Thai Deputy PM Phongthep to seek cabinet's approval on corruption prevention draft bill

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Phongthep to seek cabinet's approval on corruption prevention draft bill

BANGKOK, 3 October 2013 (NNT) - Deputy Prime Minister Phongthep Thepkanjana will next week seek a nod from the cabinet to the Prime Minister’s Office’s proposal to get the private sector involved in the government’s projects.

According to Deputy Prime Minister Phongthep Thepkanjana, the Prime Minister’s Office will propose a bill draft allowing the private sector to observe all the government projects as well as its spending.

The draft is now being vetted by the Office of the Council of State before being forwarded to the cabinet meeting on October 8th.

According to the deputy prime minister, the move will ensure the public of the government's transparency in all of its projects.

Under the new rule, the private sector will only act as an observer. It will neither have the right to vote nor take part in any of the projects. However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts.

If they suspect that there is corruption involved in any project, they can report the matter to the agency directly responsible for the project.

-- NNT 2013-10-03

[Pimay1]

If they suspect that there is corruption involved in any project, they can report the matter to the agency directly responsible for the project.

And immediately be sued for slander and hurting someone's reputation.

[Tatsujin]

If they suspect that there is corruption involved in any project, they can report the matter to the agency directly responsible for the project.

And immediately be sued for slander and hurting someone's reputation.

You beat me to it lol

This does assume of course that those businesses involved are not also directly involved in the same corruption which I find a little hard to believe.

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Meanwhile, all of the Governmental agencies such as the bureaucrats and judiciary can carry on as usual.

[slapout]

If we look at the past reception given to those, either private or civil service, who have pointed out corruption, there seems to be a lot of different approaches.

Transfer to another job description

Intimidation of those reporting

disappearance of those reporting

Even a few deaths have been attributed to 'whistle blowing'

Advancement affected in a negative manner

Lawsuits filed

Charges filed against those complaining

When you have a family of thugs/theives, would you expect results reporting their transgressions to the family head/father?

Edited October 3, 2013 by slapout

[tomross46]

Any one not affiliated with the dynasty will investigated and convicted.

[micksterbs]

Window dressing, just window dressing...

[scorecard]

From the headline piece:

".....However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts. ...."

So is this some new approach. Seems to me that the public should already, automatically, at all times, as a matter of good governance, as a matter of the right to know, in details, how taxpayers funds are being spent, should have access to the full details of mooted spending, actual spending etc.

And the gov't of the day should as a matter of course be required at all times to promptly show to all, and explain to all, the intent to spend, the TORs, the actual contracts, the actual spending, and the gov't of the day should be required by overriding laws to instantly explain in detail where funds have been spent, the names on cheques, etc., etc. No matter how you try to wrap it up, the government are accountable fully to the people.

"....private (meaning public) will be given the authority to thoroughly examine....." The arrogance is bigger then the lack of values and that's saying something.

Edited October 3, 2013 by scorecard

[Baerboxer]

From the headline piece:

".....However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts. ...."

So is this some new approach. Seems to me that the public should already, automatically, at all times, as a matter of good governance, as a matter of the right to know, in details, how taxpayers funds are being spent, should have access to the full details of mooted spending, actual spending etc.

And the gov't of the day should as a matter of course be required at all times to promptly show to all, and explain to all, the intent to spend, the TORs, the actual contracts, the actual spending, and the gov't of the day should be required by overriding laws to instantly explain in detail where funds have been spent, the names on cheques, etc., etc. No matter how you try to wrap it up, the government are accountable fully to the people.

"....private (meaning public) will be given the authority to thoroughly examine....." The arrogance is bigger then the lack of values and that's saying something.

The US and EU have strict rules regarding public spending, tendering procedures, award methodology and contract placement. Yet, corruption and fraud are frequently discovered in both. No matter how hard you make it, crooks will find a way. The difference is that in the US and EU people who are caught doing this are severely punished. Here, where its rife and seems the rule rather than the exception, the punishment depends on who you are and your connections not what you've done.

Just window dressing - how long before the PM/DM announces her initiative to eradicate corruption has been successful and everyone can sleep easily?

[marell]

Wonder how 'Private Sector' is being defined and who decides who meets the criteria.

[Thai at Heart]

Wonder how 'Private Sector' is being defined and who decides who meets the criteria.

Do you really think these crooks understand what Public sector means? I think they believe it means, "By Public Donation".

[Neilly]

According to Deputy Prime Minister Phongthep Thepkanjana, the Prime Minister’s Office will propose a bill draft allowing the private sector to observe all the government projects as well as its spending.

[jbrain]

If they suspect that there is corruption involved in any project, they can report the matter to the agency directly responsible for the project.

Ever taken in consideration that the agency might be corrupt ?

[monkeycountry]

From the headline piece:

".....However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts. ...."

So is this some new approach. Seems to me that the public should already, automatically, at all times, as a matter of good governance, as a matter of the right to know, in details, how taxpayers funds are being spent, should have access to the full details of mooted spending, actual spending etc.

And the gov't of the day should as a matter of course be required at all times to promptly show to all, and explain to all, the intent to spend, the TORs, the actual contracts, the actual spending, and the gov't of the day should be required by overriding laws to instantly explain in detail where funds have been spent, the names on cheques, etc., etc. No matter how you try to wrap it up, the government are accountable fully to the people.

"....private (meaning public) will be given the authority to thoroughly examine....." The arrogance is bigger then the lack of values and that's saying something.

The US and EU have strict rules regarding public spending, tendering procedures, award methodology and contract placement. Yet, corruption and fraud are frequently discovered in both. No matter how hard you make it, crooks will find a way. The difference is that in the US and EU people who are caught doing this are severely punished. Here, where its rife and seems the rule rather than the exception, the punishment depends on who you are and your connections not what you've done.

Just window dressing - how long before the PM/DM announces her initiative to eradicate corruption has been successful and everyone can sleep easily?

Probably more importantly, in most of those countries the press is completely free, and in many of them the public (including the press) has the right by law to check any and all government documents, incl. contracts, accounts, budgets etc. So when they find wrongdoing they print it on the front page and those doing wrong will lose their jobs whether they are politicians or CEOs, simply because a reputation of being corrupt is unacceptable to both political parties and large companies. Edited October 3, 2013 by monkeycountry

[tetleythedog]

If they suspect that there is corruption involved in any project, they can report the matter to the agency directly responsible for the project.

And immediately be sued for slander and hurting someone's reputation.

Either that or stand in line for their slice of the pie !

[hawker9000]

See the thing about corruption is that it's by definition illegal in the 1st place. You can't cure it with more legislation. It's about social values and inclination. If the govt and the society generally is inclined to it, then putting a stop to it isn't really feasible. I believe Thailand (and they're certainly not alone) has unfortunately reached this tipping point.

[phitsanulokjohn]

They call this emoticon ''The passifier'' in my country it's known as a dummy.Either way gives you something to suck on.

[indyuk]

From the headline piece:

".....However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts. ...."

So is this some new approach. Seems to me that the public should already, automatically, at all times, as a matter of good governance, as a matter of the right to know, in details, how taxpayers funds are being spent, should have access to the full details of mooted spending, actual spending etc.

And the gov't of the day should as a matter of course be required at all times to promptly show to all, and explain to all, the intent to spend, the TORs, the actual contracts, the actual spending, and the gov't of the day should be required by overriding laws to instantly explain in detail where funds have been spent, the names on cheques, etc., etc. No matter how you try to wrap it up, the government are accountable fully to the people.

"....private (meaning public) will be given the authority to thoroughly examine....." The arrogance is bigger then the lack of values and that's saying something.

The US and EU have strict rules regarding public spending, tendering procedures, award methodology and contract placement. Yet, corruption and fraud are frequently discovered in both. No matter how hard you make it, crooks will find a way. The difference is that in the US and EU people who are caught doing this are severely punished. Here, where its rife and seems the rule rather than the exception, the punishment depends on who you are and your connections not what you've done.

Just window dressing - how long before the PM/DM announces her initiative to eradicate corruption has been successful and everyone can sleep easily?

Excellent! Transparency however already exists. City by City,Town by Town, village by village the seriously corrupti are known by many. It is the lack of the will of the establishment not to punish their own among Thailand's insiders that prevents the electorate from being cheated.

Arrest, convict, and punish Thailand's finest of the fine that are corrupt now and corruption will start to fade away.

Could you do that for your people oh mighty and lovable Crab?

[robblok]

From the headline piece:

".....However, the private organizations will be given the authority to thoroughly examine all the terms of reference (ToRs) and procurement contracts. ...."

So is this some new approach. Seems to me that the public should already, automatically, at all times, as a matter of good governance, as a matter of the right to know, in details, how taxpayers funds are being spent, should have access to the full details of mooted spending, actual spending etc.

And the gov't of the day should as a matter of course be required at all times to promptly show to all, and explain to all, the intent to spend, the TORs, the actual contracts, the actual spending, and the gov't of the day should be required by overriding laws to instantly explain in detail where funds have been spent, the names on cheques, etc., etc. No matter how you try to wrap it up, the government are accountable fully to the people.

"....private (meaning public) will be given the authority to thoroughly examine....." The arrogance is bigger then the lack of values and that's saying something.

The US and EU have strict rules regarding public spending, tendering procedures, award methodology and contract placement. Yet, corruption and fraud are frequently discovered in both. No matter how hard you make it, crooks will find a way. The difference is that in the US and EU people who are caught doing this are severely punished. Here, where its rife and seems the rule rather than the exception, the punishment depends on who you are and your connections not what you've done.

Just window dressing - how long before the PM/DM announces her initiative to eradicate corruption has been successful and everyone can sleep easily?

Excellent! Transparency however already exists. City by City,Town by Town, village by village the seriously corrupti are known by many. It is the lack of the will of the establishment not to punish their own among Thailand's insiders that prevents the electorate from being cheated.

Arrest, convict, and punish Thailand's finest of the fine that are corrupt now and corruption will start to fade away.

Could you do that for your people oh mighty and lovable Crab?

It would be a great step forward if they went after anyone corrupt no matter if they were democrat of PTP and actually convict them plus make them pay the money back that was stolen. However this will never happen as corruption is the only reason for them to be in government. Just look at dear leader.. the most corrupt of them all. Convicted but not willing to do the time.

Get them all.. Democrat and PTP find out who is wrong convict them take away their money.