UDD asks DSI to file treason charge against Abhisit, Suthep

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UDD asks DSI to file treason charge against Abhisit, Suthep



BANGKOK: -- A lawyer of the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) today asked the Department of Special Investigation to file treason charge against Democrat party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and former Surat Thani MP Suthep Thuagsuban for their attempt to overthrow the democratic government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

The lawyer also named nine other protest leaders whom he accused of committing serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government elected by the people.

He said that their acts violated Article 113, 116 and 117 of the Criminal Act after they urged the people to delay tax payment to the government.

DSI director-general Tharit Pengdit accepted their complaint and said investigation would take place if they did violate the law.

Earlier Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit also asked the dSI to file treason charge against Suthep citing the same reasons.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/udd-asks-dsi-file-treason-charge-abhisit-suthep/

-- Thai PBS 2013-11-14

[Ricardo]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

[Neilly]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

[chainarong]

What mushroom dose this tribe of misfits live under, United against dictatorship , what a laugh these pathetic people are, to find people guilty of treason ,they need not look any further than their own back yard , traitors to their country, all in the name of Shinawatra, and the PTP, if it was mediaeval England they would have been sent to the gallows a long time ago, they should hang their heads in shame.

[Robby nz]

That would also make the all the red leaders liable for the same charges.

Abhsit and Suthep need to have their lawyer file the same charges against all the red leaders and of course their paymaster.

Then we will see how quick Tarit is to accept these charges.

[mrtoad]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

[siampolee]

Cornered rats fighting for their monthly stipends from foreign parts and their lives nothing more nothing less.

Indeed they must have scoured the land high and low to assemble such a talented mass of village idiots.

Well at least every village here in Thailand is indeed one person short i nits population due to the aforementioned drive.

What a shame Charles Darwin is not here to observe this group, indeed the enigma of the missing link may well be solved if he was..

[Thainy Tim]

These UDD idiots had better be careful of what they wish for.

If they do manage to bring indictments, then that will set a 'precedent'. The counter attack will be swift and widespread.

Then again, it will also bring out massive opposition on the streets totally undermining their precious government further.

[GentlemanJim]

It seems a lot of these red politicians, leaders and parasitic lawyers that cling on suffer from foot in mouth disease.

[petedk]

I seem to read nearly every other day that "A" has filed a lawsuit against "B" for breaking article 123

Then "B" to be charged with "XXXXX".

Then "B" files lawsuit against "a" for XXXXX according to article 99.10

"A" to be charged with XXXX

It's a never ending circle and I never see any results. Have these clowns nothing better to do?

Oops ... I hope they don't file a lawsuit against me for calling them clowns.

[Thai at Heart]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

I wonder if this is lost in translation somewhere, but "failing to recognise".

How is this is a crime.

[nong38]

Perhaps they can get Abhisit charged for supporting Newcastle Utd rather than the red shirted Manchester Utd, well anything is worth a go so long as we get him in the chokey.

[Mosha]

Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.”
― John Wayne

[mrtoad]

I wonder if thy will file charge against TV posters for clicking likes on posts that are against PTP and associated criminals.

[gerry1011]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?

It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...

I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.

If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

[dru2]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?

It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...

I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.

If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

Pathetic, even by your standards.

[LuckyLew]

Every time a UDD leader speaks they actually decrease the sum total of human knowledge

[mrtoad]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?

It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...

I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.

If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

Gerry, Gerry, Gerry, I expected so much more from you. Your standards seem to be slipping. The old Yellow shirt insult trolled out. Personally neither side IMO are much cop.

Anyway, off to play golf tomorrow, will see if there are any good Caddys around.

[gl555]

Sorry but it's hard to use polite words when describing thuggish, animalistic, hypocritical, uneducated and self entitled red idiots.

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?
It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...
I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.
If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

[GrantSmith]

Treason? Interesting interpretation there in the application of the Criminal Code...Given that these current round of protests have not been violent, it's going to be pretty hard to make this one stick...

Section 113 Whoever, commits an act of violence or threatens to commit an act of violence in order to:Overthrow or change the Constitution;Overthrow the legislative power, the executive power or the judicial power of the Constitution, or nullify such power; orSeparate the Kingdom or seize the power of administration in any part of the Kingdom, is said to commit insurrection, and shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life.Section 116 Whoever makes an appearance to the public by words, writings or any other means which is not an act within the purpose of the Constitution or for expressing an honest opinion or criticism in order:To bring about a change in the Laws of the Country or the Government by the use of force or violence;To raise unrest and disaffection amongst the people in a manner likely to cause disturbance in the country; orTo cause the people to transgress the laws of the Country, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding seven years.Section 117 Whoever, instigates or causes a strike, lockout, or concerted cessation of trade or business with any person for the purpose of bringing about any change in the Laws of the Country, coercing the Government or intimidating the public, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding seven years or fine not exceeding fourteen thousand Baht, or both.

-Taken from the Thai Criminal CodeSent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited November 14, 2013 by GrantSmith

[gerry1011]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?

It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...

I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.

If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

Pathetic, even by your standards.

Should I start to throw insults in my posts in order to improve my standards?

I never tried... Does it feel good?

Maybe I should try first with Suthep. His personality is rather despicable

Edited November 14, 2013 by gerry1011

[jdinasia]

Actually you have tried Gerry ... on more than one occasion

Could you please explain to the rest of us how civil disobedience, peaceful protesting etc are treason?

They are actually hallmarks of a democracy and trying to stop them are hallmarks of totalitarianism.

Can you explain how protesting for the dissolution of parliament in a parliamentary democracy is treasonous? After all it is the right of the people to make their opinions known in a free society....

[Baerboxer]

The pantomime continues. How sad for the majority of Thai people who didn't vote the current regime into power, or indeed the now inept opposition that proceeded them.

Do the government and their "allies", not too mention the ridiculous DSI, realize how stupid this makes them look to the rest of the world ? Or are they so arrogant and / or ignorant not to care ?

Or is this yet another ploy to force acceptance of an amnesty whitewash bill when its "un-suspended" ?

There really doesn't seem any light at the end of the tunnel.

Double standards, lies, corruption, - TiT

[Baerboxer]

Actually you have tried Gerry ... on more than one occasion

Could you please explain to the rest of us how civil disobedience, peaceful protesting etc are treason?

They are actually hallmarks of a democracy and trying to stop them are hallmarks of totalitarianism.

Can you explain how protesting for the dissolution of parliament in a parliamentary democracy is treasonous? After all it is the right of the people to make their opinions known in a free society....

You have to understand JD. Democracy means the "elected" government of the Shin clan can do whatever they want, because they were democratically elected. Any criticism of them, their policies, their results after 2 years in office, their agenda, the way they're led and governed is not acceptable - and therefore undemocratic, because they have a majority ( well actually they don't). Challenging anything they say, regardless of whether its false or ridiculous is also seen as an affront to democracy.

Unfortunately the difference between a true democracy and those wishing to actually run a dictatorship and pretend its a democracy is blurred for some people. The same blur that enables them to ignore a violent insurrection which did bring about an election whilst holding that a peaceful demonstration by a large number of people from all strata of society is treason.

[Thainy Tim]

"serious crime for refusal to recognize the legitimate government" is treason ?

What does that make the UDD 'peaceful protesters' in 2010 then ?

The UDD are just a bunch of paid for idiotic thugs. They don't seem to remember that they were given the freedom to protest. Pot and Kettle.

As for Treason, Yingluck, Jatuporn, Arisman, Kwanchai, Thilda, Natthuwat, Weng and Thaksin must be good candidates

I wonder why so many of you always have to use "words" when speaking about the oponents of the ones you blindly support?

It would be nice to see a bit more respect towards fellow human beings . Uhm, ... naaaa , I guess it must be too difficult for some to overcome the urge to insult others...

I understand that, in your opinion, only the Dems and the Yellows should be glorified for creating so much problem in this country. Not everybody thinks like that though. A majority does not, in fact.

If you support the dirty tricks of the Dems, then you can only expect their opponents to reply with measures that they think as adequate to counter the attacks of the Dems. No need to cry foul or resort to insults. It's just fair game.

Treason is quite appropriate for a group that openly wants to overthrow an elected government and call for desobedience

Up to the Dems to launch their next attack. Whatever will that be (there is always one coming), you will for sure more than agree with their move, without thinking much about their motives.

That puts 100,000 + in the dock then just from 2010, or should they get an amnesty seeing as you are such a supporter of the pro amnesty government.

[whybother]

Can anyone ask the DSI to file charges, or do you have to be connected?

[bigbamboo]

This man is a lawyer?

I wonder where he got his degree.... not Kentucky by any chance.

Then again Noppadon is also a Thai lawyer and he claimed he didn't know what he was doing was illegal when he supported Cambodia over Preah Vihear.

[gerry1011]

The pantomime continues. How sad for the majority of Thai people who didn't vote the current regime into power, or indeed the now inept opposition that proceeded them.

Do the government and their "allies", not too mention the ridiculous DSI, realize how stupid this makes them look to the rest of the world ? Or are they so arrogant and / or ignorant not to care ?

Or is this yet another ploy to force acceptance of an amnesty whitewash bill when its "un-suspended" ?

There really doesn't seem any light at the end of the tunnel.

Double standards, lies, corruption, - TiT

Indeed, there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

How could there be any light? There is zero constructive dialogue between the parties...

From your perspective it is exclusively the government and their allies that are arrogant. From other's perspective it is the opposition that plays destructive games.

The opposition rallies against an amnesty, then, after the amnesty is dropped, they "upgrade" their protest to topple the elected government. These guys are obviously not trustful...

They stage a fake "whissle blowing" farce (how smart was that?), they incite the people to stop working, not to pay taxes, they continously go to the constitution court, they use any possible delay tactic in parliament, they look down at a whole section of the population... Well, it's going to be difficult to find the end of the tunnel with these guys inside...

On the other side, the reds will never trust them. How could they trust them, since they always want to topple the elected government. So, the reds respond by also rallying again. One more round...

Both sides accuse eachother of all sorts of things, just to disturb eachother, they bring eachother to court as often as they can, there is a war of words... hopefully not yet a war.

The treason charge is just another tactic, which will be matched by the Dems with another tactic, then matched by the government with one more tactic, etc, etc, etc... There is no end indeed.

The end of the tunnel will come when both parties will be willing to sit together and find a way out.

The Dems are unfortunately not interested in that option yet. They just have refused every invitation to discuss about a reconciliation, while all the other parties joined hands (except the PAD, of course).

Forgiveness will come one day, but it's not time yet.

So, treason charges in the meantime? Why not?

[mrtoad]

This man is a lawyer?

I wonder where he got his degree.... not Kentucky by any chance.

Then again Noppadon is also a Thai lawyer and he claimed he didn't know what he was doing was illegal when he supported Cambodia over Preah Vihear.

He probably got his degree from Kentucky Fried Chicken.

[Baerboxer]

The pantomime continues. How sad for the majority of Thai people who didn't vote the current regime into power, or indeed the now inept opposition that proceeded them.

Do the government and their "allies", not too mention the ridiculous DSI, realize how stupid this makes them look to the rest of the world ? Or are they so arrogant and / or ignorant not to care ?

Or is this yet another ploy to force acceptance of an amnesty whitewash bill when its "un-suspended" ?

There really doesn't seem any light at the end of the tunnel.

Double standards, lies, corruption, - TiT

Indeed, there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

How could there be any light? There is zero constructive dialogue between the parties...

From your perspective it is exclusively the government and their allies that are arrogant. From other's perspective it is the opposition that plays destructive games.

The opposition rallies against an amnesty, then, after the amnesty is dropped, they "upgrade" their protest to topple the elected government. These guys are obviously not trustful...

They stage a fake "whissle blowing" farce (how smart was that?), they incite the people to stop working, not to pay taxes, they continously go to the constitution court, they use any possible delay tactic in parliament, they look down at a whole section of the population... Well, it's going to be difficult to find the end of the tunnel with these guys inside...

On the other side, the reds will never trust them. How could they trust them, since they always want to topple the elected government. So, the reds respond by also rallying again. One more round...

Both sides accuse eachother of all sorts of things, just to disturb eachother, they bring eachother to court as often as they can, there is a war of words... hopefully not yet a war.

The treason charge is just another tactic, which will be matched by the Dems with another tactic, then matched by the government with one more tactic, etc, etc, etc... There is no end indeed.

The end of the tunnel will come when both parties will be willing to sit together and find a way out.

The Dems are unfortunately not interested in that option yet. They just have refused every invitation to discuss about a reconciliation, while all the other parties joined hands (except the PAD, of course).

Forgiveness will come one day, but it's not time yet.

So, treason charges in the meantime? Why not?

The adjective "inept' was used before the noun "opposition" in my post that you respond too.

I did not say that only the current regime are arrogant. Unfortunately the culture of face saving and corruption permeates the political spectrum in Thailand.

Although, a government that is openly controlled by a convicted fugitive criminal, openly acts illegally and lies does take some beating in the arrogance stakes!

There aren't many politicians anywhere in the world that are trustworthy - and here lying is an accepted behavior, even considered ethical in some quarters.

The Dems have, AFAIK, refused reconciliation because PTP always insist it must include a whitewash for their owner. He presumably believes that so many politicians of all parties would benefit from this, that it would get rammed through. Adding a few extra charges of treason, murder, no matter how ludicrous might help persuade the laggards in agreeing.

If PTP and madame prime minister / defense minister were serious about reconciliation, all they had to do was propose a bill that did not whitewash Thaksin's crimes. But, the very underhand trick they used to try to push it through backfired. So now they suspend it, whilst claiming its killed, to buy time.

Unfortunately, pathological liars are not likely to reform, especially when the rewards have been so great so far.

Treason charges in the meantime - sure. Providing they are also applied to the leaders and financiers of the 2010 insurgency.