Pornthip Loses Director Job At Forensic-Science Agency

[newermonkey]

Is that the weirdo with the red hair? anyone?

[Frank James]

I've had a bad crush on her for some time. Please transfer her to Chiang mai!

[captspectre]

They've been trying to do it for years. She's a feisty old gal, they don't like her because she's a woman and doesn't take their crap.

she is also much smarter than the average thai man! as most women are! the thai man is lazy, likes his booze and is prone to corruption! not my opinion, FACT!

[Thai at Heart]

They've been trying to do it for years. She's a feisty old gal, they don't like her because she's a woman and doesn't take their crap.

she is also much smarter than the average thai man! as most women are! the thai man is lazy, likes his booze and is prone to corruption! not my opinion, FACT!

She might be smarter than average, but anyone who puts their name to that ridiculous GT 200 has some very serious credibility issues. Yes she did try to take on the police in her investigations, but that is hardly the hardest thing in the world to do.

Beyond that she was part of the CRES in 2010. What the hell was she thinking? If you read up a little on her, she has been used in recent years as an army sponsored mouthpiece, and I am sorry, but that is just too much.

[gruggrig]

Finally the police empire has won the long battle by successfully kicking Khunying Pornthip out of their way and torturing her by setting her aside as an advisor whom they would never listen to.

I believe her crime is not the GT200, for which she lays her trust too much upon Army's approval, but it is in her work that outperforms police's and shines light on their incompetency and wrongdoings. Look at the court case summary as an example, in the troubled south for several years 99% of charges on sabotage did not reach verdict. In spite of forensic evidence being collected the police simply ignored them.

Live longer and you guys will find that eventually all forensic task falls into the hand of the police and police only. How much trust you have in them these days?

BTW I see on this board so much discussion about GT 200, why?

[chrisinth]

Not red enough? Someone is trying to bury her under the bus.

Yep, the lady is an independent thinker. To bad she's too intelligent to be in the government.

Not red enough? I kinda think it gives her a bit more color.

I'd rather have dinner with her than another famous Thai woman.

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She is a fraud and a charlatan and though much admired by ignorant foreigners should have been removed long ago.

After graduating medical college she sat for the USA exams, then gained a residency training position at walter reade hospital, USA. Did a lot of forensic work often contradicting police (proving them wrong) Has been sued by police. OK, she may have been involved in the bomb detectors but it does not nullify the positive contributions.

By the way, when did you graduate medical college and where di you do your residency training?

The line that troubles me in your post is:

"OK, she may have been involved in the bomb detectors but it does not nullify the positive contributions."

I understand forensics are after the fact (ie, she never saved anyone in her work) but, if guilty of endorsing the GT 200, the number of peoples lives she has put at un-necessary risk in that action is unforgivable.

It would only increase the number of forensic examinations......................

[unanimosity]

I think that before we start to hang draw and quarter the lady we should remember that we (including the most informed TV poster has little knowledge on the case) and that without the constant nagging and complaining of Pornthip Rojanasunan, Criminal Forensic Science would probably still not exist here in Thailand!

Will this help your analysis of this issue??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand

"She noted, “I do not feel embarrassed if the bomb detector is proven ineffective. Personally, I have never handled the device myself. But my people have used it and it is accurate every time. Long long time ago, people believed that the Earth is flat and anyone who said otherwise faced execution. Things which are not visible does not necessarily mean they do not exist.”

The question is, why would a forensics director be involved in procuring military equipment?

[Thai at Heart]

Finally the police empire has won the long battle by successfully kicking Khunying Pornthip out of their way and torturing her by setting her aside as an advisor whom they would never listen to.

I believe her crime is not the GT200, for which she lays her trust too much upon Army's approval, but it is in her work that outperforms police's and shines light on their incompetency and wrongdoings. Look at the court case summary as an example, in the troubled south for several years 99% of charges on sabotage did not reach verdict. In spite of forensic evidence being collected the police simply ignored them.

Live longer and you guys will find that eventually all forensic task falls into the hand of the police and police only. How much trust you have in them these days?

BTW I see on this board so much discussion about GT 200, why?

You do realise for example that she has been used by the army to "investigate" the boats being used by Rohingya to get into Thailand, and that her conclusion was that there were traces of explosives on the boat?

Now when you are dealing with an insurgency down there, and you have the armed forces dealing with refugees by towing them out to sea,(but apparently having some parts of the armed forces enabling this refugee trade for money) it is a rather convenient explanation as to why you would be so inhumane as to drag boats out to sea and disable them.

She has dug herself a massive hole by politicising herself. She has become a charlatan.

[unanimosity]

They've been trying to do it for years. She's a feisty old gal, they don't like her because she's a woman and doesn't take their crap.

she is also much smarter than the average thai man! as most women are! the thai man is lazy, likes his booze and is prone to corruption! not my opinion, FACT!

She might be smarter than average, but anyone who puts their name to that ridiculous GT 200 has some very serious credibility issues. Yes she did try to take on the police in her investigations, but that is hardly the hardest thing in the world to do.

Beyond that she was part of the CRES in 2010. What the hell was she thinking? If you read up a little on her, she has been used in recent years as an army sponsored mouthpiece, and I am sorry, but that is just too much.

Where is the evidence of her being smart? Is this rumor or fact? As for being professional, when Seh Daeng was assassinated she let the crime scene go cold.

[whybother]

Where is the evidence of her being smart? Is this rumor or fact? As for being professional, when Seh Daeng was assassinated she let the crime scene go cold.

Right. As if she's going to waltz in behind red shirt barricades with bullets and grenades flying around and investigate a crime scene.

[Thai at Heart]

They've been trying to do it for years. She's a feisty old gal, they don't like her because she's a woman and doesn't take their crap.

she is also much smarter than the average thai man! as most women are! the thai man is lazy, likes his booze and is prone to corruption! not my opinion, FACT!

She might be smarter than average, but anyone who puts their name to that ridiculous GT 200 has some very serious credibility issues. Yes she did try to take on the police in her investigations, but that is hardly the hardest thing in the world to do.

Beyond that she was part of the CRES in 2010. What the hell was she thinking? If you read up a little on her, she has been used in recent years as an army sponsored mouthpiece, and I am sorry, but that is just too much.

Where is the evidence of her being smart? Is this rumor or fact? As for being professional, when Seh Daeng was assassinated she let the crime scene go cold.

I somehow she wouldn't have been very welcome behind the lines at that protest. Do you think she was going to investigate an army sniper head shot anyway? She investigates what she is told to investigate.

There is no evidence of her being smarter or not smarter than the average, she passed and got qualified. She somehow got involved in a case in Malaysia of all places, and caused a huge stink down there too.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Thai at Heart

[SOTIRIOS]

.another one of these things the present government insisted they WON'T do.....cabinet shuffle....

...so just do it by bits and pieces....then, of course...they did not lie........

[Magic8ball]

Som na na......She deserves to go down in flames after selling her soul to the devil on the bomb scanner scandal. She appears to be a smart woman ,not sure how the Thai " generals" got her to endorse the GT-200 while they themselves were in hot water. Curious if it was by money , or by arm twisting.

Either way, she hung herself out to dry. Sort of sad, as her reputation prior to the scandal was perfect, she was considered to be one of the most honest people in Thailand. Oh well, everyone has their price.... :-(

what did she have to do with the scanners?Nothing.The idiots are looking for a scapegoat.

Signs point to yes

[exona]

I use to like her too, before the Tsunami. She totally botched that up. At first refusing all foreign offers of help she set out with a bunch of medical students to colect DNA. What scientific procedures did they use? Mi Pen Rai 101. Kids were taking muliply samples with one cotton wool stick thingy you use to clean your ears with. After about 3 months she was finally convinced to move over and let the professionals take over, in this case the AFP. They got a hell of a shock when they went to open up the refigration containers that had been storing the deceased and were hit by a tsunami of bodily fluid. The tools had turned off the electricity!!!

[weka]

I use to like her too, before the Tsunami. She totally botched that up. At first refusing all foreign offers of help she set out with a bunch of medical students to colect DNA. What scientific procedures did they use? Mi Pen Rai 101. Kids were taking muliply samples with one cotton wool stick thingy you use to clean your ears with. After about 3 months she was finally convinced to move over and let the professionals take over, in this case the AFP. They got a hell of a shock when they went to open up the refigration containers that had been storing the deceased and were hit by a tsunami of bodily fluid. The tools had turned off the electricity!!!

Yep, I heard this from Aus Embassy staff down there - a complete botch up

[kblaze]

Her arrogance regarding the GT 200 and the fact that it is likely directly responsible for the deaths of soldiers is unforgivable

[atyclb]

I use to like her too, before the Tsunami. She totally botched that up. At first refusing all foreign offers of help she set out with a bunch of medical students to colect DNA. What scientific procedures did they use? Mi Pen Rai 101. Kids were taking muliply samples with one cotton wool stick thingy you use to clean your ears with. After about 3 months she was finally convinced to move over and let the professionals take over, in this case the AFP. They got a hell of a shock when they went to open up the refigration containers that had been storing the deceased and were hit by a tsunami of bodily fluid. The tools had turned off the electricity!!!

Yep, I heard this from Aus Embassy staff down there - a complete botch up

Anyone living in thailand knows about competence and lack thereof in general. Even if you have an organized, efficient, well trained critical thinking person the chain is as strong as it's weakest link(s) First off the US exams required for entrance into residency training require serious critical/analytical thinking ability in addition to knowledge. Next, the 3 or 4 years in the training are intense and teach a highly organized system and way of thinking in addition to learning facts and getting experience in forensics. Those not up to par are either dismissed or re-mediated til they are "at par".

Based on her background and training and documentary seen I would say she is a competent G7 high function person. Again, if the bomb detector thing is true it is a shock for me also, but does not undo the positives.

Cutting power to refrigerated corpses is not a smart thing to do but likely the majority of the chain are inept.

PS; Porntips hairstyle and demeanor are refreshing in the face of mainstream conservative (boring) doctors.

Edited May 22, 2013 by atyclb

[animatic]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

[Thai at Heart]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

You are probably right, but at the end of the day she should have stood by principal and not got involved with the detector.

[MikeOboe57]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

Dear animatic,

here we have to disagree. Whether she believed or not is not relevant. She chose to proudly sail in "terra incognita" outside her field of expertise by

1. endorsing a device that she was not qualified to

2. simply relying on reports of "her team" which was, most probably equally "qualified" for this endeavour.

So the fact stands that a forensic scientist endorses a device that was actually nothing but a criminal scam for what? To pamper her personal vanity? And, even more despicable, she knowingly and willfully endangered military personnel who relied on her name and credibility put behind this gigantic hoax.

So the question is, why did she not do the most obvious and reasonable thing and simply stated: "Sorry, not my field of expertise"? Death threats, blackmail?

[EyesWideOpen]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

Dear animatic,

here we have to disagree. Whether she believed or not is not relevant. She chose to proudly sail in "terra incognita" outside her field of expertise by

1. endorsing a device that she was not qualified to

2. simply relying on reports of "her team" which was, most probably equally "qualified" for this endeavour.

So the fact stands that a forensic scientist endorses a device that was actually nothing but a criminal scam for what? To pamper her personal vanity? And, even more despicable, she knowingly and willfully endangered military personnel who relied on her name and credibility put behind this gigantic hoax.

So the question is, why did she not do the most obvious and reasonable thing and simply stated: "Sorry, not my field of expertise"? Death threats, blackmail?

I agree, and alluded to that in one of my earlier posts on this thread. She seems to be a bright , educated woman, I find it hard to believe that she willingly endorsed an empty plastic box as a great bomb detection device. The army would have had to apply some SERIOUS pressure to assist them in their scam with the GT 200. If she was blackmailed or threatened to assist the army, then in fact I would feel sorry for her. But I am pretty sure that fact will not come out anytime soon. If she was simply paid a huge sum to endorse the GT 200, then she certainly deserves whatever happens to her.

Although I certainly admire her anti-police stance, especially the part where she believes a some of the killings performed during Thaksin's war on drugs were in fact performed by the police. A school of belief I like, as I personally witnessed one of the executions during that time period, and it certainly was performed by an off duty policeman.

[Thai at Heart]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

Dear animatic,

here we have to disagree. Whether she believed or not is not relevant. She chose to proudly sail in "terra incognita" outside her field of expertise by

1. endorsing a device that she was not qualified to

2. simply relying on reports of "her team" which was, most probably equally "qualified" for this endeavour.

So the fact stands that a forensic scientist endorses a device that was actually nothing but a criminal scam for what? To pamper her personal vanity? And, even more despicable, she knowingly and willfully endangered military personnel who relied on her name and credibility put behind this gigantic hoax.

So the question is, why did she not do the most obvious and reasonable thing and simply stated: "Sorry, not my field of expertise"? Death threats, blackmail?

I agree, and alluded to that in one of my earlier posts on this thread. She seems to be a bright , educated woman, I find it hard to believe that she willingly endorsed an empty plastic box as a great bomb detection device. The army would have had to apply some SERIOUS pressure to assist them in their scam with the GT 200. If she was blackmailed or threatened to assist the army, then in fact I would feel sorry for her. But I am pretty sure that fact will not come out anytime soon. If she was simply paid a huge sum to endorse the GT 200, then she certainly deserves whatever happens to her.

Although I certainly admire her anti-police stance, especially the part where she believes a some of the killings performed during Thaksin's war on drugs were in fact performed by the police. A school of belief I like, as I personally witnessed one of the executions during that time period, and it certainly was performed by an off duty policeman.

The problem is that her perceived anti stance has coloured her opinion. She should have stuck to facts and evidence.

[animatic]

This is Thailand, if powers that be, work hard enough to do so,

even the most accurate person can be forced into ruining their credibility

in exchange for survival to old age.

I never believed for a minute,that she actually believed what she said about these bomb detectors.

She was far too big a thorn in far too many sides, to go unsullied by the huge sums being made

and hidden, and the desires of powerful people involved in graft and collusion on a massive scale in this land.

Dear animatic,

here we have to disagree. Whether she believed or not is not relevant. She chose to proudly sail in "terra incognita" outside her field of expertise by

1. endorsing a device that she was not qualified to

2. simply relying on reports of "her team" which was, most probably equally "qualified" for this endeavour.

So the fact stands that a forensic scientist endorses a device that was actually nothing but a criminal scam for what? To pamper her personal vanity? And, even more despicable, she knowingly and willfully endangered military personnel who relied on her name and credibility put behind this gigantic hoax.

So the question is, why did she not do the most obvious and reasonable thing and simply stated: "Sorry, not my field of expertise"? Death threats, blackmail?

I agree, and alluded to that in one of my earlier posts on this thread. She seems to be a bright , educated woman, I find it hard to believe that she willingly endorsed an empty plastic box as a great bomb detection device. The army would have had to apply some SERIOUS pressure to assist them in their scam with the GT 200. If she was blackmailed or threatened to assist the army, then in fact I would feel sorry for her. But I am pretty sure that fact will not come out anytime soon. If she was simply paid a huge sum to endorse the GT 200, then she certainly deserves whatever happens to her.

Although I certainly admire her anti-police stance, especially the part where she believes a some of the killings performed during Thaksin's war on drugs were in fact performed by the police. A school of belief I like, as I personally witnessed one of the executions during that time period, and it certainly was performed by an off duty policeman.

Sea Daeng got taken out in broad daylight in public.

People die mysteriously day in and day out here. Trafic is horrible. Hit an run a a daily occurrence.

There are people who would have too much to lose and no moral compunctions to save their face and income stream.

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Her history was not one of endorsing 'a empty plastic box of useless components'.

My belief is she was got too somehow.

As in: " I'm a gonna make you an off you cannot refuse.".

She has family members, few people can not be pressured effectively.

And this is a big enough career derailing issue to remove her credibility.

Not to say that those who bought this piece of crap are the ones that pressured her necessarily.

It could as easily have been her enemies who used this against her to remove her from the scene,

and make the procurement scandal worse. Two birds with one stone.

This was an endorsement far out of character for her, but one publicly useful

to those wanting a retroactive face saving removal of her opinions and her presence.

Seems finally they have her out ; job done.

Much like the tortured removal of K. Jaruvan Mantika as auditor.

If you can remove a major thorn, 'an upity female who doesn't toe the line',

and to it with emough embarrassment, it can make their PAST DECISIONS,

seem that much weaker by association. And that is just what they want us to believe ;

" ...her perceived anti stance has coloured her opinion..."

When face saving is right there above making a profit motive, then removing past lossof face, has value also. Discrediting her has value to those she has discredited with facts in the past.

EyesWideOpen was hitting the nail squarely.

Edited May 22, 2013 by animatic

[creekside]

Internationally, she doesn't seem to have lost any credibility in the area she is an expert in.

Scientist's family seeks US Congress, Thai expert's help

SINGAPORE (May 23, 2013): The parents of a US scientist found hanged in Singapore last year said Thursday they will seek a US congressional inquiry and tap a celebrity Thai pathologist to prove their son was murdered.

Mary Todd, mother of the late researcher Shane Todd whose death in June 2012 was ruled a suicide by the Singapore police, indicated the family did not expect the US government to intervene because of its interests in Asia.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/707279

[Thai at Heart]

Internationally, she doesn't seem to have lost any credibility in the area she is an expert in.

Scientist's family seeks US Congress, Thai expert's help

SINGAPORE (May 23, 2013): The parents of a US scientist found hanged in Singapore last year said Thursday they will seek a US congressional inquiry and tap a celebrity Thai pathologist to prove their son was murdered.

Mary Todd, mother of the late researcher Shane Todd whose death in June 2012 was ruled a suicide by the Singapore police, indicated the family did not expect the US government to intervene because of its interests in Asia.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/707279

How on earth does she get involved in a case concerning an American in Singapore?

[creekside]

Internationally, she doesn't seem to have lost any credibility in the area she is an expert in.

Scientist's family seeks US Congress, Thai expert's help

SINGAPORE (May 23, 2013): The parents of a US scientist found hanged in Singapore last year said Thursday they will seek a US congressional inquiry and tap a celebrity Thai pathologist to prove their son was murdered.

Mary Todd, mother of the late researcher Shane Todd whose death in June 2012 was ruled a suicide by the Singapore police, indicated the family did not expect the US government to intervene because of its interests in Asia.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/707279

How on earth does she get involved in a case concerning an American in Singapore?

A very high reputation in SE Asia results in her consultations in foreign countries.