New Education Minister says Thai education system needs urgent revamp

[doremifasol]

Here we go.......again!

[finnomick]

Surely they do not need a new education minister to figure that one out .....

[drdoom6996]

If they weren't continually changing education ministers, they wouldn't have to wait for the new minister to work out where the problems are. Of course, when he does there will be no funds available because they have all been flushed down the rice hole.

And if they do stop changing all the Ministers someone will have to take the blame for something. Now, I don't know is a great answer.

[MaxLee]

If they weren't continually changing education ministers, they wouldn't have to wait for the new minister to work out where the problems are. Of course, when he does there will be no funds available because they have all been flushed down the rice hole.

And if they do stop changing all the Ministers someone will have to take the blame for something. Now, I don't know is a great answer.

If the system doesn't work blame the customers first and foremost, Business the Thai way,...

Edited July 3, 2013 by MaxLee

[Pattaya28]

New Education Minister says "Thai education system needs urgent revamp"

The credibility is in the word "urgent"

[hellodolly]

Robby nz, on 02 Jul 2013 - 18:28, said:

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These kids are the future of Thailand and need direction. It is part of the parents responsibility but not that much as the parents never learned them selves.

A big problem with that Hellodolly is that many (probably most) parents haven't got either the education, time or inclination to help teach the kids, or in some cases a combination of all 3.

As you say many never learnt themselves and the ones that did are a product of the education system that needs to change.

It will need a very strong minister to implement the needed changes.

We wait to see if this latest one has what is needed.

Changes are not in the Thai DNA. Thais are self absorbed in their Thainess. Tradition and their sense of respect for seniority are hurdles in their path that they are not willing to clear. Thais are copiers, repeaters and followers. They are not enterprising in the modern sense of the word. Thai teachers (I know a few) complain about the gags placed on them by their superiors. No teacher in Thailand can deviate from the "official" truth or the text in the books. Not even history is taught according to facts. The vast majority of Thais proudly boast of being the only country in SE Asia that has never been invaded. When I remind them of the Japanese occupation of nearly 2 years they go into shock. They ask questions as how and when it happened as if it was the first time they heard about that historical fact. On the intersection Sam yeak fai chai (Charansanitwong and Pran Nhok, there is a post with a plaque in Thai and English: "...here is where the city had the big searchlights to alert the citizenry when the ally forces were bombing Bangkok..." They conveniently forgot to mention that Thailand had declared war to the UK and USA and were allowing the Japanese to run Khanchanaburi hard labor camp and other areas inside and around Bangkok, to name a few. The plaque is there for all to see. How many Thais bother to read or research the subject?

I am ready to be flamed by the usual Thai apologists but, these are quoted historical facts. Sorry if I hurt your sensibilities.

You have contradicted yourself right there as that statement is obvious proof that there are teachers who know things need changing and care enough to try.

And no, all Thais are not the same any more than all people from any other country are the same.

I hope this new minister is one of the ones who will make the needed changes for he is in a position to do it.

However I somehow doubt it as he has been in the position of education minister before and had the opportunity then to make changes

He did not say that there were teachers who tried just ones who knew it was wrong but were not allowed to try.

True not all Thais are the same despite what many TV posters would try to get us to believe. On another thread a poster went so far as tio say the lowest class Thais were corrupt.

But remember that as much as Mr Chaturon Chaisangn has agreed with the former Minister he was a part of setting up the system when he was with Thaksin.

Could be very interesting.

There is much talk about falling behind the other countries when Asean comes on line. To do that they would have had to started years ago.

[steveyinasia]

No shit sherlock....

[Thaddeus]

Could be very interesting.

There is much talk about falling behind the other countries when Asean comes on line. To do that they would have had to started years ago.

BANGKOK, 2 July 2013 (NNT) – The newly-appointed Education Minister has said the Thai education system needs a major revamp to enable Thai kids to compete with children in other countries as Asean Community is approaching in less than 3 years’ time.

Asean Community is approaching in less than 3 years’ time

Is this the same statement from a year ago.

[Thaddeus]

And, it's the Asean Economic Community that is due to start in 2015.

ASEAN itself has been in operation for years already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations

[bangon04]

As long as the wealthy can still get their education overseas, nothing needs to change, does it?

[belg]

why?

will they compete with other countries? for what ?

most people who even went to uni cannot hold a descent conversation in english

and ask thai people : in what other country do people speak thai, so what use is it outside thailand

so again, why care about thai education ? they are good for low or no skill jobs

[MaxLee]

why?

will they compete with other countries? for what ?

most people who even went to uni cannot hold a descent conversation in english

and ask thai people : in what other country do people speak thai, so what use is it outside thailand

so again, why care about thai education ? they are good for low or no skill jobs

It is not their fault alone,...

the political and feudal elite who are more concerned about face than substance is doing EVERYTHING by all means necessary to eradicate the natural human curiosity instincts to think for oneself and develop one's personality of the entire Nation

This propaganda makes me sick to my stomach, because deep down our hearts, we feel, that NOBODY, whether Thai, Cambodian, Burmese or any other Nationality around the world is born stupid....

Thais aren't stupid, but they are getting brainwashed TO BELIEVE that they have a low self esteem,.... that's the whole story,...

Edited July 3, 2013 by MaxLee

[CIHUAHUA]

If you can't say "NO" to a child or "that is wrong" then the teachers will pretend to teach and the students will pretend to learn. In the end it is the teacher that needs to be taught.

[Noistar]

If you can't say "NO" to a child or "that is wrong" then the teachers will pretend to teach and the students will pretend to learn. In the end it is the teacher that needs to be taught.

It is the problem that teachers are merely perpetuating the problems in Thai education. Grooming students to obtain the 'university' qualifications, so they can become teachers to carry on the same grooming.

English is always a great example. If a Thai teacher, teaching English, has the same missing final consonant, r/l confusion, v=w etc mistakes, the next generation will have the same. Any idea how these people get a degree with no ability?

I love asking obvious questions

TIT

[Noistar]

why?

will they compete with other countries? for what ?

most people who even went to uni cannot hold a descent conversation in english

and ask thai people : in what other country do people speak thai, so what use is it outside thailand

so again, why care about thai education ? they are good for low or no skill jobs

It is not their fault alone,...

the political and feudal elite who are more concerned about face than substance is doing EVERYTHING by all means necessary to eradicate the natural human curiosity instincts to think for oneself and develop one's personality of the entire Nation

This propaganda makes me sick to my stomach, because deep down our hearts, we feel, that NOBODY, whether Thai, Cambodian, Burmese or any other Nationality around the world is born stupid....

Thais aren't stupid, but they are getting brainwashed TO BELIEVE that they have a low self esteem,.... that's the whole story,...

There is no excuse for making abusive comments about Thai people in general.

Yes - the country's decision makers need to recognise that if Thailand wants to become part of the international community, they will have to gain proficiency in an international language.

Of course, that relies on an infrastructure which enables those languages to be taught effectively, which will not happen in a generation.

If students spent less time wai-ing teachers and having 'teacher respect' days, students might realise that they are individuals who should be respected themselves.

Dressing up as robots every day with name and number on their shirts, just shows the contempt with which the Government, via the education ministry, views students.

Today is 2 years since the democratic election (albeit PTP didn't get their hands on the reins until August). One would have thought that the situation about being prepared for ASEAN membership, would have been on the radar before now.

[MaxLee]

why?

will they compete with other countries? for what ?

most people who even went to uni cannot hold a descent conversation in english

and ask thai people : in what other country do people speak thai, so what use is it outside thailand

so again, why care about thai education ? they are good for low or no skill jobs

It is not their fault alone,...

the political and feudal elite who are more concerned about face than substance is doing EVERYTHING by all means necessary to eradicate the natural human curiosity instincts to think for oneself and develop one's personality of the entire Nation

This propaganda makes me sick to my stomach, because deep down our hearts, we feel, that NOBODY, whether Thai, Cambodian, Burmese or any other Nationality around the world is born stupid....

Thais aren't stupid, but they are getting brainwashed TO BELIEVE that they have a low self esteem,.... that's the whole story,...

There is no excuse for making abusive comments about Thai people in general.

Yes - the country's decision makers need to recognise that if Thailand wants to become part of the international community, they will have to gain proficiency in an international language.

Of course, that relies on an infrastructure which enables those languages to be taught effectively, which will not happen in a generation.

If students spent less time wai-ing teachers and having 'teacher respect' days, students might realise that they are individuals who should be respected themselves.

Dressing up as robots every day with name and number on their shirts, just shows the contempt with which the Government, via the education ministry, views students.

Today is 2 years since the democratic election (albeit PTP didn't get their hands on the reins until August). One would have thought that the situation about being prepared for ASEAN membership, would have been on the radar before now.

Another point here:

Education ministry's message: "Education only in Bangkok ONLY BANGKOK in the future... and screw the rest of Thailand, because they live in dirty Isaan villages, so they don't deserve a high chance for basic quality education"

Bottomline is, the feudal political society wants to get the entire nation out of the stinky provinces and flock to Bangkok ONLY BANGKOK, and by merging schools together, they made the start into Bangkokinisation

[Noistar]

why?

will they compete with other countries? for what ?

most people who even went to uni cannot hold a descent conversation in english

and ask thai people : in what other country do people speak thai, so what use is it outside thailand

so again, why care about thai education ? they are good for low or no skill jobs

It is not their fault alone,...

the political and feudal elite who are more concerned about face than substance is doing EVERYTHING by all means necessary to eradicate the natural human curiosity instincts to think for oneself and develop one's personality of the entire Nation

This propaganda makes me sick to my stomach, because deep down our hearts, we feel, that NOBODY, whether Thai, Cambodian, Burmese or any other Nationality around the world is born stupid....

Thais aren't stupid, but they are getting brainwashed TO BELIEVE that they have a low self esteem,.... that's the whole story,...

There is no excuse for making abusive comments about Thai people in general.

Yes - the country's decision makers need to recognise that if Thailand wants to become part of the international community, they will have to gain proficiency in an international language.

Of course, that relies on an infrastructure which enables those languages to be taught effectively, which will not happen in a generation.

If students spent less time wai-ing teachers and having 'teacher respect' days, students might realise that they are individuals who should be respected themselves.

Dressing up as robots every day with name and number on their shirts, just shows the contempt with which the Government, via the education ministry, views students.

Today is 2 years since the democratic election (albeit PTP didn't get their hands on the reins until August). One would have thought that the situation about being prepared for ASEAN membership, would have been on the radar before now.

Another point here:

Education ministry's message: "Education only in Bangkok ONLY BANGKOK in the future... and screw the rest of Thailand, because they live in dirty Isaan villages, so they don't deserve a high chance for basic quality education"

Bottomline is, the feudal political society wants to get the entire nation out of the stinky provinces and flock to Bangkok ONLY BANGKOK, and by merging schools together, they made the start into Bangkokinisation

I can't see any enthusiasm here in the North, to generate Chiang Maianisation. Educated Reds? Whatever next?

[hellodolly]

And, it's the Asean Economic Community that is due to start in 2015.

ASEAN itself has been in operation for years already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations

I think last year they said it would be late 2015 before they start.

No guarantees they are probably on Thai time.

[Noistar]

And, it's the Asean Economic Community that is due to start in 2015.

ASEAN itself has been in operation for years already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations

I think last year they said it would be late 2015 before they start.

No guarantees they are probably on Thai time.

Perhaps 'very late' is more realistic. Or was 2015 actually 8.15pm on an indeterminate date?

[GazR]

I hope I'm wrong, but as the government has shown itself unwilling to take on the railways union, I doubt whether it will prove to be any different with the teachers union, so those minority vested interests supporting the status quo will continue to dominate both policy and policy implementation thereby continuing to deny the vast majority of Thai people the means of becoming better-paid 'knowledge workers'.

[Robby nz]

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

[hellodolly]

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

Just where are they going to get teachers capable of teaching teachers to teach. Obliviously the universities don't have them. They need some one to teach them how to teach.

As far as I can make out the universities are good at running what do you want to know we will prove it poles.

[MaxLee]

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

Just where are they going to get teachers capable of teaching teachers to teach. Obliviously the universities don't have them. They need some one to teach them how to teach.

As far as I can make out the universities are good at running what do you want to know we will prove it poles.

Where are they going to get teachers who want to teach a 1000000000....+++++ students PER classroom for just 300 Dollars per month???

[Robby nz]

hellodolly, on 06 Jul 2013 - 14:49, said:

Robby nz, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:53, said:

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

Just where are they going to get teachers capable of teaching teachers to teach. Obliviously the universities don't have them. They need some one to teach them how to teach.

As far as I can make out the universities are good at running what do you want to know we will prove it poles.

Where are they going to get teachers who want to teach a 1000000000....+++++ students PER classroom for just 300 Dollars per month???

I don't see that it is obvious that universities don't have the people to teach teachers.

At present universities teach the subjects they are charged with teaching and that is not teaching teachers.

I suspect that if tasked with setting up specific collages or even post graduate courses there are those out there who have the knowledge and skills to do the job.

After all there are no lack of overseas examples to call on.

And don't try to tell me ' all Thais are '.

As for you Max, brain in gear.

Look at the number of those who took the assistant teacher exam, they obviously wanted to be teachers even though few actually passed whatever the exam was.

Of course the specter of corruption once again raises its ugly head.

However the first year of a say 3 or 4 year teacher training course wood weed out the rubbish who think they are only there for an easy ride or because daddy paid.

[Thai at Heart]

hellodolly, on 06 Jul 2013 - 14:49, said:

Robby nz, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:53, said:

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

Just where are they going to get teachers capable of teaching teachers to teach. Obliviously the universities don't have them. They need some one to teach them how to teach.

As far as I can make out the universities are good at running what do you want to know we will prove it poles.

Where are they going to get teachers who want to teach a 1000000000....+++++ students PER classroom for just 300 Dollars per month???

I don't see that it is obvious that universities don't have the people to teach teachers.

At present universities teach the subjects they are charged with teaching and that is not teaching teachers.

I suspect that if tasked with setting up specific collages or even post graduate courses there are those out there who have the knowledge and skills to do the job.

After all there are no lack of overseas examples to call on.

And don't try to tell me ' all Thais are '.

As for you Max, brain in gear.

Look at the number of those who took the assistant teacher exam, they obviously wanted to be teachers even though few actually passed whatever the exam was.

Of course the specter of corruption once again raises its ugly head.

However the first year of a say 3 or 4 year teacher training course wood weed out the rubbish who think they are only there for an easy ride or because daddy paid.

If nothing is graded rigorously you end up with the crazy situation that 50k people apply for 1k jobs. What's wrong with only accepting graduates with 3.5 average to be teachers and doing it by interview?

The problem starts that everyone passes, and there is no differentiation between the abilities.

[Robby nz]

If nothing is graded rigorously you end up with the crazy situation that 50k people apply for 1k jobs. What's wrong with only accepting graduates with 3.5 average to be teachers and doing it by interview?

The problem starts that everyone passes, and there is no differentiation between the abilities.

All part of the planning that should go into this T A H.

There should be a clear career path mapped out for potential teachers with the correct degree as an entry requirement into a teachers collage or course.

Then you start talking about interviews or whatever.

But Hay I'm not the one who has to nut this out that's the job of the minister and his department.

Whether he has the will to really try to fix things or the department the ability to implement any new policies is another thing.

For all we know it's all mouth music at this point.

[Noistar]

The problem seems to be that Thai culture is very introspective. There is no 'look to what you want to achieve, and go for it'.

Thai culture demands constant repetition. The current teachers ensuring the current students achieve the same woeful standards as them.

Obviously the same for industry. Schools feed students who have an ability to follow the same achievements as all previous intakes.

Thailand needs a good kick up the backside.

Stop dressing children as robots, treat them as individuals and let them choose their own goals.

The idea of 'join the dots' education doesn't help students or the country.

I've got a hell of a headache - this brick wall is hard!

[MaxLee]

hellodolly, on 06 Jul 2013 - 14:49, said:

Robby nz, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:53, said:

I read elsewhere that Jautaporn is talking about setting up more "red schools".

Just what Thai kids need an alternative education system that preaches red democracy.

As I posted already the first step is to get rid of the assistant teacher set up where new entrants are taught by existing teachers, for the way it is the new teachers can only learn the way things are not the way they should be.

There needs to be a series of teacher training collages set up the same as there is medical schools and nursing collages.

This will give the same importance to education as medicine.

These collages can also hold courses to retrain existing teachers and prepare teachers to teach specialist subjects with diplomas or degrees that would be recognized in other countries.

A no fail system would not be part of it and good English skills would be an obvious requirement.

Just where are they going to get teachers capable of teaching teachers to teach. Obliviously the universities don't have them. They need some one to teach them how to teach.

As far as I can make out the universities are good at running what do you want to know we will prove it poles.

Where are they going to get teachers who want to teach a 1000000000....+++++ students PER classroom for just 300 Dollars per month???

I don't see that it is obvious that universities don't have the people to teach teachers.

At present universities teach the subjects they are charged with teaching and that is not teaching teachers.

I suspect that if tasked with setting up specific collages or even post graduate courses there are those out there who have the knowledge and skills to do the job.

After all there are no lack of overseas examples to call on.

And don't try to tell me ' all Thais are '.

As for you Max, brain in gear.

Look at the number of those who took the assistant teacher exam, they obviously wanted to be teachers even though few actually passed whatever the exam was.

Of course the specter of corruption once again raises its ugly head.

However the first year of a say 3 or 4 year teacher training course wood weed out the rubbish who think they are only there for an easy ride or because daddy paid.

The while point here, is that this Education PROPAGANDA SUCKS AND IS BAD, REEEEAALLLLYYYY BAAAAAAAD FOR THE BRAIN, no normal child can survive such an extreme rote learning procedure... it MAKES stupid and takes away the entire natural common senses...

[slapout]

The system is being blamed as the cause of underachievment of students this week. Next week or the next Education Minister will repeat this as well as other much used excuses which have been used for ages.

When you have people in a position of authority, who fear intelligent competition from those who work for them, demand they be kotowed to, strut around in uniforms bedecked with ribbons, gained their position in one of several ways, of which most involved cheating or are illegal, were brought up in the same system, maybe its the people within the ;system' that are largely to blame.

What reward is there for someone to think outside the box, amd intoduce a modern way of approaching education? Those in charge have no experience in anything except getting what benifit they can from the system, themselves and they certainly do not want anyone more experienced, or more clever than they are to be visable in 'their' system.

[MaxLee]

The system is being blamed as the cause of underachievment of students this week. Next week or the next Education Minister will repeat this as well as other much used excuses which have been used for ages.

When you have people in a position of authority, who fear intelligent competition from those who work for them, demand they be kotowed to, strut around in uniforms bedecked with ribbons, gained their position in one of several ways, of which most involved cheating or are illegal, were brought up in the same system, maybe its the people within the ;system' that are largely to blame.

What reward is there for someone to think outside the box, amd intoduce a modern way of approaching education? Those in charge have no experience in anything except getting what benifit they can from the system, themselves and they certainly do not want anyone more experienced, or more clever than they are to be visable in 'their' system.

This FEAR of intelligent competition is called FEAR OF LOSING FACE, and it ruins the entire Nation's social and mental well being...