Bangkok Police Seize 'historic' Drugs Cache Worth 1.5 Billion Baht

[sirchai]

Methamphetamine is not a narcotic drug. Stop using the word "narcotics" to refer to drugs in general, whether illegal or legal, as it makes you look stupid and/or ignorant. Narcotics are sleep-inducing and/or pain relieving drugs. The word comes from ancient greek for "benumb". There are many legal narcotics around, such as Hydrocodone and Oxycodone.

Call drugs "drugs", or illegal drugs "illegal drugs", or by their specific identifiable name, e.g. "methamphetamine".

There'll always be a difference between American and British English.

Narcotics are drugs such as opium or heroin which make you sleepy and stop you feeling pain. You can also use narcotics, especially in American English, to mean any kind of illegal drug.

The sad side of the story is that drugs will be much more expensive now and all the Jaba freaks and ice users will do more crimes. The guys behind the "deal" will -of course- never be found.-

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Edited May 22, 2013 by sirchai

[MaxLee]

So happy to make the international headlines bravo!!!! But the world doesn't care...

[thequietman]

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Khamronwit Thupkrachang was quoted as saying that the 1.5 billion haul was an important find for the police. He has said that the 1.2 billion haul would first be examined to confirm that they were in fact narcotics. He said that if the 900 million baht haul was confirmed then the total haul, which amounted to 600 million baht would be disposed of.

The method of disposal for the huge 400 million haul would be by fire. Once a suitable location was found, he said that the 200 million baht of drugs would receive a full police escort to its destination and when it was deemed the right time, they would indeed burn the drugs with an estimated value of 100 million baht.

This is one of our largest hauls to date this year, he said, and even this haul at 50 million baht was substantial.

I would like to take this opportunity, he said, to thank the Royal Thai Poloice for all their hard work and its was a truly remarkable feat to have intercepted almost 25 million baht of these drugs.

[Thongkorn]

Well done and Bravo... Lets hope they can nab the leaders

probably there leaders have just nabed them.

[bobl]

I don't see it as major hair splitting and I don't think it makes me look stupid for pointing it out.

When it's a word that's been in use since 40 or 50 years before you were born yeah, it kinda does...

What's next, a revolt against the use of "your" instead of "thy"?

[jimbeam1]

^^ Of course.. but that still doesn't mean they're innocent.

With the biggest haul in history they're sure to get the death penalty.

The teenager (probably 19, so quite missleading really) will just get 70 or 80 years or so.

The way it works here.. you buy the drugs from the army, the police get you.. you buy from the police and the army get you.. lose lose LOSE!!

Makes you wonder what the actual amount really was? I think higher.

jb1

Edited May 22, 2013 by jimbeam1

[jimbeam1]

^^ Of course.. but that still doesn't mean they're innocent.

With the biggest haul in history they're sure to get the death penalty.

The teenager (probably 19, so quite missleading really) will just get 70 or 80 years or so.

The way it works here.. you buy the drugs from the army, the police get you.. you buy from the police and the army get you.. lose lose LOSE!!

Yes I was wondering if there had been 1 and 1/2 billion baht worth of drugs go missing from the drugs collected by the BIB.

Just another case of Low level people in the industry getting caught. I can't understand the problem with not catching a high level personage in the trade.

All they have to do is look in to their police stations and head quarters.

Me thinks that you answered your own question. With your last sentence?

jb1

[jimbeam1]

Methamphetamine is not a narcotic drug. Stop using the word "narcotics" to refer to drugs in general, whether illegal or legal, as it makes you look stupid and/or ignorant. Narcotics are sleep-inducing and/or pain relieving drugs. The word comes from ancient greek for "benumb". There are many legal narcotics around, such as Hydrocodone and Oxycodone.

Call drugs "drugs", or illegal drugs "illegal drugs", or by their specific identifiable name, e.g. "methamphetamine".

There'll always be a difference between American and British English.

Narcotics are drugs such as opium or heroin which make you sleepy and stop you feeling pain. You can also use narcotics, especially in American English, to mean any kind of illegal drug.

The sad side of the story is that drugs will be much more expensive now and all the Jaba freaks and ice users will do more crimes. The guys behind the "deal" will -of course- never be found.-

.

I would call it a difference between American and English. Just nitpicking.

jb1

[BuddhistVirus]

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Khamronwit Thupkrachang was quoted as saying that the 1.5 billion haul was an important find for the police. He has said that the 1.2 billion haul would first be examined to confirm that they were in fact narcotics. He said that if the 900 million baht haul was confirmed then the total haul, which amounted to 600 million baht would be disposed of.

The method of disposal for the huge 400 million haul would be by fire. Once a suitable location was found, he said that the 200 million baht of drugs would receive a full police escort to its destination and when it was deemed the right time, they would indeed burn the drugs with an estimated value of 100 million baht.

This is one of our largest hauls to date this year, he said, and even this haul at 50 million baht was substantial.

I would like to take this opportunity, he said, to thank the Royal Thai Poloice for all their hard work and its was a truly remarkable feat to have intercepted almost 25 million baht of these drugs.

Ha!

[hyperdimension]

I don't see it as major hair splitting and I don't think it makes me look stupid for pointing it out.

When it's a word that's been in use since 40 or 50 years before you were born yeah, it kinda does...

What's next, a revolt against the use of "your" instead of "thy"?

The relationship between "your" and "thy" are not analagous to "narcotics" and "illegal drugs". "narcotics" now has different definitions depending on who is using it, whereas "your" is unambiguous. "thy" is no longer used in modern day communication whereas the term "illegal drugs" is still widely used. I don't think it's so wrong or stupid to suggest to use correct technical terminology.

I think you and some others think it's silly for me to point out the incorrect usage of the word "narcotics" because you have been so conditioned into accepting the incorrect usage. Possibly the incorrect usage is the only form that you've encountered (e.g. from police and politicians via mainstream media). You'd never see the incorrect usage from scientists or in scientific writings, so if you don't read such things then I understand your perspective. If you talk about drugs with a pharmacist and refer to illegal drugs as "narcotics" then it would be more likely yourself who looks stupid and/or ignorant, not the pharmacist who corrects you.

Edited May 22, 2013 by hyperdimension

[deesamui]

nice job RTP, with a insider who had the intelligence and who made the perfect call for timing the bust, it seems to me that this lot was ready for shipment, probably to a ( drug ) wizzard of oz, the bikie gangs and there partners will have some head aches I am looking forward to read more stories like this, in the upcoming months

[happysanook]

Methamphetamine is not a narcotic drug. Stop using the word "narcotics" to refer to drugs in general, whether illegal or legal, as it makes you look stupid and/or ignorant. Narcotics are sleep-inducing and/or pain relieving drugs. The word comes from ancient greek for "benumb". There are many legal narcotics around, such as Hydrocodone and Oxycodone.

Call drugs "drugs", or illegal drugs "illegal drugs", or by their specific identifiable name, e.g. "methamphetamine".

You'd have to pretty out of it to not understand 'narcotics' was referring to illegal drugs, especially given the context. Even without the context, typically the word refers to illegal drugs.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/narcotic

Definition of narcotic

noun an addictive drug affecting mood or behaviour, especially an illegal one

[Johpa]

will they ever get the gang leaders ,or only the small fry

The US government is unable/unwilling to put bankers and other financiers behind bars in the US so why do you think that the Royal Thai government would suddenly change course and do so? That being said, and pardon me for emphasizing the need to be taken quite literally here, but traditionally heads have rolled after such a drug bust, with said heads usually being found in a canal some distance from the big city.

[deesamui]

will they ever get the gang leaders ,or only the small fry

The US government is unable/unwilling to put bankers and other financiers behind bars in the US so why do you think that the Royal Thai government would suddenly change course and do so? That being said, and pardon me for emphasizing the need to be taken quite literally here, but traditionally heads have rolled after such a drug bust, with said heads usually being found in a canal some distance from the big city.

or some skidivers without wings or other forms of suicides, fine with me

[metisdead]

Off topic post removed. Topic is about Bangkok Police Seize Historic Drugs cache, topic is not about the use of the terminology of narcotics, illegal drugs, etc.

[Salapoo]

There must be a very unhappy bunny somewhere out there after losing that lot. ....................

Perhaps they didn't lose forever....

There bank balance might have to take a hit though....

[puukao]

The original bust was 2.5 billion.

[Secondmouse]

I don't see it as major hair splitting and I don't think it makes me look stupid for pointing it out. It's extremely incorrect terminology, maybe a bit like referring to the referree in soccer as an umpire or calling the short stop position in baseball the third base.

Errrh ?.......the referee in soccer has exactly the same job/duty/role as the umpire (I refer to the game of cricket for precise-'ness')....and the 'short stop' ..? well, it's the third......

[espinoza]

Lieutenant Colonel Yise, is he a Thai or which organisation did he get the title Lieutenant Colonel. It should be easy to track him down.

[espinoza]

Everybody has to remember, Thailand is already free of the drug xxxx. One of the ministers, I do not remember the name, he promised that in three months this would be the situation. I think he was right.

Edited May 23, 2013 by metisdead

[hyperdimension]

Errrh ?.......the referee in soccer has exactly the same job/duty/role as the umpire (I refer to the game of cricket for precise-'ness')....and the 'short stop' ..? well, it's the third......

We can't comment any more on technical terminology as posts will get deleted. Just look up "narcosis" in a dictionary.

[mrtoad]

Well done to The BIB, they seem to be in a hot streak a the moment. Ear Medicine Man, will likely be in the news tomorrow taking credit for it.

Edited May 22, 2013 by mrtoad

[hyperdimension]

Everybody has to remember, Thailand is already free of the drug xxxx. One of the ministers, I do not remember the name, he promised that in three months this would be the situation. I think he was right.

Here's a promise from January 2012: Chalerm pledges to eradicate drugs within one year

BANGKOK, Jan 28 -- Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubumrung said illicit drug suppression was one of the government policies announced during the election campaign, and he was confident that involved authorities would be able to make considerable advances in the “War on Drugs” within one year.

It's now almost 4 months over his specified 1 year time frame. He has failed to deliver on his promise. How will he and PTP take responsibility for this failure? (It's a rhetorical question).

The 100% perfect solution to eradicate illegal drugs is to legalize them, as then there will be no more illegal drugs.

[espinoza]

Everybody has to remember, Thailand is already free of the drug xxxx. One of the ministers, I do not remember the name, he promised that in three months this would be the situation. I think he was right.

Here's a promise from January 2012: Chalerm pledges to eradicate drugs within one year

>>BANGKOK, Jan 28 -- Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubumrung said illicit drug suppression was one of the government policies announced during the election campaign, and he was confident that involved authorities would be able to make considerable advances in the “War on Drugs” within one year.

It's now almost 4 months over his specified 1 year time frame. He has failed to deliver on his promise. How will he and PTP take responsibility for this failure? (It's a rhetorical question).

The 100% perfect solution to eradicate illegal drugs is to legalize them, as then there will be no more illegal drugs.

Sorry I was wrong, it was one year. But he have still not delivered. :-)

[I Like Thai]

Good grief wake up they are illegal end of discussion.

Just because something is illegal it doesn't mean it is the end of the discussion.

>this statement has too be as far from reality as can be in the world of law enforcement.

"It's the authorities who have misused the term "narcotics", and this misuse alone is just one piece of evidence that supports the notion that they have little clue about drugs and their effects, whoch is a concern because they make the laws surrounding drugs. Those who work in medicine or pharmacology would never use the term "narcotics" to refer to drugs in general, only those with sleep-inducing properties, both legal and illegal."

Those who are from "the world of law enforcement" were the ones who took the word from the pharmacological world and used it incorrectly. So now everyone, including medical professionals, should accept law enforcement's incorrect definition?

According to you a cop does not have a clue about drugs and there effect because he calls them Narcotics which in the world is commonly accepted as a word for drugs especially illegal ones.

A police officer just has to enforce the law, so I would not expect him to know much about drugs and their effects. The problem is with lawmakers - I'd wish that those who make laws about drugs actually knew a great deal about drugs or sought expert advice, but the reality shows otherwise. Calling all illegal drugs "narcotics" shows plain lack of knowledge of drugs. It's just one of probably many more examples of ignorance in the drug laws. Another major example of ignorance is that the schedules of the Controlled Substance Act have very little correlation with harm. e.g. cannabis was on Schedule 1, as are mescaline, peyote, and DMT which are psychedelic drugs that are consumed by the indigineous people of Mexico and South America for religious and spiritual practices. Much of the drug laws were not created using input from the medical professions, but by politicians themselves with little or no scientific basis.

Have you considered that the OP is from a newspaper report and not a police report. The police report would be in Thai and then translated into English by a translator/reporter. It is highly probable that the Thai police reports will use the correct terminology in Thai legal documents and in any court case.

A reporter for a newspaper however would not need to be so precise in his terminology. He simply looks for a word that fits well and uses it.

[djvolak]

Wikipedia seems to have summed up the term quite well, it's not a good term and pretty much means any banned drug.

Narcotic

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the drug classification. For the scuba diving reference, see Nitrogen narcosis. For the sedative agent, see Sedative. For pain control medications of both narcotic and non-narcotic varieties, see Analgesic. For the album by Muslimgauze, see Narcotic (album).

Heroin, a powerful opioid and narcotic.

The term narcotic (pronunciation: /nɑrˈkɒtɨk/, from ancient Greek ναρκῶ narkō, "Ι benumb") originally referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties. In the United States it has since become associated with opioids, commonly morphine and heroin and their derivatives, such as hydrocodone. The term is, today, imprecisely defined and typically has negative connotations.^[1][2] When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic

drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in

violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.

From a pharmacological standpoint it is not a useful term,^[3]

as is evinced by the that gives to ardent spirit and wine their

intoxicating power; while the narcotic principle to opium and tobacco

imparts similar properties. In popular language, alcohol is classed

among the stimulants; and opium and tobacco among the narcotics; which

are substances whose ultimate effect upon the animal system is to

produce torpor and insensibility; but taken in small quantities they at

first exhilarate. And since alcohol does the same, most medical writers,

at the present day, class it among the narcotics. |Edward Hitchcock,

American Temperance Society (1830)^[4] |}}

Statutory classification of a drug as a narcotic often increases the

penalties for violation of drug control statutes. For example, although

federal law classifies both cocaine and amphetamines

as "Schedule II" drugs, the penalty for possession of cocaine is

greater than the penalty for possession of amphetamines because cocaine,

unlike amphetamines, is classified as a narcotic.^[5]

If that was true in every courtroom then I would have been convicted of manufacturing narcotics in 1999. I guess Arizona must go by some other Legal term because my conviction was for Manufacturing Dangerous Drugs. Not Narcotics, Not Methamphetamine. In the real world, not the wikipedia one that is how they do it. I have been clean since August 1999. I have been sober since 1993. I guess Arizona corrected me.

[deesamui]

Wikipedia seems to have summed up the term quite well, it's not a good term and pretty much means any banned drug.

Narcotic

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the drug classification. For the scuba diving reference, see Nitrogen narcosis. For the sedative agent, see Sedative. For pain control medications of both narcotic and non-narcotic varieties, see Analgesic. For the album by Muslimgauze, see Narcotic (album).

Heroin, a powerful opioid and narcotic.

The term narcotic (pronunciation: /nɑrˈkɒtɨk/, from ancient Greek ναρκῶ narkō, "Ι benumb") originally referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties. In the United States it has since become associated with opioids, commonly morphine and heroin and their derivatives, such as hydrocodone. The term is, today, imprecisely defined and typically has negative connotations.^[1][2] When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic

drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in

violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.

From a pharmacological standpoint it is not a useful term,^[3]

as is evinced by the that gives to ardent spirit and wine their

intoxicating power; while the narcotic principle to opium and tobacco

imparts similar properties. In popular language, alcohol is classed

among the stimulants; and opium and tobacco among the narcotics; which

are substances whose ultimate effect upon the animal system is to

produce torpor and insensibility; but taken in small quantities they at

first exhilarate. And since alcohol does the same, most medical writers,

at the present day, class it among the narcotics. |Edward Hitchcock,

American Temperance Society (1830)^[4] |}}

Statutory classification of a drug as a narcotic often increases the

penalties for violation of drug control statutes. For example, although

federal law classifies both cocaine and amphetamines

as "Schedule II" drugs, the penalty for possession of cocaine is

greater than the penalty for possession of amphetamines because cocaine,

unlike amphetamines, is classified as a narcotic.^[5]

If that was true in every courtroom then I would have been convicted of manufacturing narcotics in 1999. I guess Arizona must go by some other Legal term because my conviction was for Manufacturing Dangerous Drugs. Not Narcotics, Not Methamphetamine. In the real world, not the wikipedia one that is how they do it. I have been clean since August 1999. I have been sober since 1993. I guess Arizona corrected me.

lucky you and lucky AZ

[MILT]

What is interesting to me is the way certain drugs appeal to certain nations and not so much to others. For example in Asia methamphetamine is very popular, but in England for example people don't seem to really like the stuff, xtc, cocaine, heroin and ketamine are popular but not the dreaded methamphetamine. I can understand the attraction to methamphetamine in some Asian countries, like Japan for example where the pace of life is much faster, and it would make sense that a speedy type stimulant may be seen to help with the hectic pace, but Thailand with its less frantic pace would seem to fit something more like Opium or even Heroin by nature.

Any insight anyone?????

Meth use is a worldwide problem. In the US meth is a major problem. In almost every state their are hundreds of thousands of people destroying their live's. Because it is not a major issue in the England does not mean that meth is not a menace.throughout Europe. From what I have read it is fairly easy and cheap to manufacturer and is cheap to buy. Here in Thailand right after The US DEA and Thai DEA squashed the opium trade, meth hit the streets within months. From what I read the meth back then was tested and showed 80/90% caffiene. Now there is ICE which is a purer form of meth and much more addictive. I would put meth as the number one worst drug being used these days.

[belg]

i would love to see a public footage of the destruction of all the meth... or will it just end up like is always does ? wink wink

[frankold]

Methamphetamine is not a narcotic drug. Stop using the word "narcotics" to refer to drugs in general, whether illegal or legal, as it makes you look stupid and/or ignorant. Narcotics are sleep-inducing and/or pain relieving drugs. The word comes from ancient greek for "benumb". There are many legal narcotics around, such as Hydrocodone and Oxycodone.

Call drugs "drugs", or illegal drugs "illegal drugs", or by their specific identifiable name, e.g. "methamphetamine".

that is some major hair splitting .. I agree I dont know why our american cousins like the word 'narcotic' so much, even to have a narc squad.... they are responsible for spreading the language everywhere else. I think however the terminology of 'sleep inducing' could be applied or infered to 'mind altering'

Either way it didnt really make anyone look stupid other than yourself for knit picking so much Boy this is a crazy place, not enough to do...

I don't see it as major hair splitting and I don't think it makes me look stupid for pointing it out. It's extremely incorrect terminology, maybe a bit like referring to the referree in soccer as an umpire or calling the short stop position in baseball the third base.

People who have technical knowledge of drugs and their effects (such as doctors, nurses, pharmacists) would disagree with using the word "narcotics" to refer to illegal drugs, and they would not consider it hair splitting if they were to express their disagreement or correct others. If you go to a pharmacy and ask the pharmacist for narcotics, he or she would be more likely to tell you a list of names of narcotic drugs that are sold in the shop, than respond with "sorry, we don't sell illegal drugs here".

What would happen when any of the illegal drugs that are incorrectly called "narcotics" become legal? Would they still be called "narcotics"? Pharmamcists or medical professionals would still call heroin a "narcotic" whether it's legal or not, and I would side with their professional qualified definition of "narcotic" than the authorities' incorrect definition.

Your username seems a bit funny. Whats that mean?