Some Interesting Thoughts Concerning September 11

[the gentleman]

Not a serious post, do with it what you will, but interesting

Some Interesting Thoughts Concerning September 11th, 2001

Many of you may have received an email with some figures dealing with the number "11." It might have read something like this.

The 11th of September is the 254th day of the year. 2+4+5=11

There were 111 days left in the year on the 11th.

The date of the attack was 9/11 - 9+1+1=11

The twin towers look like the number "11."

The first plane to hit the towers was Flight #11.

This flight has 92 on board and 9+2=11.

New York City has 11 letters in it.

The Pentagon has 11 letters in it.

While there was a bit more, it all works out to the same. Is there anything to this? Some would say "no!" Others might say, "It's just a coincidence." Please keep in mind that there were other planes and events that did not match up to the number 11. However, should we discount the obvious for that which is not obvious?

Just as the #13 and the #6 and the #18 all have some bearing on what goes on in this world so does the #11. Can I tell you what it is? Well, I don't know for sure but I've got some ideas. I believe the #11 has something to do with "change" as well as "apostacy." As we would get our interpretation of other numbers from the Bible so with the #11. Consider the following.

Genesis 11 - A change in government. Also we see apostacy here.

Exodus 11 - A change is about to take place as they will leave Egypt for Canaan. There will be a change how they live and who will be over them

I Kings 11 - I Kings is the 11th book of the Bible. Also, this chapter deals with a change in the government of Israel. From 12 united tribes to 2 southern tribes and 10 northern tribes. Also a great apostacy sets in to this nation, one from which they have yet to recover.

Matthew 11:12 - A change takes place as John's ministry ends and Jesus' begins. Also a change in that Jesus begins to minister to the Gentiles not just the Jews.

Acts 1 - Here are 11 disciples and they get a change of commission. In Matthew 10:5 they were told to go to the Jews ONLY, now the commission is to the "uttermost."

Acts 11 - A change of headquarters from Jerusalem to Antioch. Also a change of direction for the gospel.

Romans 11:25,26 - Gentile kingdom is done and the kingdom is given back to Israel. This change is about to take place!

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The attack on America wasn't as great a success as the terrorists would have you believe. Besides being cowards their ability to do enough destructive damage to stop us from fighting or living was EXCEPTIONALY poor. Consider the follow statistics.

The twin towers of the World Trade Center were places of employment for some 50,000 people. With the missing list of just over 5,000 people, that means 90% of the people targeted survived the attack. A 90% on a test is an 'A

Some 23,000 people were the target of a third plane aimed at the Pentagon. The latest count shows that only 123 lost their lives. That is an amazing 99.5% survival rate.

In addition, the plane seems to have come in too low, too early to affect a large portion of the building. On top of that, the section that was hit was the first of five sections to undergo renovations that would help protect the Pentagon from terrorist attacks. It had recently completed straightening and blast proofing, saving untold lives. This attack was sad, but a statistical failure.

American Airlines Flight 77

This Boeing 757 that was flown into the outside of the Pentagon could have carried up to 289 people, yet only 64 were aboard. Luckily 78% of the seats were empty.

American Airlines Flight 11:

This Boeing 767 could have had up to 351 people aboard, but only carried 92. Thankfully 74% of the seats were unfilled.

United Airlines Flight 175

Another Boeing 767 that could have sat 351 people only had 65 people on board. Fortunately it was 81% empty.

United Airlines Flight 93:

This Boeing 757 was one of the most uplifting stories yet. The smallest flight to be hijacked with only 45 people aboard out of a possible 289 had 84% of its capacity unused. Yet these people stood up to the attackers and thwarted a fourth attempted destruction of a national landmark, saving untold numbers of lives in the process.

In Summary:

Out of potentially 74,280 Americans directly targeted by these inept cowards, 93% survived or avoided the attacks. That's a higher survival rate than heart attacks, breast cancer, kidney transplants and liver transplants - all common, survivable illnesses.

Don't fear these terrorists. The odds are against them.

[meadish_sweetball]

The first part of your posting shows that if you have a lot of time on your hands, and the will, you can find numbers to match with any major event.

It's called numerology, kabbalah and probably a bunch of other stuff in other cultures than Judaic and Christian. While entertaining, it amounts to exactly nothing.

It is also a classic example of how to use scriptural knowledge in order to impress non-literate people, exactly the same way fundamentalist mullahs are doing in the Muslim world, and sect leaders from San Fransisco through to Tokyo are doing in so called "civilized" nations.

I am not intending to offend anyone with the following, so please accept my apologies if I do. If you are a firm believe in any religion, maybe you should stop reading now.

Thank you.

The holy books of all religions contain so much raving by prophets, that almost anything can be construed out of them.

In the case of the Bible, some passages are impossible to translate as well, hence a lot of bickering about what it actually says. We are talking about words taken down or made up hundreds of years ago in a culture vastly different from our own. The intended message in these texts is continuosly undergoing revision and interpretation in order to fit people's own purposes and present day policies.

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meadish (wishing well)

[mouse]

What took place in 2001 that took more lives that 9/11. Thinks hard. Give up.

It was an Earthquake in India that killed more than 30,000 people that day.

None of their family members got $1,000,000 from the Government and all were mentioned only once on page three in the news of the western world. Why is that so?

[the gentleman]

I dont understand why it was moved here and Meadish, I got it in an email mate - relax! Its interesting thats all, take it how you like!

[tutsiwarrior]

September 11, 1973 was when the fascist military in Chile assisted by the US CIA violently overthrew the democratically elected Salvador Allende government in Chile...what goes around comes around?

[Boon Mee]

When that Commie Allende was thrown outa office (w/help from a few bullets) it was a local deal. It's been shown many times since that the CIA was not directly involved. And hey, we had business interests down there. Think Anaconda Copper etc.

As far as coencidences my favorite (posted before) is Janet Jackson born May 1966 the same month that the Troggs hit #1 on the Billboard charts with "Wild Thing"! Put that one in your Bong and hit it...

Boon Mee

[tutsiwarrior]

hey...boon mee...nice to know where we all stand.

Allende had no affilation with the the local PC he was aligned with the Socialist International which was cool at the time so long as you stayed in Europe. You bring that stuff close to Ronald Reagan and his back yard and the poor shit can't control his bowels. Augusto Pinochet and his thugs were bought and paid for

No one cared much about the mining interests...it was the fact that a socialist government could actually be elected...time for big time subversion to guarantee that it didn't happen again and to subvert the status quo.

So who was gonna do that mr boom boom? Donald duck?

Don't know who your sources are but there is no question that the CIA was directly involved.

You ought to go down to Santiago some time and ask around...nice place Santiago, nice subway...the filthy milicos re-named the boulevard in the fancy shopping district in Providencia 11 de septiembre...check it out

[Boon Mee]

Been there Tutsi - me & the wife have good friends in Conception - south of Santiago and we'd get over there 'bout once a year when I was working in Brazil. Great wine & good surf fishing where they live. Can't stand Santiago in the winter tho - thought LA was smoggy...!

As far a Augosto Pinocet goes - man, it's all water under the bridge now. Argentina went through their "Disappeared" era a little after Chile...a little before the Falklands War.

Boon Mee

[tutsiwarrior]

my humble apologies...it weren't Reagan (was thinking about Nicaragua...another US travesty) was Nixon in 1973...another dumb shit...

[Boon Mee]

We definetly agree on Nixon. I was driving thru Mazatlan, Mexico w/my girlfriend at the time when Nixon was getting impeached. Headlines screamed "Nixon Impeached!" We had to stop for a few beers to celebrate. Ended up getting totally sh1t-faced and spending the night in some roach-infested hovel...

[tutsiwarrior]

yeah...Boon...I understand...if you hang out with the 'buena gente' you will always get a lopsided view. I lived in Santiago for 6 months in Las Condes and the neighborhood women used to wear furs. I would be working in Renca, a poor neighborhood on the outskirts and you could see the polarization between the rich european locals and the 'huasos'. If you have been able to become friendly with well off chileans you must be either rich or lucky. Rich/middle class chileans are the most stuck up people I've ever seen...won't even say hello.

I have to admit that at a bar around the corner from the military hospital not far from where I lived there were some nice guys...one was a cardiologist that worked on Uncle Augosto...we would hook down the piscolas and have a good chat.

Altogether though the place was creepy...the military cadets on the subway in their tailored suits and ceremonial swords when getting on the train silenced all chatter...people are afraid of them. I looked at this place that was heavenly nestled in the foothills of the Andes but there always seemed to be a pallor of death. The local folks still have a long way to go before scores are settled.

You ever get down Pio Nono street when in Santiago? Nice place but the blue noses say 'muy bohemio'.

the 70s were a bad time for South America...I knew people that were machine gunned to death in Bolivia...it could happen again...lest we forget...

[Boon Mee]

I have not spent a lot of time in Santiago - we mostly cought the train south the day we'd get in but I know what you mean about the creepy-looking dudes in their ceremonial dress/swords. Did enjoy the outdoor cafes...

Yep. the 70's were indeed a bad time for SA. I was living in Las Palmas, Spain (Canary Islands) in '77 & '78 when Pinochet had run out a LOT of Chileanos. They were very displaced people - no papers, basically living off the tourists that came there until the Spanish Govt. cracked down - don't know what became of them 'cause they were "marked" if they ever tried to return to Chile...

[tutsiwarrior]

a lot of the people that were run out in the 70s are back home now and are in the government...one heartening aspect of the present arrangement. However the milicos and their supporters in Providencia and Las Condes huddle around the military school and refuse to acknowlege that any government without Uncle Augosto or his associates is suitable for Chile. The place is both tragic and enlightened...plenty of respect from both sides for local culture and associated activities...witness free entrance to the art Museum in Santiago with major exhibits and the total absorption of the entire country during national holidays...

however there was a street artist by the funicular railway going to the top of the tallest peak in town playing Victor Jara songs in a subdued manner and when I leaned over to put money in his hat I said 'que vive el Victor' and he breathed quietly 'que vive'...Victor Jara was an Allende icon, captured by Pinochets thugs, taken to the National Stadium, his hands broken by rifle butts and taunted by fascist police 'play your music now you communist fag...' before he was murdered. People are still scared. But the local CP operative still runs for mayor every election so you know that things are progressing.

I'm sure that a lot of exiles didn't return as, we have to admit that Chile is a provincial backwater...better to stay anywhere else than go home.

[Boon Mee]

Tutsi - from what I saw when down there - not in-country as long as you were - was a race of people who had a terrific work-ethic. But they also have the world's-worst record of child-abuse too. Very complex people. Big hearted warm girls - had the wife w/me so I weren't privy to much more than frendships!

Me & the 'ol lady want to go back for another visit sometime...

[tutsiwarrior]

Boon..yeah I have to admit that there are a lot of contradictions about the place and it is hard to generalize about the place. I became friendly with a woman from an escort service while I was there...she would come over on her own steam some evenings to hang out and have a few drinks...if I wanted sex then it was the going rate. We watched Terms of Endearment ( a big weepy) on the box one night and she clung to me in tears and said 'you wanted to see me cry...'. She helped to clean the flat and shop for food before my wife came for a visit...no charge. I'm still in touch by phone and we enjoy a warm friendship...she was from Talca, near Concepcion.

pretty weird, huh? The Pinochet madness will take a long time to get over but my time there was 6-7 years ago so maybe there has been progress in the meantime.

[Boon Mee]

Tutsi,

Chile is a very fascinating country. As you know, that desert in the north gets less rainfall than anywhere on earth - to the bleak regions of Punta Aranas (sp).

My buddy who lives in Conception used to work down there and where his house sat he said penguins would come up in his front yard!

I think Chile has some of the most interesting history of any of the S. American countrys. The Spanish they speak is closer to "true" Castilian Spanish spoken in Spain then any of Spain's former colonies. As I understand it, a majority of the immigrants that settled in Chile came from the eastern bloc of Europe & most of 'em ended up there 'cause after rounding the Horn, they had enough and bailed!

At the time I was in Las Palmas mixing with the displaced Chileanos it didn't register with me how traumitized they were but looking back I can see it now. Imagine living from day to day with no papers and some of them had kids with 'em too.

[tutsiwarrior]

Boon...with regard to the language everyone in Latin America from Juarez on the US border to Punta Arenas claims that they speak 'true' castillian Spanish...just some snobs and their bullshit. With regard to Santiago except for educated types (and even some of them) it is quite difficult to understand the local doggerel spoken by most people. When I lived in Bolivia in the 60s the natives would refer to the language as 'castellano' rather than espanol...this in a place where at the time 70% of the population could not speak either...just either quechua or aymara, native languages.

you ever go to any of the rock concerts at the Anaheim Convention Center?...saw some good acts there. Steve Miller of the Steve Miller band leapt off the stage to attack some Convention center employee that unplugged his amplifiers in the middle of a set because it went over time and they weren't getting paid...the audience were out of their seats as one and howled for blood...almost a riot...Later as we left there was a huge and menacing police presence outside...young cops recently demobbed from Vietnam wanting to stomp the long hairs. I had more than my share of vicious Orange County cops...wasn't safe to be out after dark if you had long hair.

[Boon Mee]

Tutsi,

My Spanish has gone all to he11 - probably since having to learn Portuguese. Which is basically a dialect of Spanish if you go way back I hear.

We had some friends when living in Brazil who ran a chain of pizza parlors in Rio. The guy was Spanish and his wife was Thai/Muslim - from Hat Yai/Phuket somewhere down there. Anyhow, our friends from Chile were visiting and the Spanish guy was complimenting them on the quality of their Spanish - told us Chiliano Spanish was closer to the "true" language than say, Venezula or Peru etc.

Never got over to the Anaheim Convention Center for any concerts! We used to go down to Huntington by the Pier a lot at that place Hoyt Axton always played - excellent...Did see Eric Clapton at Lumpini Stadium in '79 or '80 - somewhere back then. But you're right about those redneck Orange Co. cops - I always steered a wide berth whenever I was around them and my hair weren't all that long...

[tutsiwarrior]

yeah...I know the small place you're talking about across from the pier in Huntington. Can't remember the name but went there loads of times. The greatest performance of all by the legendary Jimmy Reed...by then an old man playing a Sears Sivertone guitar with a small band. He must have been about 70 but never missed a lick...I was in the presence of God. Didn't matter though...later that evening got busted smoking joints in the parking lot of the Taco Bell in Laguna...ruined my evening and made things at high school complicated in my senior year...this was a time (1968) when possession of the evil weed meant 1-5 in the joint. As a nice middle class boy I got off with 8 days in the Orange County lock up during my Easter holiday.

As a condition of probation I was to remain enrolled in a higher education program until 21 years of age. Wrote to the Draft Board about that and was classified 1-Y and nothing to worry about ever again.

Jimmy Reed...he moves in mysterious ways...

[Boon Mee]

Tutsi,

I was going to get drafted and no way to get out of it so I signed up and did my time - in Subs. Was up off Wonson Harbor six months after the USS Puebleo was captured doing the very same thing they did (old news now - no violation of any secrets act here).

I don't remember Jimmy Reed - did he do some 4-cord blues ala Charles Johnson? There were some acts at that place that did some really good Blues...

[tutsiwarrior]

yeah...Jimmy Reed, generally accredited with assisting the crossover from black blues to popular hill billy music (he wrote 'Big Boss Man') and modern rock and roll and many of his tunes are instantly recognizable as the source of many later hits in the 60s and early 70s. Many big name artists from Beatles on down give credit to his influence. That place was good for the blues...small club, etc. The only other one in SoCal was the Ash Grove on Melrose in Hollywood...lets talk about Lightning Hopkins, John Lee Hooker, Big Mama Thornton and the king of the 9 stringed guitar Big Joe Williams. Burned to the ground by anti-Castro cuban terrorists to protest a Cuba photography exhibit in 1970...filthy gusano swine. I remember drinking Red Mountain from the bottle in the alleyway in back before Big Joe's performance. Taj Mahal opened the show.

Goddam...them were the days...

[Boon Mee]

Talking about concerts reminds me of one I went to at the Santa Barbara outdoor arena (dam*, can't think of the name for the grove or whatever it was called) anyhow, it was down in Montecito and had really good acoustics.

The opening band was Sandy Denny leading "Fairport Convention" - they were so good the main act was Loggins & Mesina, nobody in the place wanted to see Fairport leave the stage! Totally awesome (helped along by some very fine herb that night)!

They don't make music like that anymore....!!!

[tutsiwarrior]

I hear you Ace...Sandy Denny was dynamite...Loggins and Messina were shit, just trading on their association with Buffalo Springfield...

Kenny Loggins became a crooner wanting to chase the Rod Stewart market. Have to admit though that 'Danny's Song' was a nice number...me being a sentamentalist, blubbering idiot at times...

[Boon Mee]

Yeah, but what was the name of that outdoor arena there in Montecito? It's bugging me now. Always had dynamite concerts there...

A couple days ago there was a post by "Huski" who said he's from Santa Barbara - maybe he can remember?

It was a shame that Sandy Denny passed away not too many years after that US tour. I was in London at one of the HMV shops that sell nothing but music and was asking specifically for "Fairport Convention" - scored a bunch of their music and the shop girl told me Sandy had passed on. What a voice!

[tutsiwarrior]

I took up employment in the UK in 1988 and was advised by a colleague that also liked Fairport Convention that Sandy Denny had died many years before. I couldn't believe that I had been so isolated in my pursuits that I hadn't realized. Yeah...the voice was quite remarkable, how could any voice be strong and plaintive at the same time?

Didn't know that Montecito had any public venues in those days. It was a rich and high falutin' place and you daren't go anywhere there where you weren't supposed to be...lots of private cops. I had a beat up '56 VW at the time and a mate there would let me park it in his driveway for me to set off hitchhiking when I wanted to reach points north...or maybe that was Summerland?

[Boon Mee]

You know IT must love this little interchange we're doin' here since it's not like Bear Pit postings of late!

Monticeto was too cool. Me & my girlfriend at the time would occasionally get invited to parties over there - man, those estates were nice. Rose gardens that were featured in the leading magazines etc.

But the really nice homes for my money were out on Hope Ranch. Over there you had the ocean too. But the name for SB in those days was: "The home of the newly wed & nearly dead". You gotta have some bucks to live there now.

Just remembered the name of that concert venue: Santa Barbara Co. Bowl. It was on the edge of Montecito.

[mbkudu]

Henry Kissinger, who was U.S. Secretary of State at the time of all the South American Madness, is the man we should truly thank for all the killing, torture and abductions. This is not even mentioning that fact that around the same time his "foreign diplomacy", gave America the go ahead to support Pol Pot and bomb the absolute crap out of Cambodia.

Right now he is a wanted man. I am not sure how people like him can feel comfortable with their impacts on humanity. He is the lowest form of human being and I hope he suffers a miserable, slow death and eternal damnnation in the lowest, rankest, filthiest bowels of ######.

[wolf5370]

More elevensies: End of the Great War (WWI) - 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month - Poppy Day!

[adjan jb]

More elevensies: End of the Great War (WWI) - 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month - Poppy Day!

Has anybody noticed that there are eleven players in a football (soccer) team too ?

[Phil Conners]

America, the country where people believe the moonlanding was fake and wrestling real. Go figure.