moonray Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Police have also discovered that he e-mailed his relatives in Germany and they are trying to trace the location from where he sent the e-mails. It's a good thing Thailand monitors internet traffic with their registered user database program. It should be simple to glean his particulars from whatever internet cafe he used to send them. Without a passport, I wonder which personal ID he used to sign in with at the cafe. This story is confusing and we do not know to much,but one thing is 100% sure: Thai Visa member "sidecreek" has never been in his life in internet cafe! Mate! try internet cafe today and make your next post from there....just for experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I've tried getting around this but it's heavy going so I need help, more than you realise ! It's reported he's due to face charges in Germany but the Germans don't seem to have been involved. They don't appear to have sought extradition so was this a fastrack deal that in lieu of that the Australians would simply deport him and the first German involvement would have been the welcoming committee on his arrival home ? I think that is pretty much it. When you deport someone it is back to thier home country. The Germans know this and they probably thought why waste time and money seeking extradtion when he is going to be brought back via deportation. Just arrest when the plane lands, quick easy and cheap. I also guess that is why we haven't heard boo out of the germans because they haven't been involved. It will spoil the day for the Thai media but the legendary Interpol of worldwide fame and fable would not have been involved as this would likely be government to government through their foreign ministries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He did not escape from Australian Police and he is not a fugitive. The Nation needs to get thier facts correct. They were Australian "Civilian Security Gaurds" who were escorting him and "NOT POLICE" He had served his time in jail and was released and as Australia has said, he can't be charged with escaping from lawful custody because he was not technically in custody. His offence by leaving the airport would be entering without a valid visa but Australia has no jurisdiction there. This is all odd. Australia was deporting him. No problem with that, but why send security guards with him all the way to Germany? If he was not in lawful custody then the guards would not have any power to stop him leaving once they were out of Australian territory, would they? I don't think security guards have any powers of arrest do they? And even if they did, they would not have them outside of Australian jurisdiction. There is no mention of any extradition request from Germany and the German police don't appear to have been interested in getting him back. This looks a complete buggers muddle before he even got into Thailand. He has committed an offence by illegally entering Thailand etc. I believe Thai policy in such cases is to deport to the country of your nationality so he will be sent to Germany if/when caught, presumably if someone pays for the air ticket. In the jurisdictions I have knowledge of security guards do not have power of arrest other than the limited citizen's arrest. Many decades ago in Britain there were problems with security guards carrying police type batons, even long riot batons, and it came to a head with arrests for carrying an offensive weapon as they had no lawful authority to be armed in that fashion. Police officers do not have constabulary powers outside their own jurisdiction and if on enquiries outside their own country will be assisted by local officers who will also make any arrest necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He did not escape from Australian Police and he is not a fugitive. The Nation needs to get thier facts correct. They were Australian "Civilian Security Gaurds" who were escorting him and "NOT POLICE" He had served his time in jail and was released and as Australia has said, he can't be charged with escaping from lawful custody because he was not technically in custody. His offence by leaving the airport would be entering without a valid visa but Australia has no jurisdiction there. This is all odd. Australia was deporting him. No problem with that, but why send security guards with him all the way to Germany? If he was not in lawful custody then the guards would not have any power to stop him leaving once they were out of Australian territory, would they? I don't think security guards have any powers of arrest do they? And even if they did, they would not have them outside of Australian jurisdiction. There is no mention of any extradition request from Germany and the German police don't appear to have been interested in getting him back. This looks a complete buggers muddle before he even got into Thailand. He has committed an offence by illegally entering Thailand etc. I believe Thai policy in such cases is to deport to the country of your nationality so he will be sent to Germany if/when caught, presumably if someone pays for the air ticket. The security guards don't have to arrest him, they just hold his passport, onward ticket and wallet, and refuse to give them back until they reach Germany. He was supposedly in a secure area which he couldn't leave without a passport, with no ticket and no money - and the Thai airport officials are hardly likely to intervene if he asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He is in the ceiling of the terminal...never actually left....waiting for it to cool off a bit ...I saw that movie too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoodMaiDai Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 This was a well planned escape with help from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 This was a well planned escape with help from all sides. How much did they pay to mother nature for the bad weather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potosi Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Mr Kohl hasn't been to Thailand before, so he must have applied for a passport on the German embassy after he got away on May 17th just because it took so long to make the case public, and to inform the German embassy. He jumped parole in Germany, but the embassy has no knowledge of this until the last place of residence of Mr Kohl that issues his passport and sends it to the Bangkok embassy tells them. On May 27 there must have been a welcoming committee on the embassy awaiting Mr Kohl's arrival, but he didn't show because his case had finally arrived in the news. I wonder why he had no passport because international traffic is complicated without, and guess the Australian guards kept it. Jeez, this is an almighty screw up of incompetent public servants, private contractors, and media spanning half the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrooks Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Wow so many different versions to this absurd story. Is he dangerous, fugitive, terrorist, ex military, hunted, or just some German punter who snuck in without a valid Visa eager to do some R&R in the LOS after spending some time in an Ausie slammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He can probably just go buy a new passport on Kho-San Road with the money he steals... Or, it may be a blessing in disguise, he will prob fit right in down in Spew-ket or Pattaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axact Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) Passport applications vary from country to country. I did not apply in person to get my new British passport a few months ago but was inconvenienced by having to send the application to Hong Kong. This story also states that he applied for a new German Passport but failed to collect it on Monday. That would indicate that one was granted which I find very hard to believe. [...] He was not granted one. You have to show up in person to apply for a passport and apparently he had realized that he was already making headlines in the media and would not get one, so he didn't show up. exactly and that is why I said, I find this very hard to believe. I don't know where the Nation would have got this idea from. "The German passport contains biometric data (a finger print), so it cannot be done on a phone call and picked up later." So do the UK passports but they get issued via carrier via Hong Kong Edited May 29, 2013 by axact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesat Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Police have also discovered that he e-mailed his relatives in Germany and they are trying to trace the location from where he sent the e-mails. It's a good thing Thailand monitors internet traffic with their registered user database program. It should be simple to glean his particulars from whatever internet cafe he used to send them. Without a passport, I wonder which personal ID he used to sign in with at the cafe. If he has the wherewithal to cut the electricity on the emergency exit's alarm system I'm pretty sure he will have sent emails through proxy servers like Tor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesat Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 There is a Thai bounty on his head i'm going to jump in my vehicle and burn some fossil fuel looking for him........oh it's 10,000 baht better be the bike then. I don't think Dog the Bounty Hunter will be flying in from Hawaii for this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOboe57 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Passport applications vary from country to country. I did not apply in person to get my new British passport a few months ago but was inconvenienced by having to send the application to Hong Kong. This story also states that he applied for a new German Passport but failed to collect it on Monday. That would indicate that one was granted which I find very hard to believe. [...] He was not granted one. You have to show up in person to apply for a passport and apparently he had realized that he was already making headlines in the media and would not get one, so he didn't show up. exactly and that is why I said, I find this very hard to believe. I don't know where the Nation would have got this idea from. "The German passport contains biometric data (a finger print), so it cannot be done on a phone call and picked up later." So do the UK passports but they get issued via carrier via Hong Kong Maybe you should have a look at the website of the German Embassy in Bangkok. You can apply for a German passport or ID card by appointment only and personal appearance at the Embassy. Please bring all required documents and a copy with you. http://www.bangkok.diplo.de/Vertretung/bangkok/de/04/Passstelle/0-Passangelegenheiten.html I hope this clarifies the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonar6ca Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Did you try Pattaya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samaaw Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 All these reports are they written by Thai reporters? Because most of the articles in the news seem to be confusing in one way or another..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye21 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 What are the odds he disappears and is not found any time soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The other paper is reporting that he's been caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The other paper is reporting that he's been caught. Did he have 300K on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) No mention of 300K, arrested on South Sathon Road. What gets me is he was hiding in the airport for 30 hours before his escape attempt. Don't they have CCTV in Swampy they could have gone back and followed him & tracked him down in that 30 hours? Edited May 30, 2013 by Chao Lao Beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 No mention of 300K, arrested on South Sathon Road. What gets me is he was hiding in the airport for 30 hours before his escape attempt. Don't they have CCTV in Swampy they could have gone back and followed him & tracked him down in that 30 hours? not a whimper in the Australin media about him being captured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Topic Continues Here. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/643188-german-fugitive-nabbed-after-fleeing-thai-airport/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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