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Its already been said and posted with support..20,000b and you're out of here.

What I don't understand is if you got a new passport to perhaps hide your previous overstays, then you are going to start a new passport with a fresh and ripe 3yr overstay? Not logical

Posted

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

Posted

Are you tired of Thailand already?

This strategy seems to be working well for you. Why do you want to put an end to it?

3 years, or 4 or 5, same price...

Do you want now to go legit....This would mean no repeat of this kind of overstay for you...

Posted

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

I neglected to mention that you need to complete a specific Immigration form for the transfer of your old entry stamp details into a new passport. Obviously copy your entry stamp in the old passport and a copy of the TM form, both signed and dated.

I have only seen two people make note of the new passport issue and yet to see anyone who can post information specific for your situation of transferring to a new passport AND overstaying. I'm sure it has happened a lot but your period of overstay makes it a little more unique.

In essence, you have to submit the transfer to the new passport form first at immigration, then get your old entry stamp details entered into the new passport which also refs your old passport details. Assuming that goes smoothly, you can then pay the overstay fine and receive an exit stamp.

However, you have 3 steps to go through and the propensity for administrative discretion being used detrimentally to your aspirations increases with each step. Get a grumpy officer, having a bad hair day and you may be dealt with more stringently than would otherwise be the case.

The new passport will make the overstay more complicated, how much so is awaiting specific advice from someone who has experienced this specific situation. It may be worth your while seeking advice - via another party as obviously you are at risk of arrest - from Immigration at Chaeng Wattana on the issue late one afternoon when it is quiet, on the basis that they wish to collect the specific form for a new passport. Once collected then they can at least query the overstay issue.

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Posted

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

In order to assist the OP and the query please do specify exactly what is UNTRUE and then elucidate the OP on the exact procedure based on your direct experience.

Obviously, just telling someone that all will be okay if it is not based on specific, direct experience would be irresponsible and I am sure that you would not intend such.

Posted

There is no need to go to immigration to have stamps transfered unless you have an extension of stay. Just go to airport and they transfer the previous entry/permit to stay to new passport and stamp you out of the country.

OP will have no problem at the airport just because he has a new passport as long as he has his old passport.

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Posted (edited)

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

In order to assist the OP and the query please do specify exactly what is UNTRUE and then elucidate the OP on the exact procedure based on your direct experience.

Obviously, just telling someone that all will be okay if it is not based on specific, direct experience would be irresponsible and I am sure that you would not intend such.

it is untrue that you must have your entry stamp moved. you are talking about moving an extension of stay.

i have elucidated the procedure based on my direct experience.

i reiterate:

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

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Posted

I am always bemused by those that think it's ok to break the law or 'bend the rules as you see fit' here in Thailand yet are probably the most vocal about immigrants to your own home countries who abuse visa regulations there. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

Posted

In the UK "overstay" is a criminal offence and the penalties for those caught are real even for one/two day overstays !

http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/content/2726/Overstaying#

Perhaps Thailand should enact similar deterrents ?

No. Why? And then the 20K 'farang donations' would stop. It's free money for Thailand.

I understand that those who are living in Thailand by the book (I did it too, never overstayed even one day) don't like this but everyone has to gauge if they wish to take the risk of "going underground" or just pay up for extensions and such and never have to worry about being stopped and asked.

Posted (edited)

In the UK "overstay" is a criminal offence and the penalties for those caught are real even for one/two day overstays !

http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/content/2726/Overstaying#

Perhaps Thailand should enact similar deterrents ?

Perhaps Thailand should worry about biggest things rather that advice from foreigners indicating how good their country (that they left) does ?

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Posted

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

In order to assist the OP and the query please do specify exactly what is UNTRUE and then elucidate the OP on the exact procedure based on your direct experience.

Obviously, just telling someone that all will be okay if it is not based on specific, direct experience would be irresponsible and I am sure that you would not intend such.

it is untrue that you must have your entry stamp moved. you are talking about moving an extension of stay.

i have elucidated the procedure based on my direct experience.

i reiterate:

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

I am not talking about an extension of stay.

IF, his old passport has been cancelled and that contains his entry stamp and thus VOA.

IF, he has a new passport which has not been previously used.

THEN prior to being allowed to depart the country he is required to submit an Immigration form at the departure point and have his old entry stamp endorsed into the new passport via a special stamp which details the original entry date and passport details.

Once that is done a person can then receive an exit stamp and depart.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

If that is the case then I'd love you to provide specific details as you did not in any way elucidate anything. I'm not stating that what you assert is incorrect. However, just advising someone to

"bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash"

is hardly elucidation nor very helpful. It surely wouldn't hurt you to detail just a little the step by step process that you experienced

Posted

In order to assist the OP and the query please do specify exactly what is UNTRUE and then elucidate the OP on the exact procedure based on your direct experience.

hat you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

Obviously, just telling someone that all will be okay if it is not based on specific, direct experience would be irresponsible and I am sure that you would not intend such.

it is untrue that you must have your entry stamp moved. you are talking about moving an extension of stay.

i have elucidated the procedure based on my direct experience.

i reiterate:

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

I am not talking about an extension of stay.

IF, his old passport has been cancelled and that contains his entry stamp and thus VOA.

IF, he has a new passport which has not been previously used.

THEN prior to being allowed to depart the country he is required to submit an Immigration form at the departure point and have his old entry stamp endorsed into the new passport via a special stamp which details the original entry date and passport details.

Once that is done a person can then receive an exit stamp and depart.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

If that is the case then I'd love you to provide specific details as you did not in any way elucidate anything. I'm not stating that what you assert is incorrect. However, just advising someone to

"bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash"

is hardly elucidation nor very helpful. It surely wouldn't hurt you to detail just a little the step by step process that you experienced

I think it is quite clear and to the point what he/she has posted.

If you still have your old passport with the old departure card inserted then the immigration at the airport will deal with it.

What do you want a video?

Even the worse scenarios are dealt with by being escorted to immigration by a embassy official from your country at the airport.

Even extensions of stay can be dealt with at the airport,Chang Wattana will tell you to do it at the airport if you call them,this is my experience with a Canadian who had a seven year overstay.

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Posted

I am always bemused by those that think it's ok to break the law or 'bend the rules as you see fit' here in Thailand yet are probably the most vocal about immigrants to your own home countries who abuse visa regulations there. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

i am always amused by those who offer up sweeping generalizations based on idle chatter on an internet forum.

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Posted

I am not talking about an extension of stay.

IF, his old passport has been cancelled and that contains his entry stamp and thus VOA.

IF, he has a new passport which has not been previously used.

THEN prior to being allowed to depart the country he is required to submit an Immigration form at the departure point and have his old entry stamp endorsed into the new passport via a special stamp which details the original entry date and passport details. 

Once that is done a person can then receive an exit stamp and depart.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart. 

If that is the case then I'd love you to provide specific details as you did not in any way elucidate anything. I'm not stating that what you assert is incorrect. However, just advising someone to 

"bring both passports.

 

be up front.

 

have cash"

 

is hardly elucidation nor very helpful. It surely wouldn't hurt you to detail just a little the step by step process that you experienced

I doubt very much he had a VOA possibly a visa exempt entry or tourist visa.

VOA's are only for those from certain countries.

No form is needed at departure immigration only at an immigration office if you are transferring an extension of stay to a new passport is it needed.

The immigration officer on departure just stamp old entry/permit to stay stamp and departure stamp in new passport. That is it nothing more.

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Posted (edited)

In order to assist the OP and the query please do specify exactly what is UNTRUE and then elucidate the OP on the exact procedure based on your direct experience.

hat you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

UNTRUE.

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

Obviously, just telling someone that all will be okay if it is not based on specific, direct experience would be irresponsible and I am sure that you would not intend such.

it is untrue that you must have your entry stamp moved. you are talking about moving an extension of stay.

i have elucidated the procedure based on my direct experience.

i reiterate:

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

I am not talking about an extension of stay.

IF, his old passport has been cancelled and that contains his entry stamp and thus VOA.

IF, he has a new passport which has not been previously used.

THEN prior to being allowed to depart the country he is required to submit an Immigration form at the departure point and have his old entry stamp endorsed into the new passport via a special stamp which details the original entry date and passport details.

Once that is done a person can then receive an exit stamp and depart.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

If that is the case then I'd love you to provide specific details as you did not in any way elucidate anything. I'm not stating that what you assert is incorrect. However, just advising someone to

"bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash"

is hardly elucidation nor very helpful. It surely wouldn't hurt you to detail just a little the step by step process that you experienced

I think it is quite clear and to the point what he/she has posted.

If you still have your old passport with the old departure card inserted then the immigration at the airport will deal with it.

What do you want a video?

Even the worse scenarios are dealt with by being escorted to immigration by a embassy official from your country at the airport.

Even extensions of stay can be dealt with at the airport,Chang Wattana will tell you to do it at the airport if you call them,this is my experience with a Canadian who had a seven year overstay.

thank you.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

that is exactly what i am stating. the officer made a note in the new, completely unused passport, i paid, signed the receipt for the fine and got on a plane. I might add i had no departure card.

some wish to over-complicate relatively simple things.

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Posted

Go to the airport with 20,000bht + a ticket out of the country.

Be aware they may detain you whilst checks are made about any outstanding warrants/ charges.

Is this sure?

If fine for overstay is 500 bht per day, how is this possible?

Because i'm thinking in overstay as the cheapest way to stay in Thailand instead of Visas...

The maximum fine for overstaying your welcome is 20.000 THB. So after 40 days you have reached your limit.

Posted

the biggest drawback of an overstay is that you need to show a valid visa to get any number of little things done.

lose your atm card? no visa in the passport, no card.

need a police report because you need a new sim, sorry.

moving, new internet connection, phone line etc etc.

Posted

I left July this year with a 4 year overstay.

Zero problem at the airport as long as you have 20 cash for the fine.

No problem coming back.

Posted

Thanx for the assistance; helps put my mind to ease.

My old passport was almost full when it got its last visa stamp put in it. I needed a new passport to travel onto any country which needed a full empty page for a visa stamp. So, last month i got a new passport but all my visa/overstay details are in old passport.... i was told not to go to Chaeng Wattana to transfer overstay over.

It's off to the Airport then.... with 20k and onward ticket.. thanx lads

Posted

OP,

Don't worry Just go to any border, but watch out for police check points , if you get stopped on the way this changes the whole issue. I overstayed for 20+ years and paid the 20K fine and came back in 10 mins the immigration actually laughed and said!!!!! ohhh 20yrs you must like Thailand very much, I guess we will see you again in a few minutes!!!! and yes I came back in no problems at all, as was said in previous posts be polite don't try to hide anything and you will be fine. Just for you info I left via the Nongkhai Border crossing .

Pinball

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Posted

3 Brits were recently arrested in Phuket on overstay... so to say it's no problem is being very optimistic but I certainly hope that the 20000 THB fine will be paid and your sent on your way without any further to do.

Posted

There is a big difference between getting caught with an overstay and voluntarily going to immigration (office, airport or border) to pay the fine.

This has been mentioned several times in this topic. Getting caught is a risk.

Posted

Thanx for the assistance; helps put my mind to ease.

My old passport was almost full when it got its last visa stamp put in it. I needed a new passport to travel onto any country which needed a full empty page for a visa stamp. So, last month i got a new passport but all my visa/overstay details are in old passport.... i was told not to go to Chaeng Wattana to transfer overstay over.

It's off to the Airport then.... with 20k and onward ticket.. thanx lads

Would you be kind enough to video the whole process and post it for some that need assistance.biggrin.png

Joking aside post your feedback for an update please.

Posted

it is untrue that you must have your entry stamp moved. you are talking about moving an extension of stay.

i have elucidated the procedure based on my direct experience.

i reiterate:

bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash

have time before flight as they will piss around to delay you at least 30 mins, more if they are busy with another overstayer.

I am not talking about an extension of stay.

IF, his old passport has been cancelled and that contains his entry stamp and thus VOA.

IF, he has a new passport which has not been previously used.

THEN prior to being allowed to depart the country he is required to submit an Immigration form at the departure point and have his old entry stamp endorsed into the new passport via a special stamp which details the original entry date and passport details.

Once that is done a person can then receive an exit stamp and depart.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

If that is the case then I'd love you to provide specific details as you did not in any way elucidate anything. I'm not stating that what you assert is incorrect. However, just advising someone to

"bring both passports.

be up front.

have cash"

is hardly elucidation nor very helpful. It surely wouldn't hurt you to detail just a little the step by step process that you experienced

I think it is quite clear and to the point what he/she has posted.

If you still have your old passport with the old departure card inserted then the immigration at the airport will deal with it.

What do you want a video?

Even the worse scenarios are dealt with by being escorted to immigration by a embassy official from your country at the airport.

Even extensions of stay can be dealt with at the airport,Chang Wattana will tell you to do it at the airport if you call them,this is my experience with a Canadian who had a seven year overstay.

thank you.

You appear to be stating that you yourself just turned up to exit at an immigration departure point with an old cancelled passport that contained your entry stamp and a new passport with no details of entry what so ever AND that you did not need to complete any paperwork and have the entry details endorsed into the new passport prior to be able to receive an exit stamp and depart.

that is exactly what i am stating. the officer made a note in the new, completely unused passport, i paid, signed the receipt for the fine and got on a plane. I might add i had no departure card.

some wish to over-complicate relatively simple things.

And many people state everything will be easy and okay when the context is that the OP is unlawfully in the country and at risk of arrest. Having an unlawful status is hardly a "relatively simple thing".

You still didn't state how long your overstay was so we can't judge if your experience is comparable? I doubt that it was anything approaching 3 years............

I understand, it worked for you in a different context and you don't really care if the OP is arrested or encounters any problems. If it was me, I certainly wouldn't be taking advice from anyone that didn't fully detail their own experience based on similar circumstances.

It does pay to be prepared by having a clear understanding of the procedure and not assume all will be 'mai pen rai' and numerous cases have shown. Even on TV people have been advised incorrect info only to be later be subject to criminal liability. Obviously, qualified legal advice is normally preferable in such circumstances compared to those who carelessly state it will that 'everything be okay' without at least raising potential problems.

The primary context is that the OP is 3 years overstay. Legally he is risk of arrest. Practically, as we know the common practice is that if he turns up at an immigration departure point, has his 20k and is polite then all will be fine. 19 out of 20 times it is all fine but that still means 1 in 20 encounters a problem.

However, his new passport makes it a little more complicated. You and Mr Red give the impression that it is a breeze. Both of your confidence is such that I am sure that in the unlikely event the OP encounters any problems then you'll be happy to oblige to assist him and pay for any associated costs should he incur any!

If this was a requirement to offer advice I wonder if you would be so cavalier in what you state?

All I have stated to the contrary is that he will need to complete paperwork to transfer the entry details from the old passport to the new - as I was previously required to do and was prepared for having sought advice from Immigration (not in an overstay context). It will probably still be all fine but the new passport issue in the context of a long overstay does mean an extra procedure and the demeanor of an immigration officer is key. An officials discretion works both ways so it is only prudent to be fully understand what the official process entails

Anyway, the OP appears happy with the info he has and no doubt will advise everyone of his experience for future reference.

Posted

The maximum fine is 20,000 baht. There is a risk of getting caught on an overstay and being detained and deported.

And if so... No problem for return, as you posted before?

I think is not a good idea, but reading the posts, i'm thinking in the option of overstay seriously... Which is the worst risk on it?

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The worst possibility is getting caught on a routine check by the police BEFORE you get to the airport to pay your fine.

If some alert policeman notices your overstay, then you will probably go to the IDC detention.

From all reports that is NOT a nice place to be.

In addition you may have to go to Thai court and pay a fine for overstay in addition to the overstay fine.

You will be detained overnight (at least) and will miss your flight,

The airline has no responsibility if you don't make your flight for that reason.

They may not honor your ticket later or refund you the fare.

That's why you are far better off going to the airport and paying the 20K baht fine.

They will put a stamp in your passport showing you overstayed (they may write the amount of overstay in Thai) but that does NOT stop you from returning to Thailand.

You may also get a short lecture about not overstaying again.

Other than that you shouldn't have any problems, as overstay does not prevent you from returning.

Do not go to the immigration locally ... just go to the airport,

I would go there at least an hour before you normally would.... let's say 4 hours before your flight leaves at least.

That is assuming that you have had no arrests or such problems in the past. They will probably do a police records check, and if nothing is found, they will just let you pay the overstay fee, and then leave on your scheduled out of country flight.

I would NOT recommend on simply overstaying again. They don't have to be so lenient the next time.

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Posted

I think that you WILL have a problem.

The overstay is not the problem.

When one obtains a new passport, the procedure is that the entry stamp should be transferred into the new passport along with another Thai Immigration stamp which makes reference to the old passport number. It is a simple process normally done when exiting the country.

The fact that you are on an overstay AND have a new passport without any entry stamp makes 2 simple normally separate procedures more complicated.

Someone should address the specific circumstance that you find yourself in based on their own experience prior to assuming that it will not be any problem. It may not be but then ........

That might depend on the nationality. I didn't have anything transferred when I got my last passport. The embassy gave me a letter, signed and stamped and all that, in Thai and English, that explained that the visa in my previous passport should be recognized through its validity and I was to present both passports upon departure or arrival. Obviously, I guarded that thing as if my life depended on it. No problems on departure (no overstay,either, though).

I think as long as he has enough room in his old passport to get the exit stamp it shouldn't be a problem as he can just change to the new passport in the air. He would then get the entry stamp of what ever country he was travelling to in his new passport and carry on from there.

Posted

OP,

Don't worry Just go to any border, but watch out for police check points , if you get stopped on the way this changes the whole issue. I overstayed for 20+ years and paid the 20K fine and came back in 10 mins the immigration actually laughed and said!!!!! ohhh 20yrs you must like Thailand very much, I guess we will see you again in a few minutes!!!! and yes I came back in no problems at all, as was said in previous posts be polite don't try to hide anything and you will be fine. Just for you info I left via the Nongkhai Border crossing .

Pinball

20 Years without leaving Thailand !!!!

I'm speechless.

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