Suthep's call for 1 million protesters may not be what it seems

[backtonormal]

Its over. Thaksin has outwitted them. Sadly.

Care to elaborate on that little pearl of wisdom?

Thaksin will have them on the street off the street, on the street, off the street. Thaksin is too smart a cookie to worry about suthep. Now resigned and no protestors to talk too. Backfired that did.

[backtonormal]

The protest will most probably be over at the end of this month. Dems and public should be happy because they have achieved A LOT the last 4 weeks.

Well done!

They've achieved exactly what Thaksin wanted to give them. Nothing to rant and rent a mob for... so go home and wait until the next election if you want to change things. Silly me Dems are totally unelectable for the last 25 years even with an evil despot up against them. 4 election victories for thisThaksin chappy tells you the feeling of the Thai nation.

[backtonormal]

Update: The New York Times has a useful account of the court’s decisions, quoting one of the judges:

Supot Kaimook, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court, said in the court’s decision Wednesday that the rights of the minority were being trampled.

“Thailand’s democratic system allows the majority to set the standard,” he wrote. “But once it uses its power arbitrarily and suppresses the minority without listening to reason, this makes the majority lose its legitimacy.”

He said the system could no longer be called “democratic” when the majority acted this way. “It results in the tyranny of the majority,” he said.

This is the mantra of the Democrat Party, which loses elections with such regularity that it appears to use a political laxative, and supports the views of anti-democratic protesters who see their rich and privileges selves as a “minority.” The Times added:

[GrantSmith]

 

Thaksin will have them on the street off the street, on the street, off the street. Thaksin is too smart a cookie to worry about suthep. Now resigned and no protestors to talk too. Backfired that did.

Aww.. That's cute.. Did they teach that to you when you undertook Political Science at Shinawatra University?

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[backtonormal]

Update: The New York Times has a useful account of the court’s decisions, quoting one of the judges:

Supot Kaimook, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court, said in the court’s decision Wednesday that the rights of the minority were being trampled.

“Thailand’s democratic system allows the majority to set the standard,” he wrote. “But once it uses its power arbitrarily and suppresses the minority without listening to reason, this makes the majority lose its legitimacy.”

He said the system could no longer be called “democratic” when the majority acted this way. “It results in the tyranny of the majority,” he said.

This is the mantra of the Democrat Party, which loses elections with such regularity that it appears to use a political laxative, and supports the views of anti-democratic protesters who see their rich and privileges selves as a “minority.” The Times added:

The outcome of the Constitutional Court’s (close) ruling yesterday is that the court has essentially ruled that changing a basic law that came from an illegal act is out of the question.

The 2007 constitution resulted from an illegal action by a military junta that overthrew an elected government and a widely-accepted constitution. It replaced it with a constitution drawn up by the junta’s hand-picked committee that was tutored by the junta and its unelected government. One of the reversions to type in that junta constitution was creating a Senate that could be controlled by palace-associated conservatives. That control came through appointed members and meant that opposition plus senators were likely to prevent popular change to law and the elite’s state.

Those unelected senators are essentially appointed by panels of judges, creating an inherent conflict of interest when this conservative and undemocratic aspect of the constitution is challenged.

[ballpoint]

Update: The New York Times has a useful account of the court’s decisions, quoting one of the judges:

Supot Kaimook, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court, said in the court’s decision Wednesday that the rights of the minority were being trampled.

“Thailand’s democratic system allows the majority to set the standard,” he wrote. “But once it uses its power arbitrarily and suppresses the minority without listening to reason, this makes the majority lose its legitimacy.”

He said the system could no longer be called “democratic” when the majority acted this way. “It results in the tyranny of the majority,” he said.

This is the mantra of the Democrat Party, which loses elections with such regularity that it appears to use a political laxative, and supports the views of anti-democratic protesters who see their rich and privileges selves as a “minority.” The Times added:

So the article really says what you wrote in the last sentence? .Let's see:

"The Democrat Party, which for years lived by a mantra that political disputes should stay inside Parliament, has this year taken to the streets. The party won a victory earlier this month when the government withdrew a wide-ranging amnesty bill that would have eased Mr. Thaksin’s return to Thailand"

Nope, it doesn't. Making up lies and attributing false quotes to a newspaper. Isn't that against the forum rules, as well as being illegal?

Edited November 21, 2013 by Sheryl
civility

[backtonormal]

Thaksin will have them on the street off the street, on the street, off the street. Thaksin is too smart a cookie to worry about suthep. Now resigned and no protestors to talk too. Backfired that did.

Aww.. That's cute.. Did they teach that to you when you undertook Political Science at Shinawatra University?

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My boy my views have been born from years in Thailand and a will to search out the other story not just the crap you get from a press dominated, TV and ink, by the very same people who are currently financing the anti government protests. Check your internet sources its free then come back with with a comment , not Shinawatra University, that does not show up your inadequeces when coming to terms with the current situation in Thailand

[backtonormal]

Update: The New York Times has a useful account of the court’s decisions, quoting one of the judges:

Supot Kaimook, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court, said in the court’s decision Wednesday that the rights of the minority were being trampled.

“Thailand’s democratic system allows the majority to set the standard,” he wrote. “But once it uses its power arbitrarily and suppresses the minority without listening to reason, this makes the majority lose its legitimacy.”

He said the system could no longer be called “democratic” when the majority acted this way. “It results in the tyranny of the majority,” he said.

This is the mantra of the Democrat Party, which loses elections with such regularity that it appears to use a political laxative, and supports the views of anti-democratic protesters who see their rich and privileges selves as a “minority.” The Times added:

So the article really says what you wrote in the last sentence? .Let's see:

"The Democrat Party, which for years lived by a mantra that political disputes should stay inside Parliament, has this year taken to the streets. The party won a victory earlier this month when the government withdrew a wide-ranging amnesty bill that would have eased Mr. Thaksin’s return to Thailand"

Nope, it doesn't. Making up lies and attribuuting false quotes to a newspaper. Isn't that against the forum rules, as well as being illegal? Really, have you people got nothing worth saying that's the truth? Obviously not. What a bunch of losers.

That is a quote from the New York Times, copied and pasted. Its obvious your another who gets his information from limited sources,

Edited November 21, 2013 by Sheryl
profanity deleted by Moderator

[ballpoint]

Update: The New York Times has a useful account of the court’s decisions, quoting one of the judges:

Supot Kaimook, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court, said in the court’s decision Wednesday that the rights of the minority were being trampled.

“Thailand’s democratic system allows the majority to set the standard,” he wrote. “But once it uses its power arbitrarily and suppresses the minority without listening to reason, this makes the majority lose its legitimacy.”

He said the system could no longer be called “democratic” when the majority acted this way. “It results in the tyranny of the majority,” he said.

This is the mantra of the Democrat Party, which loses elections with such regularity that it appears to use a political laxative, and supports the views of anti-democratic protesters who see their rich and privileges selves as a “minority.” The Times added:

So the article really says what you wrote in the last sentence? .Let's see:

"The Democrat Party, which for years lived by a mantra that political disputes should stay inside Parliament, has this year taken to the streets. The party won a victory earlier this month when the government withdrew a wide-ranging amnesty bill that would have eased Mr. Thaksin’s return to Thailand"

Nope, it doesn't. Making up lies and attribuuting false quotes to a newspaper. Isn't that against the forum rules, as well as being illegal? Really, have you people got nothing worth saying that's the truth? Obviously not. What a bunch of losers.

That is a quote from the New York Times, copied and pasted. Its obvious your another who gets his information from limited sources,

Right. The word "laxative" is clearly to be found in the linked article. And of course the NY Times would use "The Times added" in it's own article. Something wrong with your copy and paste clipboard perhaps? Sometimes, very occasionally I'll admit, but sometimes we actually get some decent discussion on here, but all too often it's drowned out by the pathetic postings of those who can't even make their falsehoods realistic.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Sheryl
profanity deleted from quote

[GrantSmith]

 

 

My boy my views have been born from years in Thailand and a will to search out the other story not just the crap you get from a press dominated, TV and ink, by the very same people who are currently financing the anti government protests. Check your internet sources its free then come back with with a comment , not Shinawatra University, that does not show up your inadequeces when coming to terms with the current situation in Thailand

Oh, you get your info from Fox News? Seems legit..

I don't believe I'm in the need to check my internet sources.

Though, that being said, I shall check them. They after all are freely published and available with .go.th URL endings.

Of course it "does not show up your inadequeces" - your words - by the way, a small correction, the word is inadequacies...

But far be it from me to lecture you on your interpretation of the English language.

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[Sheryl]

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Flamefest officially over.

No profanity allowed, no abusive name-calling. If you can't post on a calm civil manner then don't post.

[jdinasia]

Its over. Thaksin has outwitted them. Sadly.

Care to elaborate on that little pearl of wisdom?

Thaksin will have them on the street off the street, on the street, off the street. Thaksin is too smart a cookie to worry about suthep. Now resigned and no protestors to talk too. Backfired that did.

Please explain a few things to me to support that statement.

The Amnesty that would have allowed Thaksin to return with no jail time and no additional charges (to date I think there are 11 that are awaiting him to appear in court to answer) died.

He has lost a significant amount of support for hi proxy party led by YL... and that party is now at the mercy of the EC ...

His call to get the redshirts to the stadium resulted in an embarrassing turn-out ...

How does that equate to him having any control at all left?

[JAG]

If, and it is a big if, Suthep manages to get a million out for his protest, what does it prove?

Bangkok is a city of what - 12 million or so? Lets assume 7 million or so are of voting age, his crowd will be less than 15% of the Bangkok electorate.

Expand that to the national population, then it is a tiny percentage of the electorate.

It doesn't give him a mandate, it doesn't give him the right to demand anything.

This government was put in power by an election, within the rules imposed by the Thai system. An election which comprehensively rejected Suthep and his party.

The government should be put out of power by an election, within the rules imposed by the Thai system, not by Suthep ranting to an audience, no matter how large it is.

[Nickymaster]

Its over. Thaksin has outwitted them. Sadly.

Care to elaborate on that little pearl of wisdom?

Thaksin will have them on the street off the street, on the street, off the street. Thaksin is too smart a cookie to worry about suthep. Now resigned and no protestors to talk too. Backfired that did.

Please explain a few things to me to support that statement.

The Amnesty that would have allowed Thaksin to return with no jail time and no additional charges (to date I think there are 11 that are awaiting him to appear in court to answer) died.

He has lost a significant amount of support for hi proxy party led by YL... and that party is now at the mercy of the EC ...

His call to get the redshirts to the stadium resulted in an embarrassing turn-out ...

How does that equate to him having any control at all left?

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he won't get 40 billion baht. It could have been a nice Christmas for the Shins but Suthep did a great job providing justice for Thaksin.

[whybother]

If, and it is a big if, Suthep manages to get a million out for his protest, what does it prove?

Bangkok is a city of what - 12 million or so? Lets assume 7 million or so are of voting age, his crowd will be less than 15% of the Bangkok electorate.

Expand that to the national population, then it is a tiny percentage of the electorate.

It doesn't give him a mandate, it doesn't give him the right to demand anything.

This government was put in power by an election, within the rules imposed by the Thai system. An election which comprehensively rejected Suthep and his party.

The government should be put out of power by an election, within the rules imposed by the Thai system, not by Suthep ranting to an audience, no matter how large it is.

I'm not sure that 34% of the vote would be called "comprehensively rejected".

[Nickymaster]

The protest will most probably be over at the end of this month. Dems and public should be happy because they have achieved A LOT the last 4 weeks.

Well done!

They've achieved exactly what Thaksin wanted to give them. Nothing to rant and rent a mob for... so go home and wait until the next election if you want to change things. Silly me Dems are totally unelectable for the last 25 years even with an evil despot up against them. 4 election victories for thisThaksin chappy tells you the feeling of the Thai nation.

You are truly entertaining. I wouldn't mind having a drink with a self proclaimed street politics expert. You must have attended the Nick Nostitz university.

3 weeks of Suthep's protest and what do we have? Well, no amnesty, no 40 billion baht, red shirts feel cheated, middle class on the street and Yingluck is shaking. Suthep has done an amazing job.

Next election results might surprise you but since Yingluck is not mature enough to dissolve the house, we might have to wait a little. Anyhow, their failed policies are killing them softly so let's sit back, relax and enjoy the show backtonormal.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Nickymaster

[GrantSmith]

The protest will most probably be over at the end of this month. Dems and public should be happy because they have achieved A LOT the last 4 weeks.

Well done!

They've achieved exactly what Thaksin wanted to give them. Nothing to rant and rent a mob for... so go home and wait until the next election if you want to change things. Silly me Dems are totally unelectable for the last 25 years even with an evil despot up against them. 4 election victories for thisThaksin chappy tells you the feeling of the Thai nation.

You are truly entertaining. I wouldn't mind having a drink with a self proclaimed street politics expert. You must have attended the Nick Nostitz university.

3 weeks of Suthep's protest and what do we have? Well, no amnesty, no 40 billion baht, red shirts feel cheated, middle class on the street and Yingluck is shaking. Suthep has done an amazing job.

Next election results might surprise you but since Yingluck is not mature enough to dissolve the house, we might have to wait a little. Anyhow, their failed policies are killing them softly so let's sit back, relax and enjoy the show backtonormal.

Seems old mate Nick's found himself in a bit of a pickle at the protests today... He was accused by former Dem MP of being a red shirt and promptly escorted out...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=542760619142725

Hope Robby nz reads this as well as how to post appropriately when quoting sources