thing here is the cold. It gets into your bones and then life can be pretty miserable. Still I get lots of laughs on this forum reading the comments on most topics - the best comedy forum on the internet!!

In spite of the whinging,everyone knows when it's time to go home and get some free treatment,on that terrible NHS Service!

Poor old Majic living in his own dream world. Keep taking the pills mate.

[MAJIC]

Firstly presuming you have a Settlement Visa for your wife,what copious amounts of paperwork are you talking about? Normally there are no forms to fill out once your wife has a Visa,and you do not need to check in to Immigration or the Police for the whole 2 years and 3 months Visa,and it's normal to have no contact at all with the UKBA,would you prefer 30, 60, or 90 day check ins?

Copious amounts of paperwork! could you be more specific on the nature of the forms?

12 days to see your Doctor i've never heard of such a wait,normally if you want to see a specific Dr,and he is fully booked on any one day or on holiday,then you can see another Dr in the Practice,and on the same day. Our Doctors are dedicated to their job and some of the finest in the world,to state that they are penny pinching with prescriptions as if it was their own money,is disgraceful,they do not count the cost of patients health,and their patients health is paramount,and is their only concern,and BTW patients pay £7.80 for each prescription,whether it covers the cost or not.

Form filling: every Country has that,Driving Licence,Passports,Road Tax,Insurance,NI Card,Regulations, applications,CRB checks,Background checks etc etc.

Yes the UK is more expensive to live in with the exception of Food.......Petrol,Gas,House Tax,Road Tax,TV, is more expensive,but then you get paid more in the UK to counteract it.

I have never heard of ticking the box for a Job Application over the phone!

And as for the NHS it's not perfect but is still the finest in the world,considering it has a population of around 62 Million to cater for,and as the largest employer in Europe,employs in excess of 1 Million staff, yes there are waiting lists for treatment of non urgent cases,if it was an emergency operation situation,you would get treated immediately.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and pears.

I wish you and your wife good luck and hope you can settle back in again soon.

Well, I have just submitted the 35 page settlement visa form. As well as English certificates,3 months worth of original(not Internet print outs) bank statements passportsc(hers and mine), payslips, 6 pieces of evidence of cohabiting, I noticed just before wrapping it all up that hey wanted photocopies as well as original documents.

I also had to do this twice as the form changed in between starting my original application n sending it - 3 additional(irrelevant for us) pages and a £60 price increase.

All of us, me included who has previously got a Settlement Visa for wife (Now Citizenship) ,have had to do the same,it's not easy,and why should it be? if you want your'e Partner with you,this is what Immigration requires! have a good whinge on TV,by all means,it will not change anything,just the same as we moan about obtaining Thai Visas and the the hoops we have to jump through, same same beurocracy!

Strewth MAJIC, don't you ever pipe down? The OP mentions copious paperwork and you say otherwise and allude that it was all a walk in the park. Now you say UK Immigration processes are not easy and acting as some sort of apologist for the arcane and discriminatory UK Immigration rules as well as carrying a torch for the hugely inefficient and morally bankrupt NHS.

What colour of glasses are you wearing?

I asked what copious amounts of paperwork after obtaining the Settlement Visa for the OPs wife?

I have never claimed the NHS is perfect,but it is foolish to assume that one should expect instant service,all the time,considering the large population that need medical care,the NHS provide an excellent service,considering there are 62,000,000 potential patients. I don't know of any other Country in the World that has such a collossal health service, to deal with,which covers every aspect of patient care,and reassuring that I, and everyone else in the UK can get treated,even though they may not have any money to pay!

[doppa]

well the interesting fact was that when OUR document was complete, it measured exactly 4.25" in depth. the visa is a 'following partner' which lasts initially for 2.5yrs, after that my partner has to sit a 'living [life] in the uk' test, plus we have to supply a further new set of financial records,if all is in order we have to wait for another 2.5years, only then can we apply for citizenship.

heheh not unlike the USA

I think when my wife did hers it was equally large & expensive too.

Took about the same amount of time too. 2 Year temp residence then your 10 year

which after having at least 1 year you can apply for citizenship more $$$$$ to pay

Funny thing is a few days after she got her US citizenship we moved to Thailand permanently

Did you ever say in this thread why you moved back?

Was it mainly for your son's upbringing?

(If I may ask?)

no problem at all, couple of reasons, one which was a financial one which will 'right' itself in 2.9yrs, although i'm not ticking off the days am i!

secondly, we do have a rather gifted son, as in a golfer, if you'd care to take a look on you tube type in 'young patrick junior at golf' you should find 4 videos, one from when he was a baby, the most recent last year.

in the first 6 weeks of being back in the uk, we were playing golf up at a nearby course, they have a lovely 9 hole par 3 course, great for kids, this guy wanders over and says to me 'i couldn't help notice your young lad playing golf, i'm the northern region england under 16's coach, would you care to join us' needless to me and my son were delighted to, a few days later this same guy rang me to let me know that ' he is now firmly recognized within the whole english golf union as one for the future'.

since then, with various coaching days etc, ive come to realize that there's an awful lot of support for us, which if my youngun keeps going at the same pace and keeps loving it, theres all the back up there available to utilize.

i'm not sure i we would have achieved this in thailand, we'll never know of course, but there's certainly more opportunity here.

[doppa]

Its a worry for a lot of Expats having to go back. Your boy is your life as you say and he will make it all worth while. Yours is a common view held by many ecpats who do actually love living in Thailand.. I would miss the freedom I have here. The weather and still how cheap it can be if you avoid the excess of beer and lady drinkies.. I have been here 11 years and hopefully will stay to the end! But not 100% sure I will be able to.

Hi George - Thrush here - you are right mate stay there as long as you can. It's hard after a while to appreciate the freedom you have in LOS unless you return here and are battered by political correctness everywhere. Had to come back for the sake of the little one, and the fact that in LOS they put my health insurance premiums up by 300+ %.

The worst thing here is the cold. It gets into your bones and then life can be pretty miserable. Still I get lots of laughs on this forum reading the comments on most topics - the best comedy forum on the internet!!

In spite of the whinging,everyone knows when it's time to go home and get some free treatment,on that terrible NHS Service!

i hope your not suggesting this was my intention.

[jackr]

The worst thing here is the cold.

I could do with some of that; this CM heat is freakin' horrendous!

Yes, NHS could be better (though was always well looked after) but folk would be up in arms if it were shutdown and had to pay cash with no improvement, and there's always world class private healthcare of course.

On the PC front and everything changing as it has, I guess you could lay much of the blame on bleedin' Europe for that, which is NOT the people's fault. It has interfered in just about every aspect of life there; the x amount of net billions flushed down the toilet for a road or farmer in some far off land notwithstanding.

On the immigration issue, sure I guess that's also a hassle, but when it's done, it's done. The lady then gets to work, buy a house & land, acquire a passport, vote, all the other myriad rights, you name it. Here, well you can 'buy' a house and vote with your feet if you don't like being herded into a shed every 3 months, but as for land, rights, equality, etc ... sorry, I'll get my coat.

[comserve]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

[MAJIC]

Its a worry for a lot of Expats having to go back. Your boy is your life as you say and he will make it all worth while. Yours is a common view held by many ecpats who do actually love living in Thailand.. I would miss the freedom I have here. The weather and still how cheap it can be if you avoid the excess of beer and lady drinkies.. I have been here 11 years and hopefully will stay to the end! But not 100% sure I will be able to.

Hi George - Thrush here - you are right mate stay there as long as you can. It's hard after a while to appreciate the freedom you have in LOS unless you return here and are battered by political correctness everywhere. Had to come back for the sake of the little one, and the fact that in LOS they put my health insurance premiums up by 300+ %.

The worst thing here is the cold. It gets into your bones and then life can be pretty miserable. Still I get lots of laughs on this forum reading the comments on most topics - the best comedy forum on the internet!!

In spite of the whinging,everyone knows when it's time to go home and get some free treatment,on that terrible NHS Service!

i hope your not suggesting this was my intention.

My Post was an open one,and not aimed at you.

[MESmith]

I love the way UK NHS, free for everyone, is compared with & is expected to compete with expensive private hospital service in Thailand. How about comparing with free govt hospitals here

Edited April 24, 2013 by MESmith

[muratremix]

Perhaps you should try to settle down in another common-wealth country such as Australia (I heard weather is nice down there and not far from Thailand) or perhaps Canada?

[hellodolly]

This is a common experience. We can return to the same physical place, but never return to the same times we remember. Places are fixed but time marches on.

If you return to CM after a few years away, you will be surprised. The Greeks had a word for it " you could not step twice into the same river".

Things are never as bad as they seem , or as good !

Good luck in that beautiful corner of the UK.

you could very well be right, i think due to the 11yrs in thailand, the change to the 'style' of the uk has come as a major surprise,i guess it's upto me to get over it, mmmmmmmm!

I partially agree with bumpkin. But as has often been said travel broadens the mind and you now know from hands on experience that there are other ways to do things.

Some better some worse some enjoyable some not enjoyable.

The point is you are now more aware of the world than your neighbors and your son has had a chance to learn that lesson early on in life.

All the best to you and yours.

[Konini]

Quote Post 46 "Why the agro, not necessary!

A couple of points on your posts however:

I was in the UK last month for about ten days and I walked into a doctors surgery and made an appointment for about two hours later that same day, this was for a skin rask so not exactly life threatening.

Also, we've/Ive applied for and recieved'a UK Settlement visa for my Thai partner two years ago, that's what we asked for and that's what they called it!"

I was back last year visiting my daughter. I'm still registered with a doctor's office. Walked in asked the receptionist if my doctor was free tonight.......yes, appointment at 5-30 pm. He said "I haven't seen you for a while". I replied "no I've been in Thailand" and asked him if he would check something for me and also put some copies of MRI and other stuff on my file......no problem. Didn't even bother with the fact I hadn't seen him for ages and I had medical stuff done in Thailand. There's still a lot of nice people in the UK and a lot of sympathetic doctors, who care about people in their later years and not big fans of the way the NHS has been handled.

That was pretty much my sceanrio also, I hadn't been to that particular doctors surgery in ten years but my records were still there on their computer system and when I explained that I was living in Thailand, nobody was concerned and the doctor was most helpful - if anyone cares to check I even posted about this event elsewhere in the forum because of the discussion I had with the doctor at the time about the differences between the UK and Thailand in treating diabetes.

on one visit to the uk, i visited my doctor who told me they couldn't treat for the very reason that i had been living in thailand for more than a year, so inconsistency rules ok.

That's actually the rules - I think it's 6 weeks. I had a cousin who lived in Spain and if there was ever a phonecall he would be 'out' and the message passed on so he could phone back. He has serious health issues and flew back once a month to get his blood checked and medications. It was wrong, and I told him so, my mother is less than GBP2 over the limit to get free stuff because dad paid into a pension fund rather than drinking the money away. She has to pay tax on that - not much, but he was budging and people like my mam pay for him.

If the doctors don't know you're overseas it's not a problem, but if they find out they can (should) refuse treatment. Most people go under the radar. We had to go to A&E last year with a nasty cut - they had our records on the computer with our old address, we left UK in 1987 when records weren't even computerised. We were honest enough to tell them that we don't live in England but use mother in law's address for mailing, but they didn't seem bothered. I think anyone in any circumstance can go to A&E and get sorted out. I'm sure I read somewhere that they can't turn people away from A&E no matter who they are.

PS - For Admin; I really don't like the new system of quoting.

[super22k]

Sorry Doppa.T am a Sunderland supporter.

[chiang mai]

If you return to the UK and say that you intend to remain permanently you will recieve all treatment free of charge.

If you are an emergency case you will recieve all treatment free of charge regardless of your nationality or status there.

If you are over 65 you will recieve all treatement free of charge.

Edited April 24, 2013 by chiang mai

[Konini]

Sorry Doppa.T am a Sunderland supporter.

Surely we can't be the only Smogies here

[hellodolly]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

I repeat what kind of quality care medically speaking are you going to get in 10 minutes?

That is not even enough time to figure out if the doctor even has a degree.

I understand not having enough doctors to serve every one in a timely fashion as in Canada they lack enough doctors to do a proper job. But they do give you more time if it is needed. It is not uncommon to show up on time for an appointment only to find out the doctor has not been able to pump them out every 10 minutes and you wind up in a first come first serve situation.

But they are not afraid to prescribe medication if needed.

Why is that such a big fear in England?

[MESmith]

Doppa - I see David Cameron is considering a temporary withdrawal from the European human rights convention in order to finally remove Abu Qatada from Britain........what's the reaction there?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313511/PM-losing-patience-human-rights-court-Qatada-wins-Cameron-considers-temporary-withdrawal-finally-remove-hate-preacher.html

Couldn't he "catch rabies" or something. Save a lot of hassle

Not referring to Cameron....

Or are the times of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" over in PC UK?

Edited April 24, 2013 by MESmith

[chiang mai]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

I repeat what kind of quality care medically speaking are you going to get in 10 minutes?

That is not even enough time to figure out if the doctor even has a degree.

I understand not having enough doctors to serve every one in a timely fashion as in Canada they lack enough doctors to do a proper job. But they do give you more time if it is needed. It is not uncommon to show up on time for an appointment only to find out the doctor has not been able to pump them out every 10 minutes and you wind up in a first come first serve situation.

But they are not afraid to prescribe medication if needed.

Why is that such a big fear in England?

When visiting a doctor in the UK you will get as long as you need, in practise it doesn't take that long for a patient to tell a doctor what the problem is and for the doctor to figure out next steps - have you ever timed how long your visit to a doctor in Thailand takes (cutting out any of the associated cr*p of, how are you, war stories etc etc)?

And the time taken to write a prescription is under one minute, if it needs to be prescribed it will be, end of!

[hellodolly]

Its a worry for a lot of Expats having to go back. Your boy is your life as you say and he will make it all worth while. Yours is a common view held by many ecpats who do actually love living in Thailand.. I would miss the freedom I have here. The weather and still how cheap it can be if you avoid the excess of beer and lady drinkies.. I have been here 11 years and hopefully will stay to the end! But not 100% sure I will be able to.

Hi George - Thrush here - you are right mate stay there as long as you can. It's hard after a while to appreciate the freedom you have in LOS unless you return here and are battered by political correctness everywhere. Had to come back for the sake of the little one, and the fact that in LOS they put my health insurance premiums up by 300+ %.

The worst thing here is the cold. It gets into your bones and then life can be pretty miserable. Still I get lots of laughs on this forum reading the comments on most topics - the best comedy forum on the internet!!

In spite of the whinging,everyone knows when it's time to go home and get some free treatment,on that terrible NHS Service!

Most apparently not all know enough to leave at least a week early.

[doppa]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

I repeat what kind of quality care medically speaking are you going to get in 10 minutes?

That is not even enough time to figure out if the doctor even has a degree.

I understand not having enough doctors to serve every one in a timely fashion as in Canada they lack enough doctors to do a proper job. But they do give you more time if it is needed. It is not uncommon to show up on time for an appointment only to find out the doctor has not been able to pump them out every 10 minutes and you wind up in a first come first serve situation.

But they are not afraid to prescribe medication if needed.

Why is that such a big fear in England?

When visiting a doctor in the UK you will get as long as you need, in practise it doesn't take that long for a patient to tell a doctor what the problem is and for the doctor to figure out next steps - have you ever timed how long your visit to a doctor in Thailand takes (cutting out any of the associated cr*p of, how are you, war stories etc etc)?

And the time taken to write a prescription is under one minute, if it needs to be prescribed it will be, end of!

sorry that's not true, at my medical centre a patient is allocated 10mins, if you need more time you have to book a double appointment, which if it's a specific doctor that you want, well it could take a couple of weeks.

my last appointment was scheduled in at 9.40, i actually got to see him at 10.25.

[doppa]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

I repeat what kind of quality care medically speaking are you going to get in 10 minutes?

That is not even enough time to figure out if the doctor even has a degree.

I understand not having enough doctors to serve every one in a timely fashion as in Canada they lack enough doctors to do a proper job. But they do give you more time if it is needed. It is not uncommon to show up on time for an appointment only to find out the doctor has not been able to pump them out every 10 minutes and you wind up in a first come first serve situation.

But they are not afraid to prescribe medication if needed.

Why is that such a big fear in England?

as i discovered only recently, the doctor is responsible for the medication and at what level, if there are problems later, the doc is accountable.

[griffinz]

Any one on here live in klaeng Rayong,,,

[chiang mai]

Remember, don't go along to the Doctor with a shopping list. I did that the first time I went to the Doctor in the UK.

After the first item, he may as well pulled a glass door between us.

I insisted in asking him other questions, as was my want, but it didn't do me much good.

I think he labelled me as a troublesome Aussie as the next week I got a letter allocating me to a different doctor in the practice, which I must say was a real achievement as the new Doc & I got on famously.

So much for living on the right side of a street meaning you MUST see doctor A.

Troublesome Aussie

I repeat what kind of quality care medically speaking are you going to get in 10 minutes?

That is not even enough time to figure out if the doctor even has a degree.

I understand not having enough doctors to serve every one in a timely fashion as in Canada they lack enough doctors to do a proper job. But they do give you more time if it is needed. It is not uncommon to show up on time for an appointment only to find out the doctor has not been able to pump them out every 10 minutes and you wind up in a first come first serve situation.

But they are not afraid to prescribe medication if needed.

Why is that such a big fear in England?

When visiting a doctor in the UK you will get as long as you need, in practise it doesn't take that long for a patient to tell a doctor what the problem is and for the doctor to figure out next steps - have you ever timed how long your visit to a doctor in Thailand takes (cutting out any of the associated cr*p of, how are you, war stories etc etc)?

And the time taken to write a prescription is under one minute, if it needs to be prescribed it will be, end of!

sorry that's not true, at my medical centre a patient is allocated 10mins, if you need more time you have to book a double appointment, which if it's a specific doctor that you want, well it could take a couple of weeks.

my last appointment was scheduled in at 9.40, i actually got to see him at 10.25.

Sorry but that is true and the proof that it is is in your reply, you were 45 minutes late for your recent appointment because the people before you needed longer consultations, doubtless if you needed longer than 10 minutes you would not have been told midsentance, "opps, sorry Dopa times up, you have to leave, go book another appointment"! The ten minute rule is for planning purposes only.

[Konini]

That's interesting, I always thought that they were penny-pinching.

as i discovered only recently, the doctor is responsible for the medication and at what level, if there are problems later, the doc is accountable.

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[chiang mai]

That's interesting, I always thought that they were penny-pinching.

as i discovered only recently, the doctor is responsible for the medication and at what level, if there are problems later, the doc is accountable.

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Most of it is budget driven, especially by the PCT's.

[Raybo]

Doppa, It seems that Obummer has chosen to go the way of the UK as far as healthcare is concerned.

He has been heading us down the Socialism path since being elected. (Not by me)

The Honarable Mrs. Thatcher once said, "The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to give to those on the dole."

Obummer has us with a 14 trillion dollar national debt. If you add all the ex-Presidents deficits from Wahington to Bush Jr.,

It doesn't equal 14 trillion.

As far as HR is concerned, the telephone or Skype interview seems to be the first step with job hunting nowadays.

My son had 2 phone interviews and finally made a fact to face and was hired. He was on The Deans list 3 of 4 years and had

A great CV.

I hope that one day we can get back to personal responsibility. Noone minds helping the truly needy and the disabled,

But welfare money, housing assistance, food stamps, medicaid,and other giveaways is why we are in the financial state we are

In.

I worked 47 years for my healthcare and pension and paid taxes on it then, but Obummer wants to tax me intonthe grave.

If he taxes my manhood, he want get muc there!

Chulai 6768

[doppa]

Doppa, It seems that Obummer has chosen to go the way of the UK as far as healthcare is concerned.

He has been heading us down the Socialism path since being elected. (Not by me)

The Honarable Mrs. Thatcher once said, "The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to give to those on the dole."

Obummer has us with a 14 trillion dollar national debt. If you add all the ex-Presidents deficits from Wahington to Bush Jr.,

It doesn't equal 14 trillion.

As far as HR is concerned, the telephone or Skype interview seems to be the first step with job hunting nowadays.

My son had 2 phone interviews and finally made a fact to face and was hired. He was on The Deans list 3 of 4 years and had

A great CV.

I hope that one day we can get back to personal responsibility. Noone minds helping the truly needy and the disabled,

But welfare money, housing assistance, food stamps, medicaid,and other giveaways is why we are in the financial state we are

In.

I worked 47 years for my healthcare and pension and paid taxes on it then, but Obummer wants to tax me intonthe grave.

If he taxes my manhood, he want get muc there!

Chulai 6768

well take a hard good look at our NHS figure out the good from bad and start from there.

personal responsibility will never make a comeback in my lifetime, i guess that's one of the major misses of thailand, but inevitability this will also change,so those who can enjoy it before it does.