Suspected Englishman Pedophile Arrested In Pattaya

[kathyjune]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

[kathyjune]

Please excuse my poor typing skills.

[creation2474]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

I can forgive. Why cannot you?

In the Middle Ages it was the witches who was hunted. Later it was the homosexuals. And become divorced was frowned seriously upon only 50 years ago. Today we now better. Or at least think we think we do. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years from today, we accept some kind of sexual relationship with minors. 100 years ago noone would have imagined that people 100 years later would accept gays like anyone else. You were obliged to keep it a secret and in public show contempt ti it.

The human race needs to hunt someone. Have always been so, and presumably will always be so. At least as long as, the many people commenting this thread demeaning those humans, are representing the majority of the species called humans.

It would certainly be a lot more interesting to try to understand and discuss why such thing is happening. And what the consequenses for the children involved would be. And why the consequenses would be so. See, that would be a bit intelligent. Why do people not understand that it pledges to be a human. Only through forgiveness we can develop our humanity and level of conscienceness. Will we do that? Will (can) we learn from him? Or do we choose the brutish manners and direction of involution? Because that is what you are doing.

Best wishes.

[Mobi]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

I can forgive. Why cannot you? In the Middle Ages it was the witches who was hunted. Later it was the homosexuals. And become divorced was frowned seriously upon only 50 years ago. Today we now better. Or at least think we think we do. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years from today, we accept some kind of sexual relationship with minors. 100 years ago noone would have imagined that people 100 years later would accept gays like anyone else. You were obliged to keep it a secret and in public show contempt ti it.

The human race needs to hunt someone. Have always been so, and presumably will always be so. At least as long as, the many people commenting this thread demeaning those humans, are representing the majority of the species called humans.

It would certainly be a lot more interesting to try to understand and discuss why such thing is happening. And what the consequenses for the children involved would be. And why the consequenses would be so. See, that would be a bit intelligent. Why do people not understand that it pledges to be a human. Only through forgiveness we can develop our humanity and level of conscienceness. Will we do that? Will (can) we learn from him? Or do we choose the brutish manners and direction of involution? Because that is what you are doing.

Best wishes.

Because it happened to my daughter when she was eight. She is now 20 and is still not over it. She had serious problems throughout her teens, including bouts of self harming which nearly killed her. She suffers seriously from depression and will never forget what happened to her all those years ago. I doubt she will ever be truly happy with herself or with life.

I'm sorry, but I've never knowingly flamed anyone on this forum, and I try to respect all opposing views, but you are one sick bastard and your irresponsible post is disgusting!

I am quite willing to be banned on this matter.

[Artisan]

I can forgive. Why cannot you?

In the Middle Ages it was the witches who was hunted. Later it was the homosexuals. And become divorced was frowned seriously upon only 50 years ago. Today we now better. Or at least think we think we do. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years from today, we accept some kind of sexual relationship with minors. 100 years ago noone would have imagined that people 100 years later would accept gays like anyone else. You were obliged to keep it a secret and in public show contempt ti it.

The human race needs to hunt someone. Have always been so, and presumably will always be so. At least as long as, the many people commenting this thread demeaning those humans, are representing the majority of the species called humans.

It would certainly be a lot more interesting to try to understand and discuss why such thing is happening. And what the consequenses for the children involved would be. And why the consequenses would be so. See, that would be a bit intelligent. Why do people not understand that it pledges to be a human. Only through forgiveness we can develop our humanity and level of conscienceness. Will we do that? Will (can) we learn from him? Or do we choose the brutish manners and direction of involution? Because that is what you are doing.

Best wishes.

This is the most outrageous, perverted and sanctimonious post that I have ever had the misfortune to read on any TV Forum. And, you have the impertinance to close with 'Best wishes'.

Also, Mr/Mrs/Ms Creation 2474, to enlighten your holier-than-thou attitude, have a look at Deuteronomy 27:20 - 23 and you'll see that paedophilia is singled out for special cursing by God.

Best wishes to you too.

[Mobi]

There may be a pedophile that has posted on this board. They can appear to be quite normal. They can be intelligent and terrific liars. They live in fear of getting caught but they can't stop their addiction.

kathyjune, do you think we may have found him. ?

[Jai Dee]

I am quite willing to be banned on this matter.

No need for that Mobi D'Ark... your outrage IMPO is justified.

Maybe creation2474 could elaborate on what grounds compassion and forgiveness should be given to paedophiles?

Just a gentle reminder to all, topics about paedophiles usually raise quite a few peoples hackles, and lively disussion occurs. Please don't let this deteriorate into a flame-fest OK?

[donkeykong]

The human race needs to hunt someone.

You!

Target... Denmark.

Target... Copenhagen.

Getting closer.....

Edited March 24, 2006 by donkeykong

[gburns57au]

Initially what creation said was right....what was not acceptable 100 years ago is quite acceptable now and so things maybe different again in 100 years further on....the point is that this is not acceptable now and therefore will be penalised by the laws of today.

If a person commits and is convicted of a crime against kids then they get punished by the laws of today....if that requires a lengthy jail term then so be it...If they address their problems while in custody and do not re offend on release then they are welcome to re join society. Many of these people (In Oz anyway) will be placed on a sex offenders register which will place certain restrictions on them for a long period of time after their release. This means that they are being punished long after the sentence is served. This doesnt happen to any other offender of other laws.

If a victim or the family of a victim wish to forgive the offender at some time then it is the choice of those people...understandably not everyone will feel the same way.

So Creation, unless you are a victim or the family of a victim, you havent been through the pain and anguish that others like Mobi have....and therefore perhaps you should hold your charitable views to yourself in public forums where such an emotive discussion is being held...I dont deny you your right to your views or your right to air your views....but perhaps in this case discretion is the better path to take.

[Mobi]

Initially what creation said was right....what was not acceptable 100 years ago is quite acceptable now and so things maybe different again in 100 years further on....the point is that this is not acceptable now and therefore will be penalised by the laws of today.

THank you Burnsey for your conciliatory post; it is appreciated.

I really don't want to get involved in a heavy argument on this but with all due respect, this business of the law might change in 100 years time is a bit spurious, to say the least

If we follow what you and creation are saying to its logical conclusion, it may also be possible that such modern day crimes as robbery, physical assault, rape, murder. drug trafficking etc may be looked upon in a different light in 100 years time.

All these crimes do temporary or permanent damage to its victims, and in the case of murder, very permanent. The victims will all suffer as a result of the crime

It is totally accepted by all the relevant experts that there is severe damage to the minds of paedophile's vicims, and there are literally thousands of victims who have attested to the long term suffering they have endured as a result of sexual abuse. So why should this temporary or permanent damage to victims change in 100 years time? No more than the suffering could change for the victims of murder and other crimes against society, such as those mentioned above.

Nobody suffers as the result of activities between consensual gays. There are no victims. So as civililisation has progressed, this has been recognised as such.

And to compare the change in the law on divorce to the crime of abusing under age children is really stretching credibilty.

I'm sorry, but I think our friend may have more than an outragous argument up his sleeve.

Edited March 24, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark

[gburns57au]

Now I am following you Mobi....

Sometimes the law does change over the years for the better not for the worse....for instance in the "80's in Oz if a girl between 13 and 16 was sexually assaulted then prosecution must have began within 3 months of the assault being reported.... The theory was that at that age the girl must have realised that it was wrong, whereas a girl under 13 may not have realised this. This law didnt cover males of the same age. Nowadays this limitation has been removed and boys have been included.

I would never say that the molestation of minors should ever be made legal....but Creation did make one point...the legal age of a minor may shift by law.

to point....

the drinking age used to be 21yo....now it is 18yo

the age of consent used to be 18yo...now it is 16yo

16 yo's can sign a legal document..before it was 18yo and before that 21 yo

Homosexuality was banned and now it is not, although varying limitations apply.

and that is in the last 50 years.

We may not like it but the laws change all the time...I would hope that it never became legal to engage in sex with anyone under the age of the current laws.

Graham

[zzap]

That puts it into perspective, but doesn't change the severity of the crime based on today's society's being and standards.

While I feel rather disgusted by the explicit and primitive kind of punishments people usually propose in these topics, I find it equally inappropriate and insensitive to ask for "forgiveness" and trying to relativise what happened.

Pedophiles need to be treated as both: criminals and ill people, forgiveness is something only the victim could give, and probably only after decades of dealing with the trauma, if at all.

[Mobi]

All your points are accepted, Graham.

But its completely ridiculous, (and I would suggest out of order) to hypothosise that sex with children under the age of ten would ever become legal - even in a thousand years time, let alone a hundred.

I still think our friend has a malevolent, apologist agenda.

He is suggesting that one day we will all be 'civilised ' and mature enough to accept, and not condemn paedophiles. Therefor, lets not be too hard on the evil bastard, as he's just a poor misunderstood human being, in the same way that gays and adulterers used to be.

Edited March 24, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark

[gburns57au]

That puts it into perspective, but doesn't change the severity of the crime based on today's society's being and standards.

While I feel rather disgusted by the explicit and primitive kind of punishments people usually propose in these topics, I find it equally inappropriate and insensitive to ask for "forgiveness" and trying to relativise what happened.

Pedophiles need to be treated as both: criminals and ill people, forgiveness is something only the victim could give, and probably only after decades of dealing with the trauma, if at all.

For once we agree....

[kathyjune]

Forgiving and forgetting are two different things. I am getting professional help with the forgiving part. Forget ? - never. I know who it is. My child has suffered greatly at his hands. Her life will never be the same while he continues to pursue other young children. I have lived thru it. If you lived thru it you can't trully understand the feelings that it brings. Pedophile try to justify their behavior as "loving" kids - Michael Jackson for one. It is the wrong kind of love. My child nearly died because of what was done to her. You won't change my mind. The man should be locked up. I don't calim to be perfect so find me guilty of not being able to eaily forgive. Don't judge until you have walked in someone'e shoes yourself - especially my daughter's shoes. She was much younger than eight - the best that the professionals can tell.

Edited March 24, 2006 by kathyjune

[creation2474]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

I can forgive. Why cannot you? In the Middle Ages it was the witches who was hunted. Later it was the homosexuals. And become divorced was frowned seriously upon only 50 years ago. Today we now better. Or at least think we think we do. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years from today, we accept some kind of sexual relationship with minors. 100 years ago noone would have imagined that people 100 years later would accept gays like anyone else. You were obliged to keep it a secret and in public show contempt ti it.

The human race needs to hunt someone. Have always been so, and presumably will always be so. At least as long as, the many people commenting this thread demeaning those humans, are representing the majority of the species called humans.

It would certainly be a lot more interesting to try to understand and discuss why such thing is happening. And what the consequenses for the children involved would be. And why the consequenses would be so. See, that would be a bit intelligent. Why do people not understand that it pledges to be a human. Only through forgiveness we can develop our humanity and level of conscienceness. Will we do that? Will (can) we learn from him? Or do we choose the brutish manners and direction of involution? Because that is what you are doing.

Best wishes.

Because it happened to my daughter when she was eight. She is now 20 and is still not over it. She had serious problems throughout her teens, including bouts of self harming which nearly killed her. She suffers seriously from depression and will never forget what happened to her all those years ago. I doubt she will ever be truly happy with herself or with life.

I'm sorry, but I've never knowingly flamed anyone on this forum, and I try to respect all opposing views, but you are one sick bastard and your irresponsible post is disgusting!

I am quite willing to be banned on this matter.

I forgive you your behaviour to me ;-)

[creation2474]

I am quite willing to be banned on this matter.

No need for that Mobi D'Ark... your outrage IMPO is justified.

Maybe creation2474 could elaborate on what grounds compassion and forgiveness should be given to paedophiles?

Just a gentle reminder to all, topics about paedophiles usually raise quite a few peoples hackles, and lively disussion occurs. Please don't let this deteriorate into a flame-fest OK?

Why not forgive?

It is all up to every single human to forgive or not. But it is so, that you must take responsibility for your own feelings towards another human being. This means, that if you fell strong hate against another person, you will have to carry that hate in your heart. And that is actually what is making you feel bad. Your own hate. If one needs to carry that hate throughout his life then it must be so.

But my advise would always be to work hard towards forgiveness. I have done that myself. And succeeded very well.

[creation2474]

I can forgive. Why cannot you?

In the Middle Ages it was the witches who was hunted. Later it was the homosexuals. And become divorced was frowned seriously upon only 50 years ago. Today we now better. Or at least think we think we do. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years from today, we accept some kind of sexual relationship with minors. 100 years ago noone would have imagined that people 100 years later would accept gays like anyone else. You were obliged to keep it a secret and in public show contempt ti it.

The human race needs to hunt someone. Have always been so, and presumably will always be so. At least as long as, the many people commenting this thread demeaning those humans, are representing the majority of the species called humans.

It would certainly be a lot more interesting to try to understand and discuss why such thing is happening. And what the consequenses for the children involved would be. And why the consequenses would be so. See, that would be a bit intelligent. Why do people not understand that it pledges to be a human. Only through forgiveness we can develop our humanity and level of conscienceness. Will we do that? Will (can) we learn from him? Or do we choose the brutish manners and direction of involution? Because that is what you are doing.

Best wishes.

This is the most outrageous, perverted and sanctimonious post that I have ever had the misfortune to read on any TV Forum. And, you have the impertinance to close with 'Best wishes'.

Also, Mr/Mrs/Ms Creation 2474, to enlighten your holier-than-thou attitude, have a look at Deuteronomy 27:20 - 23 and you'll see that paedophilia is singled out for special cursing by God.

Best wishes to you too.

Tell me: why is what i have written outragerous and perverted? Explain, please.

[creation2474]

The human race needs to hunt someone.

You!

Target... Denmark.

Target... Copenhagen.

Getting closer.....

If it really means a lot for you to hunt me, I am willing to give you my adress.

[creation2474]

There may be a pedophile that has posted on this board. They can appear to be quite normal. They can be intelligent and terrific liars. They live in fear of getting caught but they can't stop their addiction.

kathyjune, do you think we may have found him. ?

No you have not found him. And I have not been a victim of a paedophile in my childhood. However I have a male friend who was abused by both a woman and a man. I know the likelihood that your reaction will not be of a very reasonable kind when I tell you this, but I can tell you, that as far as he knows, he have not have problems with the proven fact, that he was abused as a child.

[Mobi]

There may be a pedophile that has posted on this board. They can appear to be quite normal. They can be intelligent and terrific liars. They live in fear of getting caught but they can't stop their addiction.

kathyjune, do you think we may have found him. ?

No you have not found him. And I have not been a victim of a paedophile in my childhood. However I have a male friend who was abused by both a woman and a man. I know the likelihood that your reaction will not be of a very reasonable kind when I tell you this, but I can tell you, that as far as he knows, he have not have problems with the proven fact, that he was abused as a child.

You can forgive because allegedly you have a friend who was allegedly abused and allegedly has not suffered as a consequence.

So that gives you the right to tell others whose children have suffered untold harm and have had their lives ruined by paedophiles that they should also forgive,

You forgive me for calling you a s...b.....after you suggested the law may one day look favourably on the sexual abuse of children.

Thank you very much. Big bloody deal - I feel so much better now.

You really are a very sanctimonious person with a truly perveted sense of values.

I'm not convinced we haven't found him.

[Chopper]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

I forgive you your behaviour to me ;-)

Even someone with an ounce of intelligence would not would fail to see that your words are the epitome of condescending. Such a serious subject yet you treat it so lightly. I wonder why?

[Artisan]

If it really means a lot for you to hunt me, I am willing to give you my adress.

OK pal, put your money where your mouth is and tell us where you are.

Edited March 25, 2006 by Artisan

[creation2474]

Initially what creation said was right....what was not acceptable 100 years ago is quite acceptable now and so things maybe different again in 100 years further on....the point is that this is not acceptable now and therefore will be penalised by the laws of today.

THank you Burnsey for your conciliatory post; it is appreciated.

I really don't want to get involved in a heavy argument on this but with all due respect, this business of the law might change in 100 years time is a bit spurious, to say the least

If we follow what you and creation are saying to its logical conclusion, it may also be possible that such modern day crimes as robbery, physical assault, rape, murder. drug trafficking etc may be looked upon in a different light in 100 years time.

All these crimes do temporary or permanent damage to its victims, and in the case of murder, very permanent. The victims will all suffer as a result of the crime

It is totally accepted by all the relevant experts that there is severe damage to the minds of paedophile's vicims, and there are literally thousands of victims who have attested to the long term suffering they have endured as a result of sexual abuse. So why should this temporary or permanent damage to victims change in 100 years time? No more than the suffering could change for the victims of murder and other crimes against society, such as those mentioned above.

Nobody suffers as the result of activities between consensual gays. There are no victims. So as civililisation has progressed, this has been recognised as such.

And to compare the change in the law on divorce to the crime of abusing under age children is really stretching credibilty.

I'm sorry, but I think our friend may have more than an outragous argument up his sleeve.

1: Define paedophilia. Experts on this area have serious problems creating such definition.

You say, that other crimes have always been, and will always be, criminal. I agree. What I am trying to say is, that maybe out perception of the whole thing is going to change. Hopefully it will. And I must remind you, that all sexual relationships between a child and an adult are different. Some paedophiles use threats to the child, some use compulsion, some hurt them physically another way than directly related to the sexual area, some relationships only involve the sexual act, etc.

2: No, I am afraid to say, that it is not a totally accepted fact among experts, that a sexual relationship to a person aged e.g. 8 or 10 years old makes severe damage to the child. You are wrong. For your own help, I would suggest that you search the internet for documentary proof.

The reports I have read, concluding that a sexual relationship between a child and an adult does not nescessarily damage the child's mind (made by experts), have actually made serious problems for the law preparations, because it from a legally point of view simply cannot be legal to have sex with minors, for obviously reasons. But not necessarily for human reasons.

3: For some reason, it looks like people inhere are forgetting/overlooking my most important message: why don't we try to discuss what problems such relationship entail, in order to understand? As I said before: only through forgiveness (not feeling hate i.e. working with our feelings - yes it is very possible) one can understand. Only through comprehension and consciouscess one can forgive.

Remember: to forgive means letting bad feelings go. It does not mean that a bad thing is no longer bad. It is still bad. You just don't hate it anymore. If a human can learn this, he has, in my eyes, achieved/learned maybe the most important skill possible.

4: I used the facts about the changings in the laws about divorce simply as an example to show that perceptions can change. Actually, any changes in the law could have been used. My point was just, that absolutely nonne would have been able to imagine or admit that it is ok to divorce in Denmark, 100 years ago. We simply cannot imagine, how our perception will develop.

5: I quote: "... i think our friend have more than an outragerous argument up his sleeve". Which one should that be? Explain, please.

6: It is all up to you whether you choose to repel yourself from me, but a fact is, that it makes it more difficult for you to develop this issue in yourself, than it really needs to. Find the guts to hug this subject, it will not only help you, it will help your daughter too. Distantation does not help. And being hysterican and malicious does not help too. And you cannot hit me with it. I am far above that level.

[creation2474]

There may be a pedophile that has posted on this board. They can appear to be quite normal. They can be intelligent and terrific liars. They live in fear of getting caught but they can't stop their addiction.

kathyjune, do you think we may have found him. ?

No you have not found him. And I have not been a victim of a paedophile in my childhood. However I have a male friend who was abused by both a woman and a man. I know the likelihood that your reaction will not be of a very reasonable kind when I tell you this, but I can tell you, that as far as he knows, he have not have problems with the proven fact, that he was abused as a child.

You can forgive because allegedly you have a friend who was allegedly abused and allegedly has not suffered as a consequence.

So that gives you the right to tell others whose children have suffered untold harm and have had their lives ruined by paedophiles that they should also forgive,

You forgive me for calling you a s...b.....after you suggested the law may one day look favourably on the sexual abuse of children.

Thank you very much. Big bloody deal - I feel so much better now.

You really are a very sanctimonious person with a truly perveted sense of values.

I'm not convinced we haven't found him.

1: "You can forgive me for..." I do not agree in that statement. I have nothing to forgive because I have never been abused.

2: "So that gives..." Does it give you the right to tell the opposite? Why? How?

3: "You really are..." Please tell me why my values are perverted? And which values.

[creation2474]

Well, I guess that there are a lot of sick people around. What if it were you child?

I forgive you your behaviour to me ;-)

Even someone with an ounce of intelligence would not would fail to see that your words are the epitome of condescending. Such a serious subject yet you treat it so lightly. I wonder why?

How can you know it is condescending? Explain, please.

[Patsycat]

I have read the last 2 pages of this thread and I think my jaw hit the floor so many times i may have broken it.

My heart goes out to you Kathy and Mobi for what your children and families have been through. It has happened to friends of mine who are now in their 40's and they are still suffering - but are able to talk about it.

Mr/Mrs/Ms Creation - no comment would express the disgust i feel.

[wilko]

Why is it that every time a paedophile is arrested that we have to have this endless stream of outrage and condemnation?

I'm rather perturbed that so many people on this site have an urge to write in and distance themselves form the crime by suggesting equally perverted punishments.

What in reality is their motivation. Do we need this?

Why bother? Is it relevant to the aims of this site?

If they want to read all about it for whatever reason can't they go and buy a paper or something?

Please, couldn't we keep this endlessly repeated slease of the site all together?

Edited March 25, 2006 by wilko

[PeaceBlondie]

Mobi d'Ark has made a direct, personal, public, libelous accusation against someone, of being a pedophile, someone he apparently does not know.

If it's up to me as a moderator, I'll suspend Mobi's posting privileges for as long as I can. Nothing gets my blood pressure up faster than this kind of criminal, immoral, perverted behavior on Mobi's part. Unless, of course, Mobi has incontrovertible evidence and proof that the accused is guilty of the crime.

Because I get too emotional about these things, I'll give the other moderators time to act or advise.

[Artisan]

And you cannot hit me with it. I am far above that level.

What does this mean? Are you above feeling repulsion against these abnormal people, these variants, who bring so much hurt to a family and are you above feeling sympathy and sorrow for the victims and families of paedophiles?

Mobi and KathyJune, this guy is exhibiting all the traits of being hypercritically devout. He is sanctimonious, deluded and holier-than-thou and is actually attempting to justify sexual contact with children. Is that perverted or is it not? Certainly, he is not a religious person although his preachings make me think that he is trying to convey to us that he is.