Thaksin says amnesty bill unfairly distorted by his political opponents

[bigbamboo]

Why does this "caddie" get more attention than the player??

Perhaps because at most golf courses the caddies are the experts and the players mere part time dilettantes.

[thaicbr]

Mister Thaksin,

Please explain how, exactly, you were PM when the tanks rollled?

Thanks in anticipation

Please explain how you think the status of the caretaker PM affects the fact that the Army stopped the entire Thai electorate from voting in a royally endorsed election due to be held on October 15th 2006? As head of his political party and in between elections he was caretaker PM. There was no political "vacuum".

Is caretaker PM like a caddie PM???

The fact is his government strictly speaking were not in power at that time (that's what caretaker PM means) because he Thaksin dissolved Parliament to get his party out of a sticky situation.

[thaicbr]

Why does this "caddie" get more attention than the player??

Perhaps because at most golf courses the caddies are the experts and the players mere part time dilettantes.

very similar to Thai politics then... not sure about the expert caddy though

[Nickymaster]

Mr. Miss-understood doesn't understand why people judge by actions and not by nice stories about the future of our children etc.

[fab4]

"Although I live abroad, I still love and care about the future of Thai children. I believe that the future of our children and the country will be stable only when our country has a rule of law that applies equally to all Thais equally and the country has genuine democracy. The decision of the majority Thais in an election must be respected and various organisations must use their power within the framework set by the Constitution. I hope that we will reach that state in the near future."

indeed he does care about he future of Thai children as his being whitewashed will of course then enable him to establish a new political dynasty.The children of Thailand will than find themselves bound to the Thaksin clan and their brown nosing acolytes by debt bondage hence Thaksins concern for their welfare.

The equal application of law of course would not be a problem as all opposition to Thaksin and his clan and their brown nosing acolytes will of course be weeded out by various ways and means. A master stroke of the imposing of equality as the surviving vassals will of course be approved by a despotic regime much like the North Korean model.

Indeed the majority vote must be accepted however just yet again to remind Thaksin the votes for his party amounted to 48% of the number of votes cast thus in reality his party did not achieve a governing mandate from the people which led to the horse trading to by Thaksin who had to form a coalition government.

Indeed I like many others hope that Thaksins puppet government listens to and accepts the opinion of the Thai people at large from all walks of life and political persuasions who do not approve of this divisive iniquitous bill that is designed to benefit but one person and his family and their brown nosing acolytes..

Fine talk about democracy but are you, can you, will you Thaksin actually practice that which you preach?

No it is all about you your family and your brown nosing acolytes and the establishment of a new repressive political dynasty. Beware though people are waking up to your plans and alarm bells are ringing loud and clear through this nation.

Sadly Thaksin and his family and their brown nosing acolytes will not rest until they achieve their ultimate aim of yet more civil unrest as they did in 2010.

Thaksin can't wait to see Thai's fighting each other in his chase to steal this country and enslave its peoples into debt bondage away from democracy.

5 x "brown nosing acolyte" namedrops, one enslavement of the people into debt bondage reference one despotic (this time, N.Korean) regime, 2 x new (repressive) political dynasty, a confused and wrong understanding of the parliamentary voting system and to finish it all off, another enslavement of the people into debt bondage reference.

But what did it all mean?

[ballpoint]

Thailand's Thaksin denies amnesty bill is aimed at him

Then why does he keep ranting on about it?

[fab4]

Mister Thaksin,

Please explain how, exactly, you were PM when the tanks rollled?

Thanks in anticipation

Please explain how you think the status of the caretaker PM affects the fact that the Army stopped the entire Thai electorate from voting in a royally endorsed election due to be held on October 15th 2006? As head of his political party and in between elections he was caretaker PM. There was no political "vacuum".

Is caretaker PM like a caddie PM???

The fact is his government strictly speaking were not in power at that time (that's what caretaker PM means) because he Thaksin dissolved Parliament to get his party out of a sticky situation.

I'm not going to get further drawn into the argument of Thaksins status. The important point here is that the army denied the Thai electorate the chance to vote a new party in (could've been the democrat party) at a royally endorsed election. How much more illegal do you need it to be.

[Misterwhisper]

instead of his whining along the lines of "I am unfairly treated, and all of this is not about me, but only for the country", I'd like Thaksin come out with a statement to the effect that he will not accept amnesty and explicitly reject being included in the provisions of the bill.

Be a man!

Fat chance.

[jdinasia]

Mister Thaksin,

Please explain how, exactly, you were PM when the tanks rollled?

Thanks in anticipation

Please explain how you think the status of the caretaker PM affects the fact that the Army stopped the entire Thai electorate from voting in a royally endorsed election due to be held on October 15th 2006? As head of his political party and in between elections he was caretaker PM. There was no political "vacuum".

Is caretaker PM like a caddie PM???

The fact is his government strictly speaking were not in power at that time (that's what caretaker PM means) because he Thaksin dissolved Parliament to get his party out of a sticky situation.

I'm not going to get further drawn into the argument of Thaksins status. The important point here is that the army denied the Thai electorate the chance to vote a new party in (could've been the democrat party) at a royally endorsed election. How much more illegal do you need it to be.

Extra-constitutional is extra-constitutional. You don't get to cherry pick the coup being "illegal" and not look at Thaksin's status of having left the office of PM and then come back illegally.

That being said, this is about NOW and Thaksin's continued involvement in Thai politics which is also illegal.

[rubl]

Don't worry, fabby. I'm sure k. Thaksin was not referring to you when he said political opponents were unfairly distorting the amnesty bill.

I'm not going to get further drawn into the argument of Thaksins status. The important point here is that the army denied the Thai electorate the chance to vote a new party in (could've been the democrat party) at a royally endorsed election. How much more illegal do you need it to be.

[Local Drunk]

"Govt whips resolve to withdraw 6 Reconciliation, Amnesty Bills from House of Representatives, let controversial Amnesty Bill drop 180 days after Senate rejection /MCOT"

Have we won a small victory?

[jaidam]

"Govt whips resolve to withdraw 6 Reconciliation, Amnesty Bills from House of Representatives, let controversial Amnesty Bill drop 180 days after Senate rejection /MCOT"

Have we won a small victory?

It's textbook Thaksin, demonstrating yet again how unpleasant and selfish he is. Instead of revising the original amnesty that would have seen his supporters that are languishing in prison through political crimes released without any real opposition, and possibly even achieve some degree of reconciliation he will drop all bills. If Thaksin can't benefit, nobody will! Big boss has thrown his toys out of the pram again.

[PeterSmiles]

"Govt whips resolve to withdraw 6 Reconciliation, Amnesty Bills from House of Representatives, let controversial Amnesty Bill drop 180 days after Senate rejection /MCOT"

Have we won a small victory?

It's textbook Thaksin, demonstrating yet again how unpleasant and selfish he is. Instead of revising the original amnesty that would have seen his supporters that are languishing in prison through political crimes released without any real opposition, and possibly even achieve some degree of reconciliation he will drop all bills. If Thaksin can't benefit, nobody will! Big boss has thrown his toys out of the pram again.

Why they want to wait 180 days after senate rejection to drop /

Why they can't do it right the day after rejection? Sounds a bit fishy.

[rubl]

The drop of the six other bills I believe, but the "let controversial Amnesty Bill drop 180 days after Senate rejection" seems much more tricky. Might become a case of

"Oh, completely forgot to drop it. By law we now are obliged to forward it"

"Govt whips resolve to withdraw 6 Reconciliation, Amnesty Bills from House of Representatives, let controversial Amnesty Bill drop 180 days after Senate rejection /MCOT"

Have we won a small victory?

It's textbook Thaksin, demonstrating yet again how unpleasant and selfish he is. Instead of revising the original amnesty that would have seen his supporters that are languishing in prison through political crimes released without any real opposition, and possibly even achieve some degree of reconciliation he will drop all bills. If Thaksin can't benefit, nobody will! Big boss has thrown his toys out of the pram again.

Edited November 6, 2013 by rubl

[Robby nz]

Seems this report omitted a statement by Thaksin that was on Noppadon's facebook page :

Noppadon facebook page, He said the 2006 coup was a gross violation of the rule of law, but he was willing to suffer despite having been treated unjustly if it meant that the country could move forward.

What terrible suffering it must be to live in luxury and fly around the world in a private plane.

[klauskunkel]

Although I live abroad, I still love and care about the future of Thai children.

Yes...that's why you told the red shirts to bring their children and babies to the rallies and demonstrations, in hopes that if they get hurt it would have helped your plans, all the while you were abroad and your own children safely shopping in Paris...

it's just so unfair when an uttered statement turns around and bites you in the flabby bottom, best to just shut up...

[Robby nz]

Why they want to wait 180 days after senate rejection to drop /

Why they can't do it right the day after rejection? Sounds a bit fishy.

Because its the law of the land Bro and this is one law that they are going to be forced to obey.

However : Prompong has said that the party wont resubmit the bill if the senate rejects it on Nov 11th

But : PT MP for Surin Prasit Chaisrisa told the reds that his fellow MP's would submit a motion to resubmit the bill after 180 days, when that is approved by 20 MP's then it can start again and it will be legislated.

He also said that if there is no hope of the bill being passed then PT can issue a decree and cabinet will endorse it.

Then he said : I can bring my brother Thaksin back home.

For those who don't believe watch the video of Prasit's speech : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v4DWhtb9mRE

[Bluespunk]

"Thaksin says amnesty bill unfairly distorted by his political opponents"

Fugitive criminals, who are barred from holding political office, don't have political opponents. You are mistaking justice as an opponent rather than a moral concept of right and wrong. Then again as you always saw everyone and everything that stopped you doing whatever you wanted as an opponent maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

[khunken]

I'm afraid Mr T you have blown it. Your party was the one who distorted the original amnesty bill which would not have caused the current uproar - on your instructions?

Too many people have had enough of your lies - example in the Op - and feel that an amnesty that forgives you & thousands of others for your & their criminal activities is the wrong way forward for Thailand.

Reconciliation is certainly needed but will only happen when you stop thinking that only you can save the country - actually you can by actually living up to one of your many faux statements about giving up power. The rule of law might have a chance then.

Edited November 6, 2013 by khunken

[thaicbr]

"Regarding a video clip of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra announcing in Norway his confidence he could eventually return to his home country, Pol Gen Pracha said he believed Mr Thaksin was mature enough to know whether he could come back to Thailand.

“How can he return if the law doesn’t allow him to do so? I believe he understands it well,” said the deputy prime minister. (MCOT online news)"

This was taken from another thread... We have a deputy PM a Police General no less who seems to NOT understand the laws of Thailand!

What law is stopping Thaksin from coming back to Thailand.. Fab4 maybe you can help explain?

[Robby nz]

"Regarding a video clip of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra announcing in Norway his confidence he could eventually return to his home country, Pol Gen Pracha said he believed Mr Thaksin was mature enough to know whether he could come back to Thailand.

“How can he return if the law doesn’t allow him to do so? I believe he understands it well,” said the deputy prime minister. (MCOT online news)"

This was taken from another thread... We have a deputy PM a Police General no less who seems to NOT understand the laws of Thailand!

What law is stopping Thaksin from coming back to Thailand.. Fab4 maybe you can help explain?

I suspect thaicbr that he meant that as Thaksin would be held accountable for his crimes by the law if he came back.

Then the fact that he would have to answer to the law via the courts meant that he couldn't come back at present without being held accountable for his crimes.

So until the silly laws that held him accountable were changed or nullified by an amnesty he, knowing that he would be found guilty for said crimes, could not come back.

[thaicbr]

yep.. got that.. i was taking the General at his word to show yet another liar within this government. There is actually NO THAI LAW stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand tomorro if he wanted.. But being an egocentric, power crazed individual he will not because that means doing his time or at the very least arranging bail. if at all that's possible after 5 years... The strangest thing is he would have been out by now if he would have actually served his time. And that was'nt likely at the time.

[khunken]

"Regarding a video clip of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra announcing in Norway his confidence he could eventually return to his home country, Pol Gen Pracha said he believed Mr Thaksin was mature enough to know whether he could come back to Thailand.

“How can he return if the law doesn’t allow him to do so? I believe he understands it well,” said the deputy prime minister. (MCOT online news)"

This was taken from another thread... We have a deputy PM a Police General no less who seems to NOT understand the laws of Thailand!

What law is stopping Thaksin from coming back to Thailand.. Fab4 maybe you can help explain?

You're not going to get an answer from Fab4 unless he can somehow include a 'but Abhisit' in it.

PTP police generals tend to be flexible with the law. Police captains are known to ignore it. Fugitive ex-police officers twist it. Very few uphold it.

[tominbkk]

yep.. got that.. i was taking the General at his word to show yet another liar within this government. There is actually NO THAI LAW stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand tomorro if he wanted.. But being an egocentric, power crazed individual he will not because that means doing his time or at the very least arranging bail. if at all that's possible after 5 years... The strangest thing is he would have been out by now if he would have actually served his time. And that was'nt likely at the time.

As well, as long as he doesn't come back to face his crime he has the possibility to get back his corrupt booty of 46 billion Baht plus interest.

[marcusd]

"I absorbed this pain in the hope of seeing the country move forward. As a former prime minister, I realise that the benefits of the country and the people must come before my interests. Now, what I want to see is reconciliation of Thais and I would like Thais to have compassion for one another," Thaksin said.

Meaning ... I absorbed the pain of carryiong bags of heavy billions with me, YOUR money thank you verty nmuch but now I need more! So to move forward lets do this amnesty so you cant get me or Yinny for the water money or the rice money and the other money we have not told you about...So forgive me... I love you and your money I love even more.

[Halion]

Mr Thaksin both you and that excuse you have for legal representation should simply fade out of the picture. During your tenure as PM you lied and cheated your way through every day in office until you were deposed for the sharleton you are.

In exile as a convicted felon you continue to to wax and wain in most hypocritical lyrics as to you undiluted concern and care for your fellow Thai's and the well being of this country. For Gods sake give it a rest. You have been exposed for the phoney your are and the only support left is from those in your pocket. Your interests are and always have been personal along with the megalomania that would appear to be a dominant family gene. You are neither needed ,respected or wanted.

[marcusd]

Mr Taksin , before giving your advice why dont you come and face a fair trial for all the things you have done ..... Then maybe you can open it and give your advice ....

Ah this is interupting my TV. Shoot the bloody bastards. They all deserve a bullet! NEXT Please!!!!

[Mister Fixit]

Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?

[waza]

"Thaksin says amnesty bill unfairly distorted by his political opponents"

Looks like his list of political opponents continues to grow..........

RT@tulsathit: Jatuporn's announcement confirms red shirts have divided into "independent" reds and pro-Thaksin reds. (2)

[bigbamboo]

This is shaping up like that three-way shoot out in a famous spaghetti western.

Can you guess who is the good, who is the bad and who is the ugly?