RefinedGentleman Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 OT but this snipet Despite more than two decades as a soldier, however, the highest rank he attained was sergeant first class. Is a bit misleading. Sergeant First Class is pay grade E-7. There are nine enlisted personnel pay grade (E-1 to E9) so his rank at the time of discharge was normal, not exceptional but far from substandard. Whether or not it was substandard depends on your perspective, ambition, and intelligence. Speaking from experience and having reached buck sergeant, E5, in 21 months--and that after intentionally being recycled through basic for 4 months instead of 2 (making it 16 months actual time from pfc. to buck sergeant)--retiring after 20 years as E6 seems most definitely substandard, although not unusual. And that may in fact be what you mean, since plenty of EMs retire at E6 if they are uneducated and unmotivated. The first clue to underperformance and lack of ambition is being assigned as a drill instructor late in a career. All it requires is an ability to wake up early and yell profanities. Why in the world would you intentionally go through basic twice? A congressman followed up on reports of unauthorized procedures in basic to include forcing a GI with back problems to pack up an entire locker and footlocker and carry them to the supply room in order to have permission to see a doctor. A CI (Congressional Investigation) ensued and the commanding officer and company sergeant major lost their command and their parting shot was to issue recycle orders. A choice was then presented--since all training obligations had been met--to have the recycle orders rescinded, or to spend two more months in basic as an advisor with special privileges, such as having a private room with a locking door and exemption from repeating much of the training regimen. Opting to repeat basic was choosing a known entity and offered some control over the timing of deployment overseas. Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RefinedGentleman Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer Why do you say a trained military guy was paid millions of $$$$. ? 20 years of service x 70, 000 bucks a year salary. Do the math. Also consider all his weapons and extra training. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Even after 20 years of service, he wouldn't have been earning 70k per year. Look at the military pay scale. For the first half of his career he was probably earning less than 3k per month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericthai Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Knowing the law here can be bought, Then Thailand is perfect for criminals to operate from! Really?? Didnt seem to work for Mr. Hunter and I'm sure he has enough money to pay. Everyone says you can buy your way out of anything in Thailand. However I know a few guys that got into trouble and no matter how much they tried to pay their way out, they were unable. Not all the police in Thailand are corrupt. (I would say most, but not all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puukao Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I have never seen my neighbors work a real job. they sleep in, stay up late, and use the internet cafe at strange hours. they walk around, and not sure what else. they eat 30 baht meals and always look as though they just dumped a body in the river. they are in their 30's and say they have been doing this for 10 years. who knows... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer Why do you say a trained military guy was paid millions of $$$$. ? 20 years of service x 70, 000 bucks a year salary. Do the math. Also consider all his weapons and extra training. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Even after 20 years of service, he wouldn't have been earning 70k per year. Look at the military pay scale. For the first half of his career he was probably earning less than 3k per month. Don't forget, tax free, and no expenses. Minus some beer and incidentals, that's about $30k straight into the bank account per year, if no dependents. Edited October 5, 2013 by NamKangMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericthai Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Shameless trial by media. The headline should read: Is my neighbor an ALLEGED contract killer. Someone please shown me one shred of evidence that this guy has been FOUND GUILTY of anything more serious then "Cussing" at some cops... Did you read the article? He admitted to DEA agents that he was hired to kill two female real estate agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLUBBER Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I dont have to watch breaking bad anymore , just read the TV forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unanimosity Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer Why do you say a trained military guy was paid millions of $$$$. ? 20 years of service x 70, 000 bucks a year salary. Do the math. Also consider all his weapons and extra training. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Where did you get your figure of 70K/yr for a staff sergeant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer I don't know about "ironic" but if someone walked into the majority of bars here and offer $850,000US to do a hit, with $50,000US up front - a think a lot of expats here would take the contract and then outsource the kill. So, the thread title is "Is my neighbor a contract killer?" - BUT, who is the guy sitting next to you at the bar, and what is he capable of, or could be tempted into doing? Edited October 5, 2013 by NamKangMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf5370 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Well I have a police station on my right and the house on my left is rented by four girls who work at the 7-11 opposite. "“The act came into effect very recently – on September 24 – and with this act, officers tackling transnational crime cases now have the right to conduct searches without having to wait for a court to issue a search warrant,” said Deputy Commissioner General Chongrak Chutanon." Basically this means that any BIB can search your home without any dependency on the courts for a warrant to do so - just by showing their ID and saying they suspect you are involved in international crime. This country is getting more and more like Zimbabwe by the month! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 “We have always checked prospective tenants’ backgrounds carefully before letting them rent a house,” said one of the management team at the estate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer Why do you say a trained military guy was paid millions of $$$$. ? 20 years of service x 70, 000 bucks a year salary. Do the math. Also consider all his weapons and extra training. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Where did you get your figure of 70K/yr for a staff sergeant? lol.. 70,000 since his first year in the service???? I retired with 24 years....My first year (1972) I barely took home 300 dollars a paycheck twice a month. My retirement check gains will accumulate to a million if I stay alive until 90. Sounds smarter to put that all in the bank (I only put half) than to risk a 30 year prison term with a million waiting on the other end. When said and done, I will have enjoyed my life more... and have kissed many more girls....and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me313 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Trained to be a killer in the Army, and used the education to further his career later in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 OT but this snipet Despite more than two decades as a soldier, however, the highest rank he attained was sergeant first class. Is a bit misleading. Sergeant First Class is pay grade E-7. There are nine enlisted personnel pay grade (E-1 to E9) so his rank at the time of discharge was normal, not exceptional but far from substandard. That is correct. Many only make E-7 with 20 years in. With an E-8 or E-9 pay grade, your looking at spending upwards of 30 years in the military. Then you either have to be very good in your mos or an exceptional brown noser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 All our neighbours are Doo Gooders.. seems to be more and more coming here every year. Would be a good place to hide yourself away and seems to be that they all go unchecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowolf2012 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Now i come from Denmark, and most of those people there come on hollyday from Denmark is criminal. Not a crime there is to big for Dennish goverment, but black money also money people not have pay tax of go be used in Thailand. but it's same all over the wold people not want to pay high tax for this and that. and try to move the money before tax people can get the money... crime do not pay. No matter what crime.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was at the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer If he actually did any sniping in the field, it was presumably against clearly identified and declared enemies of his nation. In this case, he agreed to uses his skills on his own fellow citizens, in fact, law enforcement officials. I don't think its right to assume that all people that have received the same kind of training he has are a danger to the general public ... this guy has some serious moral screws loose. The vast majority of people who have served their country present no more of a threat to people around them than your grandmother (I'm talking about what they would do, not what they could do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) So the guy gets offered 850,000 US dollars to knock someone. And then gets arrested by American agents. Does anyone else find this ironic? How much do you think the American government paid to train this guy? I mean he was a8t the top of his game and if he was in the Army for 20 years then we can safely say he was paid millions of dollars to snipe people. And then he does a solo job for someone else, he declared an is an assassin? He was an assassin the day he signed up to Uncle Sam. To me its like giving a pitbull electric shocks on a daily basis and then when it bites someone everyone puts it on par with a baby killer Why do you say a trained military guy was paid millions of $$$$. ? 20 years of service x 70, 000 bucks a year salary. Do the math. Also consider all his weapons and extra training. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Even after 20 years of service, he wouldn't have been earning 70k per year. Look at the military pay scale. For the first half of his career he was probably earning less than 3k per month. Don't forget, tax free, and no expenses. Minus some beer and incidentals, that's about $30k straight into the bank account per year, if no dependents. Everybody can safely forget. Where did you get the idea that military pay is tax-free? Some allowances and special pays CAN be if deployed to a war zone and IF Congress authorizes it. And "no expenses"? You think all servicemen have expense accounts? And $70K per year?! LOL. Your propensity for making stuff up better qualifies you for the funny pages than current events commentary. But your implication that military veterans are all "trained killers" and as likely as not to prey on anybody for a paycheck is insulting, or would be were it not for the source... A guy with a military background goes over to the dark side for the money: it happens. Don't make ridiculous generalizations, particularly about things you obviously have no authentic knowledge of. Edited October 6, 2013 by hawker9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billmont Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 What do you call a neighbour who you suspect may be a hitman? Sir would be a good start.:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I've got some Italian neighbors who have been "remodeling" a complete scheit Thai house for over a year now. Hitmen? Hit the men over the head for being dummies and wasting so much cash.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phronesis Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 US government is clutching at straws on this one and trying to fabricate a conviction. If you read the 10 things you should know article closely you will discover that all previous charges against Hunter begin with the words "conspiracy to"....That means that the would be prosecutors do not have evidence of one single crime that the accused has actually done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 US government is clutching at straws on this one and trying to fabricate a conviction. If you read the 10 things you should know article closely you will discover that all previous charges against Hunter begin with the words "conspiracy to"....That means that the would be prosecutors do not have evidence of one single crime that the accused has actually done. 'Means absolutely no such thing. But it can be a means of prosecuting paticipants in the crime that didn't actually pull the trigger, drive the car, take the money , etc. And conspiracy itself actually IS a crime. You actually think Hunter is the victim of some massive put-up, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phronesis Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 US government is clutching at straws on this one and trying to fabricate a conviction. If you read the 10 things you should know article closely you will discover that all previous charges against Hunter begin with the words "conspiracy to"....That means that the would be prosecutors do not have evidence of one single crime that the accused has actually done. 'Means absolutely no such thing. But it can be a means of prosecuting paticipants in the crime that didn't actually pull the trigger, drive the car, take the money , etc. And conspiracy itself actually IS a crime. You actually think Hunter is the victim of some massive put-up, or what? No. But I am always concerned when I see reams of misinformation being churned out by the US government propaganda mill. Remind me again...did they ever find those Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Everyone is entitled to an unbiased trial. Even Hunter. Seems to me the US government is going to great lengths here to pre-convict this guy with propaganda. This begs the question...WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 US government is clutching at straws on this one and trying to fabricate a conviction. If you read the 10 things you should know article closely you will discover that all previous charges against Hunter begin with the words "conspiracy to"....That means that the would be prosecutors do not have evidence of one single crime that the accused has actually done. 'Means absolutely no such thing. But it can be a means of prosecuting paticipants in the crime that didn't actually pull the trigger, drive the car, take the money , etc. And conspiracy itself actually IS a crime. You actually think Hunter is the victim of some massive put-up, or what? No. But I am always concerned when I see reams of misinformation being churned out by the US government propaganda mill. Remind me again...did they ever find those Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Everyone is entitled to an unbiased trial. Even Hunter. Seems to me the US government is going to great lengths here to pre-convict this guy with propaganda. This begs the question...WHY? Because if they don't people like you start claiming there is no information so there must be more to the story. Now they give information and you claim they are giving information so there must be more to the story. Just let justice run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 It is surprising that they arrested him at all when his expertise could have been useful in serving the interests of influential people in Thailand or, at least, transferring technical know how to their own in-house specialists. Thai police don't normally arrest Thai contract killers. They keep them on a watch list instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 US government is clutching at straws on this one and trying to fabricate a conviction. If you read the 10 things you should know article closely you will discover that all previous charges against Hunter begin with the words "conspiracy to"....That means that the would be prosecutors do not have evidence of one single crime that the accused has actually done. 'Means absolutely no such thing. But it can be a means of prosecuting paticipants in the crime that didn't actually pull the trigger, drive the car, take the money , etc. And conspiracy itself actually IS a crime. You actually think Hunter is the victim of some massive put-up, or what?No.But I am always concerned when I see reams of misinformation being churned out by the US government propaganda mill. Remind me again...did they ever find those Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Everyone is entitled to an unbiased trial. Even Hunter. Seems to me the US government is going to great lengths here to pre-convict this guy with propaganda. This begs the question...WHY? Oh please. There's no question being begged here other than why some are so obsessed with conspiracy theories. No one's being "pre-convicted" as it's not even possible. Only a jury can convict him of anything as I'm sure you well know. Everyone else IS entitled to their opinions, as the George Zimmerman case reminded us all. Just drama queens here trying to stir the pot. The guy will get his day in court. Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 It is surprising that they arrested him at all when his expertise could have been useful in serving the interests of influential people in Thailand or, at least, transferring technical know how to their own in-house specialists. Thai police don't normally arrest Thai contract killers. They keep them on a watch list instead. "It is surprising that they arrested him at all when his expertise could have been useful in serving the interests" - of the CIA operating in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 OT but this snipet Despite more than two decades as a soldier, however, the highest rank he attained was sergeant first class. Is a bit misleading. Sergeant First Class is pay grade E-7. There are nine enlisted personnel pay grade (E-1 to E9) so his rank at the time of discharge was normal, not exceptional but far from substandard. Whether or not it was substandard depends on your perspective, ambition, and intelligence. Speaking from experience and having reached buck sergeant, E5, in 21 months--and that after intentionally being recycled through basic for 4 months instead of 2 (making it 16 months actual time from pfc. to buck sergeant)--retiring after 20 years as E6 seems most definitely substandard, although not unusual. And that may in fact be what you mean, since plenty of EMs retire at E6 if they are uneducated and unmotivated. The first clue to underperformance and lack of ambition is being assigned as a drill instructor late in a career. All it requires is an ability to wake up early and yell profanities. OK, I have experience too, I made E4 in 5.5 months- but that was 1972 What's that have to do with the price of eggs? The article says he retired as a SFC, E7 pay grade. From Wiki: Sergeant first class is the first rank in the U.S. Army to be selected by the centralized promotion system. As such it is considerably more difficult to achieve than the previous ranks. A sergeant first class is considered the first senior non-commissioned officer, and gains not only notice but several benefits due the position. For example, a sergeant first class cannot be demoted by standard non-judicial punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I remember '72 Nixon was ending the Draft and to entice recruits for a Volunteer Army in 1971 they doubled the monthly salary of a Private, E1, from $134 to $268 per month. In Oct '71 there was a cost of living adjustment that increased our pay to $288. I remember reporting for pay, basically signing a check, then the paymaster- usually our company commander imediately cashing it for us, handing over the crisp new bills. I don't remember receiving a check in my PO box until some time in 1973 Man that was ages ago, 555+ Back on topic, many skills learned in the military are not exactly transferable to civilian life. This is an age old problem of what to do with discharged exservice men and how they will reintegrate into main stream society. I'm in no way defending contract killers; however, governments sanction this activity when it suits them. The true cost of wars are difficult to calculate because the liability is so very long term... Was the guy a CIA asset? beats me but his police record suggests he was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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