Abhisit says Tarit framed him, Suthep over 2010 riots

[Dasekel]

Did the men in black also ordered mass murder on Bangkok's streets mister Abhisit? Did they ask Suthep to order soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

A few decades in jail would be good for everyone.

Wow, you have the facts straight, don't you? So, you have exclusive knowledge about Suthep ordering soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

And you probably also have exclusive information saying that Abhisith and Suthep actually ordered those on the Red Shirts' sites to fire grenades, take hostages, disarm policemen and take their weapons, because they knew that would give them the reason to order the killing of protesters. Thanks for enlightening us.

[Spare]

Did the men in black also ordered mass murder on Bangkok's streets mister Abhisit? Did they ask Suthep to order soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

A few decades in jail would be good for everyone.

Wow, you have the facts straight, don't you? So, you have exclusive knowledge about Suthep ordering soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

And you probably also have exclusive information saying that Abhisith and Suthep actually ordered those on the Red Shirts' sites to fire grenades, take hostages, disarm policemen and take their weapons, because they knew that would give them the reason to order the killing of protesters. Thanks for enlightening us.

Mark & Suthep never odder the soldiers to kill anyone.

They just authorize the use of REAL BULLETS.

[Dasekel]

Did the men in black also ordered mass murder on Bangkok's streets mister Abhisit? Did they ask Suthep to order soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

A few decades in jail would be good for everyone.

Wow, you have the facts straight, don't you? So, you have exclusive knowledge about Suthep ordering soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

And you probably also have exclusive information saying that Abhisith and Suthep actually ordered those on the Red Shirts' sites to fire grenades, take hostages, disarm policemen and take their weapons, because they knew that would give them the reason to order the killing of protesters. Thanks for enlightening us.

Mark & Suthep never odder the soldiers to kill anyone.

They just authorize the use of REAL BULLETS.

Right, so what would you have proposed after grenades and shots were fired from the red shirt sites? You might remember that at the early stages the police showed utmost restraint, but the red shirts took total advantage of this (ordered by who I might ask?). Would the police/army in your country not take more drastic action if they are confronted with grenades and agressive mob tactics while trying not to provoke any violence. I am still talking about the earlier stages in 2010, before it escalated, thanks mostly to the red shirts and their leaders, who Tart should actually also indict or pursue, as he is doing with AV and ST.

[thaicbr]

Did the men in black also ordered mass murder on Bangkok's streets mister Abhisit? Did they ask Suthep to order soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

A few decades in jail would be good for everyone.

Wow, you have the facts straight, don't you? So, you have exclusive knowledge about Suthep ordering soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

And you probably also have exclusive information saying that Abhisith and Suthep actually ordered those on the Red Shirts' sites to fire grenades, take hostages, disarm policemen and take their weapons, because they knew that would give them the reason to order the killing of protesters. Thanks for enlightening us.

Mark & Suthep never odder the soldiers to kill anyone.

They just authorize the use of REAL BULLETS.

Yes they did authorize the use of real bullets.. Do you think that the Police carry blanks in their guns?

The Army had a clear frame of reference on when and when NOT to use live rounds.

But a combination of poor training and leadership and antagonists within the Red MOB (THAT'S what it was by this time)

Led to mistakes that SHOULD have never happened. I wonder how it would have ended in any other country, We hopefully will never get to find out.

Edited November 20, 2013 by thaicbr

[wolf5370]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

Think you misread the Op. This is not the case against Abhisit, but his (counter) case against Tarit. He will of course state that he is innocent in his case next month. It is not relevant in this instance. He is firing back against, what he deems, as an incorrect charge (it being personal when he was a member of government and the charge should be against his official position/action not personal, and that Tarit had no jurisdiction in the first place). If he succeeds in this, then the case may fall away before it starts.

[wolf5370]

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe.

In any decent political spectrum Abhisit would be hard pushed to get appointed junior minister for filling in the holes in the road or similar. Possibly he could be mayor of a small provincial town. Unfortunately for Thailand when compared to the Fraggle Rock extras and other assorted detritus that inhabit the Thaksin side of things he appears as the shining light. Which is rather depressing for the country as a whole.

Thailand deserves so much better than any of them. It's the silent majority I feel for. Decent people just wanting to get on with their lives. They must look around or watch the news and think " Not again <deleted>"

If so, how do you compare his qualification to say, the present PM then?

[wolf5370]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

and yet he has so far not felt the need to bribe judges or make a run for it - strange that!

//Edit: Small typo (missed the 't' on 'not')

Edited November 20, 2013 by wolf5370

[wolf5370]

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

Hay Thai at heart that's not what he is doing right now.

He is not defending himself against any charges he is after Tarit for twisting facts in order to frame him, different things.

Now, provided the charges are accepted, Tarit has to come forth and prove that everything he used in pushing the indictments is true.

Do you think he will be able to do that ?

What different facts? By going down this path he is inviting himself to court. He can't justify people getting shot because the black shirts were there. Shooting unarmed people isn't justified.

Or does he think it's OK that so many unarmed people for injured because the black shirts were around?, hardly a very clever argument.

No it's not OK that unarmed protestors got shot, so don't even justify it. Just state "I didn't order anyone to shoot any anarmed people. Go speak to the army".

Thai at Heart are you tired? You usually seem much more "with it" than this. As explained above - this is not about Abhisit defending himself - that case (assuming it gets to court) will of course have the man defending himself - this case is against Tarit, there is no relevancy to the charge against Abhisit, other than whether the charge was legally made in the first place. It would be idiotic for Abhisit to waste evidence for his case in this judicial preview for a separate case.

[Spare]

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

Hay Thai at heart that's not what he is doing right now.

He is not defending himself against any charges he is after Tarit for twisting facts in order to frame him, different things.

Now, provided the charges are accepted, Tarit has to come forth and prove that everything he used in pushing the indictments is true.

Do you think he will be able to do that ?

What different facts? By going down this path he is inviting himself to court. He can't justify people getting shot because the black shirts were there. Shooting unarmed people isn't justified.

Or does he think it's OK that so many unarmed people for injured because the black shirts were around?, hardly a very clever argument.

No it's not OK that unarmed protestors got shot, so don't even justify it. Just state "I didn't order anyone to shoot any anarmed people. Go speak to the army".

Thai at Heart are you tired? You usually seem much more "with it" than this. As explained above - this is not about Abhisit defending himself - that case (assuming it gets to court) will of course have the man defending himself - this case is against Tarit, there is no relevancy to the charge against Abhisit, other than whether the charge was legally made in the first place. It would be idiotic for Abhisit to waste evidence for his case in this judicial preview for a separate case.

Here is the latest photo of the Men in Black. Last seen in Nov 2013

[thaicbr]

 

 

 

 

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

 

Hay Thai at heart that's not what he is doing right now.

 

He is not defending himself against any charges he is after Tarit for twisting facts in order to frame him, different things.

 

Now, provided the charges are accepted, Tarit has to come forth and prove that everything he used in pushing the indictments is true.

 

Do you think he will be able to do that ?

What different facts? By going down this path he is inviting himself to court. He can't justify people getting shot because the black shirts were there. Shooting unarmed people isn't justified.

Or does he think it's OK that so many unarmed people for injured because the black shirts were around?, hardly a very clever argument.

No it's not OK that unarmed protestors got shot, so don't even justify it. Just state "I didn't order anyone to shoot any anarmed people. Go speak to the army".

 

 

Thai at Heart are you tired? You usually seem much more "with it" than this. As explained above - this is not about Abhisit defending himself - that case (assuming it gets to court)  will of course have the man defending himself - this case is against Tarit, there is no relevancy to the charge against Abhisit, other than whether the charge was legally made in the first place. It would be idiotic for Abhisit to waste evidence for his case in this judicial preview for a separate case.

 

 

Here is the latest photo of the Men in Black. Last seen in Nov 2013

Ohh well done. It is custom to wear black during a mourning period ( Thai Buddhist Patriarch)

But OK .... ha ha ha. So funny!

Sent from my phone with the app thingy.

[FarangTalk]

SHARE..

You are correct , but the man giving the orders was an army general protecting his troops... Not like when Thaksin ordered the mass execution of suspect drug dealers in Bangkok.. Let's see Tarit going after the Army... Haha.. its so funny I could laugh.

And you think drug dealers that steal the live's of people and their family's and have a massive negative impact on the country have the right to any anything more than what was dished out to them? you do know that the BA in YABA means crazy, and how about the killings that these dregs of society commit? where's the justice of fair hearing for them??? they got what they deserved...

I would agree with you that drug dealers need to be stopped. I am against capital punishment, but I am in favor of punishing drug dealers. I believe everybody agrees with that.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

The problem is that in a civilized country respecting the rule of law, only a court after a due process can find someone guilty of drug dealing and a punishment.

Thaksin didn't bother with that, he just had them killed, guilty or innocent. In fact a large number of totally innocent people got killed. Nobody was ever held responsible, least Thaksin, who ordered it.

Thaksin couldn't have gone ahead with it without approval.

[Nickymaster]

Did the men in black also ordered mass murder on Bangkok's streets mister Abhisit? Did they ask Suthep to order soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

A few decades in jail would be good for everyone.

Wow, you have the facts straight, don't you? So, you have exclusive knowledge about Suthep ordering soldiers to kill people on sacred temple grounds, or kill off demonstration leaders and journalists by asking snipers to shoot them in the head?

And you probably also have exclusive information saying that Abhisith and Suthep actually ordered those on the Red Shirts' sites to fire grenades, take hostages, disarm policemen and take their weapons, because they knew that would give them the reason to order the killing of protesters. Thanks for enlightening us.

Mark & Suthep never odder the soldiers to kill anyone.

They just authorize the use of REAL BULLETS.

You think a cop here in Thailand has rubber bullets in his gun?