Falang driving kids with no helmets.

[Throatwobbler]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently. Falang parents doing the school run with both of them no helmet on. Saw one today, the kid went to Sarasas judging by the uniform. The other one is seeing the kid on the back with some little helmet and parent on the front wearing none. What happens if you have an accident/ Do you want to leave your kid Fatherless(most common) or Motherless(rare but I see it). Do you value your kids life and future so lightly?

I know a helmet won't always save you but it helps. I know you think you are a good driver but when someone cuts you up crazily then there is not a lot you can do.

If you are one of these people please think and do the right thing.

[I Like Thai]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

[Throatwobbler]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It makes me sad to see young kids lives put at risk because of the recklessness of their parents.

Maybe if by this thread I can make one person think I will have made a difference. I see you don't care.

[BlackArtemis]

Yes it is sad, I see the same thing as I go to work.

Personally, as a foreigner living here I can't understand why you wouldn't shell out the $ for a proper SNELL/DOT rated helmet for you and your loved ones.

Bought one for my GF on a visit back home, $130usd for a proper helmet, got her a proper jacket and gloves too.

Even if you can't get home LS2 makes a decent lid and you can get them for a reasonable price here.

[tingtong]

some gets depressed so easy...

you know how many bathroom accidents are there? yet for your sake, i hope you take a shower once in a while.

walking in some cities here just as adventurous as driving around in no helmet, sometimes even more so.

the key is to decide the risk what you take, and act accordingly...ie. when i drive with no helmet, i dont race down the road ( anyway, i dont, but that isnt the point).

just as you decide that shower is a acceptable risk in your slippery bathroom.

life cant be lived in fear all the time, or just lose all the fun of it and become a robot slave of rules.

[amexpat]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It's called Reckless Endangerment of a Child and it is a felony in many places.

Of course, that is in the "nanny state" where sensible laws are enforced.

[DaamNaam]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It's called Reckless Endangerment of a Child and it is a felony in many places.

Of course, that is in the "nanny state" where sensible laws are enforced.

We're not in Kansas anymore Toto.

[uptheos]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It makes me sad to see young kids lives put at risk because of the recklessness of their parents.

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Then don't look at the Thai riders with kids, or you'll be on Prozac for eternity!

[Throatwobbler]

some gets depressed so easy...

you know how many bathroom accidents are there? yet for your sake, i hope you take a shower once in a while.

walking in some cities here just as adventurous as driving around in no helmet, sometimes even more so.

the key is to decide the risk what you take, and act accordingly...ie. when i drive with no helmet, i dont race down the road ( anyway, i dont, but that isnt the point).

just as you decide that shower is a acceptable risk in your slippery bathroom.

life cant be lived in fear all the time, or just lose all the fun of it and become a robot slave of rules.

The point is you decide to take that risk. Do the kids on the back of the back fully understand the danger they are being put in. This thread is not about the people driving the bike but the danger they are putting their kids in. I'm sorry if that is a difficult concept for you.

[GirlDrinkDrunk]

so, because someone's skin is white it means they should automatically embrace your notion of what is right and what is wrong?

And why does it depress only with white folk? are the brown ones somehow less important, or do you just not care about them?

Prepare to be disappointed.

Edited September 2, 2013 by GirlDrinkDrunk

[metisdead]

Trolling and nonsense posts have been removed.

[Throatwobbler]

so, because someone's skin is white it means they should automatically embrace your notion of what is right and what is wrong?

And why does it depress only with white folk? are the brown ones somehow less important, or do you just not care about them?

Prepare to be disappointed.

Ok so you are happy to see kids put in dangerous situations and you think that's ok. That says a lot about you as a person.

[Throatwobbler]

so, because someone's skin is white it means they should automatically embrace your notion of what is right and what is wrong?

And why does it depress only with white folk? are the brown ones somehow less important, or do you just not care about them?

Prepare to be disappointed.

By the way if you haven't realized this is a forum for falangs so of course I am going to talk about falangs on here. How dare you say I don't think brown skinned people are not important.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

By the way if you haven't realized this is a forum for falangs so of course I am going to talk about falangs on here. How dare you say I don't think brown skinned people are not important.

There was me thinking this was a forum for English speaking people with an interest in Thailand.

[Throatwobbler]

By the way if you haven't realized this is a forum for falangs so of course I am going to talk about falangs on here. How dare you say I don't think brown skinned people are not important.

There was me thinking this was a forum for English speaking people with an interest in Thailand.

So how is my post hoping kids don't get killed not showing an interest in Thailand? This is showing an interest in the future of Thailand. And appealing to English speaking people. I would be interested how this does not fit your criteria about the forum.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Trolling and nonsense posts have been removed.

Huh.. I think they're still there.

Or.. or there were actually worse posts than these?!

[puukao]

Some helmets are too heavy for kids, and put undue strain on their neck. in fact, I think most do. the lighter ones are likely much more expensive.

if worried, please go and BUY a few helmets that will work on children and hand them out.

[hellodolly]

Thai's do it. Monkey see monkey do.

I do agree there should be tougher helmet laws though.

But hey, up to you / them as they say in the classics.

Yes I see it every time I go out. But I was wondering is it as bad in all of Thailand? I had heard that Bangkok of course has the problem but no where near the degree that we do here in Chiang Mai. Most every time this topic comes up some one comes along and says most of the helmets here are crap get an expensive one.

Now I am sure there is a lot of truth in those words how ever I was wondering if at low speed accidents would they not be an asset? In other words some thing is better than nothing. I don't ride one but I just realized my wife might have a cheap one. I will have to look into that. I had never given it a thought. I believe there is a shop on the road between Mikes burgers on the moat and before you get to China town. Would they have a fairly decent one?

[hellodolly]

By the way if you haven't realized this is a forum for falangs so of course I am going to talk about falangs on here. How dare you say I don't think brown skinned people are not important.

There was me thinking this was a forum for English speaking people with an interest in Thailand.

So how is my post hoping kids don't get killed not showing an interest in Thailand? This is showing an interest in the future of Thailand. And appealing to English speaking people. I would be interested how this does not fit your criteria about the forum.

This is a form for English speaking people regardless of color. I feel that some of them may stay here and be a part of the future so protect them all. The youth are the future and we as parents are responsible for them. Well up to a certain age.

[I Like Thai]

some gets depressed so easy...

you know how many bathroom accidents are there? yet for your sake, i hope you take a shower once in a while.

walking in some cities here just as adventurous as driving around in no helmet, sometimes even more so.

the key is to decide the risk what you take, and act accordingly...ie. when i drive with no helmet, i dont race down the road ( anyway, i dont, but that isnt the point).

just as you decide that shower is a acceptable risk in your slippery bathroom.

life cant be lived in fear all the time, or just lose all the fun of it and become a robot slave of rules.

The point is you decide to take that risk. Do the kids on the back of the back fully understand the danger they are being put in. This thread is not about the people driving the bike but the danger they are putting their kids in. I'm sorry if that is a difficult concept for you.

Yes, THEIR kids, not yours, or is that a difficult concept for you

You come on telling us about you feeling depressed, but you didn't actually do anything, so don't take the high moral ground, you haven't done anything to earn it.

[malcyx]

I think its wrong to drive or be a passenger with no helmet...

I have friends who do it , but its not my place to tell others what to do .

Proper education videos,photos ,meeting people who have suffered because of

an accident would help get kids (falang or thai) make there choice of whether they

wear a helmet or not..

I said make a choice , because as it stands in Thailand , you have a choice (up to you)...

laws or no laws , still (up to you)..

[Chiengmaijoe]

Posting here, more likely than not, achieves absolutely nothing other than showing us how concerned and depressed you are. The truth is , you've done no more than the people you slate for not caring. If you feel so strongly as to be depressed, you should act, rather than just post here. I look forward to hearing how you got on.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Chiengmaijoe

[bristolgeoff]

this is Thailand/chiang mai get used to it .it will happen everyday on any soi.not your concern

[AnotherOneAmerican]

By the way if you haven't realized this is a forum for falangs so of course I am going to talk about falangs on here. How dare you say I don't think brown skinned people are not important.

There was me thinking this was a forum for English speaking people with langsan interest in Thailand.

So how is my post hoping kids don't get killed not showing an interest in Thailand? This is showing an interest in the future of Thailand. And appealing to English speaking people. I would be interested how this does not fit your criteria about the forum.

You wrote "this is a forum for falangs", so you are now claiming that you don't know "falangs" is a racist term for "white foreigners".

Plenty of us on here are neither "white" nor "foreigners".

Your OP was nothing about the general safety of "kids", but only about the children of white skinned foreigners.

PS

Just drove the neighbours teen daughter to school as she missed the school bus.

Neither of us wore helmets, but it's OK and it wouldn't have bothered you as we aren't "falangs".

Edited September 3, 2013 by AnotherOneAmerican

[alfieconn]

I see it everyday from Thais and Farangs and just shake my head in amazement at the stupidty of the parents, why is it that parents allow this ? lack of brains, selfishness, no money to buy an helmet or do they just think that they are in some sort of bubble that makes them immune from having an accident !

Footnote : I would imagine from the lack of compassion shown from some of the posters on this thread shows that they have not visited visited a child on a life support machine in hospital or been to a childs funeral that have been involved in a motorcycle accident, if they ever have too then perhaps their views would be different

[Trujillo]

I think the key here is about being able to understand how actions can or could precipitate consequences. Some people are oblivious to the possible results of their actions. The easy answer to the "why" question is, "I don't think I will crash," and statistically, that's a fair assumption. Millions of kilometers are driven with a small ratio of accidents, and even those do not always result in death by head injury. That's not to say it's not possible -- it is, but frankly, unlikely.

Similarly, people have some "instinct" that when you are riding a push-bike you don't need a helmet. Or that you sort of ought to, but hey, it's a bicycle...

By the way, I believe that the OP was pointing to foreigners because the conventional wisdom is that they, "ought to know better," than the locals (a sentiment I agree with).

[alfieconn]

Posting here, more likely than not, achieves absolutely nothing other than showing us how concerned and depressed you are. The truth is , you've done no more than the people you slate for not caring. If you feel so strongly as to be depressed, you should act, rather than just post here. I look forward to hearing how you got on.

Any suggestions on how the poster should act ?

[FolkGuitar]

I shouldn't be... but I am. I'm amazed when I see someone make a posting about his feelings for children's safety, and the post gets torn apart for;

being in the wrong forum

taking about people's race and the terms for them

safety in the shower

that it's none of his business in the first place

HEY! He's sharing his feelings. You are sitting there telling him he has no right to feel them. That it's none of his business. Yet YOU tell him what his business should be?

Do you see the irony here?

[gabruce]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It's called Reckless Endangerment of a Child and it is a felony in many places.

Of course, that is in the "nanny state" where sensible laws are enforced.

or "nonsense" laws!!! It's all your perspective. Personally I'd prefer seeing motorbikes with full roll-cages and drivers and passengers both required to wear full body armour Seriously, where are the solid studies showing that helmets make a difference for careful drivers travelling at low speeds (or high speeds for that matter).

[Considered Opinion]

This is a depressing thing I have been seeing a lot of recently

Why does it depress you ? Do you get depressed about a lot of things that are no concern of yours ?

It's called Reckless Endangerment of a Child and it is a felony in many places.

Of course, that is in the "nanny state" where sensible laws are enforced.

It's a "felony" in the United States. As is driving under the influence, marrying a member of another race or drinking from a water fountain marked "whites only".

Yes- nanny state indeed. If you need laws like that you are in the wrong country. Thailand whilst often being found wanting in some areas, at least makes YOU responsible for YOUR stupidity.