Why Venture Into The Pattaya Forum...

[PREM-R]

(Noel) No doubt some of them have been badly burned after having been taken for a ride in more ways than one by a bar girl they met in Pattaya.

I don't think this applies to Dumpster !!!!!

[Gary A]

I have never lived in Pattaya and never wanted to. I did live down the road in Jomtien. I have made many trips back and forth but eventually found favorite watering holes in Jomtien and went to Pattaya less and less. Even Jomtien got too congested to suit me. I now live quietly up country but if something were to happen between my wife and I, I would more than likely make the move to Nong Kai. I HATE heavy traffic. A whoremonger can find excitement anywhere in Thailand.

[DUMPSTER]

To all who choose to live in pattaya, good on you, enjoy! For me the negatives outway the positives, hence i live outside. Now I can see why there is an attraction for some, but it's not for me. Now that doesnt make me higher than thou, it's just my acceptance levels are different.

For those of us who do see something differently to what you see accept it as i accept and repect your choice of place to live, I just could'nt live there.

So why shouldn't i say something negative about the place? You all do, but you just dress it up differently. Hypocrites the lot of you.

So having morals is now a crime? What a sad state of affairs that is.

With that attitude and those similar to you, melonf, you choose to live in a place like Pattaya, enjoy. I admire you guys who can actually live there and anyhow you will always see what you want to see no matter what I or anyone else says.

I'm sure you are and I hope you are living your lives as best you can without harming anyone or yourselves. Nothing wrong with that is there?

[DUMPSTER]

(Noel) No doubt some of them have been badly burned after having been taken for a ride in more ways than one by a bar girl they met in Pattaya.

I don't think this applies to Dumpster !!!!!

I havent been burnt by a guy or girl. Havent cheated anyone or harmed anyone. Never been in any trouble whatsoever. I'm just trying to live an honest life in the country that I choose to live in. If you do that then trouble tends to avoid you. I'm not some pious freak either. Just sane enough to know right from wrong. Now that will get me called all sorts but hey go for it if makes you feel better. Not enough people do the right thing. Not enough compassion, just plain greed. Pattaya is a greedy city. Too many people trying to bleed you. I don't know how you can tolerate it. That's why I admire anyone who can, not look down as many think.

[Noel]

To all who choose to live in pattaya, good on you, enjoy! For me the negatives outway the positives, hence i live outside. Now I can see why there is an attraction for some, but it's not for me. Now that doesnt make me higher than thou...

Naaa...

[ProfessorFart]

Dumpster, the point is that you make all of these throwaway claims about Pattaya and seem unable to back any of them up.

Sure people want your loot. Show me a place on the face of the earth involved in tourism where people don't! Its just that in Pattaya its a lot more obvious!!

[Mighty Mouse]

Dumpster,

People such as you should never travel to another country.

People such as you should never walk outside of your home.

People such as you should never leave the comfort of your toilet seat.

Now pull the chain and wash out your mouth.

Edited May 10, 2006 by Mighty Mouse

[DUMPSTER]

Well i'm lucky enough to have travelled around the world and in some countries a toilet seat would have been nice.

Mouse you just go to prove what type of clown lives in pattaya and gives it the bad name it doesn't deserve.

now go take your medicine, put the jacket back on and sit quietly in your dark room, there's a good chap.

[Dragonmode]

I felt compelled to finally register here just a minute ago after 2 weeks of actively reading this as well as the Bangkok forum. I came back 2 weeks ago from my very first trip to Thailand and honestly fell in love with the place, especially Pattaya. I am a born-&-raised New Yorker; hel_l's Kitchen to be exact in Manhattan for those of you familiar with this rough neighborhoods rich American history. I liked Bangkok but feel that I really didn't delve deep enough into the place to really experience & appreciate it, but Pattaya was a whole different ballgame. I was there for Songkran and had a blast. I also had my share of beer bar and go-go bars as well along with the typical fun. I also had a bad night over there where my senses were heightened to notice the ugly side of Pattaya as far as the stench of the sewers at the crack of dawn & the excess of sleaze (both local and farang, comingled in Walking Street at the afterhour joints). It was truly worse than Time's Square/42nd street back in the late 70's/early 80's!

Despite this, I love Pattaya and will continue to vacation there whenever I have the chance to hit the LoS. I've been going through withdrawal ever since I got back, but this forum definitely keeps me in tune with Pattaya and I find it very informative. Also, you guys are a riot! I've laughed out loud too many times at work thanks to you guys collectively so thanks!

[Pattaya_Fox]

I felt compelled to finally register here just a minute ago after 2 weeks of actively reading this as well as the Bangkok forum. I came back 2 weeks ago from my very first trip to Thailand and honestly fell in love with the place, especially Pattaya. I am a born-&-raised New Yorker; hel_l's Kitchen to be exact in Manhattan for those of you familiar with this rough neighborhoods rich American history. I liked Bangkok but feel that I really didn't delve deep enough into the place to really experience & appreciate it, but Pattaya was a whole different ballgame. I was there for Songkran and had a blast. I also had my share of beer bar and go-go bars as well along with the typical fun. I also had a bad night over there where my senses were heightened to notice the ugly side of Pattaya as far as the stench of the sewers at the crack of dawn & the excess of sleaze (both local and farang, comingled in Walking Street at the afterhour joints). It was truly worse than Time's Square/42nd street back in the late 70's/early 80's!

Despite this, I love Pattaya and will continue to vacation there whenever I have the chance to hit the LoS. I've been going through withdrawal ever since I got back, but this forum definitely keeps me in tune with Pattaya and I find it very informative. Also, you guys are a riot! I've laughed out loud too many times at work thanks to you guys collectively so thanks!

I`m glad that you enjoyed Pattaya Dragonmode and welcome to the forum.....sounds as though you are going to be back

[Dragonmode]

Count on it , Fox! As long as I'm single, Pattaya will be my choice vacation spot, followed by Bangkok.

[Mobi]

QUOTE(gharknes @ 2006-05-10 14:30:00)

what is this "pattaya bashers crap" if I have an opinion about pattaya I will express it because I have every right too, I live here and intend to do so for a long time, if the crime rate for specific crime i.e. violent and gun crime is becoming more prevelent then I want to talk about it, I am no stranger to guns living in N.Ireland all my life - i don't want to see the place I chose to retire go down the toilet, if you think hiding the truth about happenings in pattaya is a good thing then it will just get worse and more people will get killed or injured, i would like to see tourism take a hit for a while then see what effort the mayor and authorities take to get the guns and the violence off the streets, a fundamental review of policing and law enforcement is way over due, foreigners need to feel 100% safe when they come here for a holiday.

Unquote

I will answer your post here, and also copy it to the bashers' thread, as it seems as though nearly every thread in the Pattaya Forum ends up this way.

I think I stated a fact. All this Pattaya bashing is probably having some sort of effect on the property prices. Why? Because a lot of farangs who are interested in buying property in Pattaya, will, at one pooint or another, look for information about the Pattaya property market on the net, and will inevitably find, or stumble across TV forum and read the high preponderance of posts with a propensity to bash Pattaya. Now thats bound to put some pontenial buyers off going ahead and must have some sort of short term effect on prices - probably not major - but a factor never the less.

There are also other factors - even without the bashing, the recent spate of bad news stories will also have a detrimental effect - but when we get the venonmous posts screaming how dirty and evil the place is, well then ...I rest my case.

Now, read carefully.

The above is, in my opinion, a fact. However, even though I have no real idea why people get such a kick out in rubbishing a town that so many people have happily made their home, I would defend to the end their right to say it. I have never said they shouldn't bash Pattaya - if you read my posts you will see that I have actually invited more bashing. The more you bash the more I will defend - that's what this forum is all about - isn't it?

I do however have a problem when we have serious threads, like the tragic death of Steven Parkinson, where it would seem that the bashers just revel in jumping on the band wagon with insulting remarks about the town, which have nothing whatever to do with the OP. In my view its Ok to discuss issues such as: crimes are more likely to happen in a place like Pattaya; farangs sometimes behave in such a manner as to invite violence - etc etc. In other words, as long as its relevant to the crime, then fair enough. But just to post 'one liners' saying 'Pattaya's a shit hole', or words to that effect, when we're discussing a murder, is, in my opinion, overstepping the line and showing disrespect to the friends and family of the victim. That is why I pleaded on four separate occasions for people to make their bashing remarks on other threads. I never said they shouldn't make them, at all.

[jdinasia]

Mobi .....

ThaiVisa.com's "pattaya basher crap" adversely affects the Pattaya housing market .... ??????

Can I have some of what you are having?!

[Mobi]

Mobi .....

ThaiVisa.com's "pattaya basher crap" adversely affects the Pattaya housing market .... ??????

Can I have some of what you are having?!

You have your opinion, I have mine, and I've stated the reasons for my opinion. Can't do much more than that, can I?

Neither of us are in the property business (I assume you're not an esate agent? ), so who knows?

I have already stated that I don't give two hoots what happens to the housing market - I've got my pad and I'm not about to sell up.

It's just an opinon, jd.

[Ted]

Wow 40+ responses was more than I was expecting when I logged back on, though maybe I shouldn't be suprised having been educated by the TV Pattaya forum - the quick response was undoubtably due to your wide open schedules with you having little to do inbetween muggings, heavy drinking, causing traffic jams and scamming!

######, maybe 6 million Baht is too much for that 2 bedroom bungalow after all?

Jokes aside with the posts so far it does seem the TV members do like it really - they just like moan about what they don't like, though reading some of the other topics I wouldn't necessarily have come to that conclusion!

[Mobi]

undoubtably due to your wide open schedules with you having little to do inbetween muggings, heavy drinking, causing traffic jams and scamming!

######, maybe 6 million Baht is too much for that 2 bedroom bungalow after all?

Hey, look what I found when browsing through the Visaas and Migration to other countires forum, and a thread entitled "Welcome to Heathrow"

Quote:

Brtish people living in Thailand, perhaps moving to the UK with Thai wives complaining about foreigners coming to live in Britain.... Surely a joke.

As for worries about foreign criminals in the UK... Not been to Pattaya then?! Thailand, and Pattaya in particular is fast gaining a reputation as the replacement Costa Del Crime.

Unquote

Here we go here we go here we go.....

[pepsi666]

undoubtably due to your wide open schedules with you having little to do inbetween muggings, heavy drinking, causing traffic jams and scamming!

######, maybe 6 million Baht is too much for that 2 bedroom bungalow after all?

Hey, look what I found when browsing through the Visaas and Migration to other countires forum, and a thread entitled "Welcome to Heathrow"

Quote:

Brtish people living in Thailand, perhaps moving to the UK with Thai wives complaining about foreigners coming to live in Britain.... Surely a joke.

As for worries about foreign criminals in the UK... Not been to Pattaya then?! Thailand, and Pattaya in particular is fast gaining a reputation as the replacement Costa Del Crime.

Unquote

Here we go here we go here we go.....

That's correct, there were local elections around the major cities last week, labour lost a lot of seats to the BNP (they are another party who wants to end all immigration to the UK and send them all home, bit daft as a lot of them are now UK citizens, so dunno how that will work)

They got a website, have a shufti... http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm seems like they are stuck somewhere with the Pattaya bashers to me

There was a local paper (local to me) that does holiday guides They had a article about Thailand and Pattya/Jomtien in particulr, they stated that Pattaya was NOT recommended due to the high levels of muggings, shootings, violence, rapes, rip off's, prostitution.

I phoned the newspaper to find out how they got their information, it turned out that the writer had never been to Thailand, let alone Pattaya/Jomtien, he information was gained from the internet and various forums, this being one of them

Koh Samui/Phuket/Krabi are in next weeks edition (appaerently)

They didnt seem at all fazed when I said their information was wrong, they said they had print outs from the internet (copied and pasted from various sites I suppose) and wouldnt retact any of it or even state that they (the writer) had never ventured to Thailand

So if anyone from my area (Heathrow) actually takes note of it, there will be a few less tourists about

[gharknes]

well i live in pattaya and for the moment i will remain here, i am concerned about the increase in serious crime, if it continues unabaited tourism will decline resulting in finacial instability for many and a further breakdown of both finacial and social standards, result = more crime

i like pattaya and i want to keep it that way, the authorities need to get to grips now before it gets out of control, they need us they need tourists otherwise this place goes down the toilet.

[Namprik]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

I read all these stories here about foreign and Thai criminals doing their business here. Ladyboys drugging drinks, mafia taxi drivers, overpriced everything.

Or may be the foreigners like the beautiful beaches?

Or may be the foreigners love the culture?

There are hundreds of places to live in Thailand, why choose Pattaya?

Or does it have something you cant find back home........easy loose-girls.... Pattaya's Farang are the lowest of the low.

[pepsi666]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

Pattaya's Farang are the lowest of the low.

If it wasnt for the 'farangs' you would still be in the dark ages pal, maybe you have not met all the farangs in Pattaya, sounds like you should go back to your village, you wont have anything to do with the farangs then

Not everyone goes to Pattaya for the loose women (I assume you are talking about YOUR contry folk when you talk about 'loose women )

The farang and tourists bring a lot of money into Pattaya, I would think that if it wasnt for them the unemployment rate would be pretty high

Edited May 11, 2006 by pepsi666

[britmaveric]

Or does it have something you cant find back home........easy loose-girls.... Pattaya's Farang are the lowest of the low.

Another expert who was jilted in Patters.

[expatgaz]

For the people who don't like Patts why have you come on the Patts forum and spending time looking through to find this subject.For instance Iam a male so feel no need to look through the ladies forum.Iam not Gay so feel no need to look at that forum either.IF YOU DON'T LIKE PATTS DONT COME ON THIS FORUM.

[Mobi]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

I read all these stories here about foreign and Thai criminals doing their business here. Ladyboys drugging drinks, mafia taxi drivers, overpriced everything.

Or may be the foreigners like the beautiful beaches?

Or may be the foreigners love the culture?

There are hundreds of places to live in Thailand, why choose Pattaya?

Or does it have something you cant find back home........easy loose-girls.... Pattaya's Farang are the lowest of the low.

Thank you for that well researched, thoughful observation.

A welcome and fresh contribution to this debate.

Nice piece of original thinking.

[davethailand]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

I read all these stories here about foreign and Thai criminals doing their business here. Ladyboys drugging drinks, mafia taxi drivers, overpriced everything.

Or may be the foreigners like the beautiful beaches?

Or may be the foreigners love the culture?

There are hundreds of places to live in Thailand, why choose Pattaya?

Or does it have something you cant find back home........easy loose-girls.... Pattaya's Farang are the lowest of the low.

Is nam pronounced silently in your forum name?

knob

[pepsi666]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

I think if you actually read these forums, enough people have said WHY they like Pattaya, you obviously havent read them or you wouldnt come out with such a lame question

I havent seen anything about ex pats,(or tourists) mugging, shooting raping anyone BUT I have read about THAI lady boys, katoey's, taxi drivers, hotels, food stands and resturants ripping off, mugging, assaulting, 'farangs' and tourists, but they still keep coming back, so there must be something about Pattaya you have missed

I would think 70% of the citizens in Pattaya are involved in the tourist trade somehow (WHAT will they do if the expats went home and the tourists stopped coming over ? cant all work on the farm)

Namprick, please ensure brain is engaged before typing

Edited May 11, 2006 by pepsi666

[bkkmadness]

I have no idea why so many foreigners want to live in Pattaya!

I read all these stories here about foreign and Thai criminals doing their business here. Ladyboys drugging drinks, mafia taxi drivers, overpriced everything.

Or may be the foreigners like the beautiful beaches?

Or may be the foreigners love the culture?

There are hundreds of places to live in Thailand, why choose Pattaya?

I gotta say, hes got some fair points. Why choose Pattaya over the other parts of Thailand to live in? It does seem to have some of the worst aspects of this country there.

ok, flame away.

[monty]

I'm not easily drawn into discussions like this, but I not always understand why there are people who don't see at l;east some positives in the place...

For me it's pretty simple. CONVENIENCE...

I live basically in the boonies, yet only 10 minutes away from a town offering a plethora of great restaurants, good shopping (where in Thailand can you find 2 Big C's, 2 Lotus's, a Carrefour, a Tops, Friendship, Best friend, soon a Villa supermarket and Foodland, all within a 10 to 15 minutes driving distance!), good nightlife (both sleazy and decent upmarket)... The list can go on...

Lots of good golf courses within 30 minutes driving distance... International schools...pristine beaches (not talking about Pattaya, but Bang Saen, Rayong, Koh Samet, all quicker to be reached then it takes to drive 10 km in Bangkok during peak hours...)

There is more to Pattaya then what lies between third road and Beach road...

[britmaveric]

BKK - all applies to BKK if the truth be known aside from culture bit.

Pattaya - great attractions, great shopping, easy access to beaches via speedboat, diving, golf, entertainment, restaurants. The list can go on to why live there....

Oh forgot temples, cultural shows, elephant park, tiger zoo, croc farm.

Edited May 11, 2006 by britmaveric

[pepsi666]

BKK - all applies to BKK if the truth be known aside from culture bit.

Pattaya - great attractions, great shopping, easy access to beaches via speedboat, diving, golf, entertainment, restaurants. The list can go on to why live there....

Oh forgot temples, cultural shows, elephant park, tiger zoo, croc farm.

MONTY

I'm not easily drawn into discussions like this, but I not always understand why there are people who don't see at l;east some positives in the place...

For me it's pretty simple. CONVENIENCE...

I live basically in the boonies, yet only 10 minutes away from a town offering a plethora of great restaurants, good shopping (where in Thailand can you find 2 Big C's, 2 Lotus's, a Carrefour, a Tops, Friendship, Best friend, soon a Villa supermarket and Foodland, all within a 10 to 15 minutes driving distance!), good nightlife (both sleazy and decent upmarket)... The list can go on...

Lots of good golf courses within 30 minutes driving distance... International schools...pristine beaches (not talking about Pattaya, but Bang Saen, Rayong, Koh Samet, all quicker to be reached then it takes to drive 10 km in Bangkok during peak hours...)

There is more to Pattaya then what lies between third road and Beach road...

There we go Namprick, you have your answer (I daresay other expats would say the same)

Edited May 11, 2006 by pepsi666

[bkkmadness]

BKK - all applies to BKK if the truth be known aside from culture bit.

Well thats partially true, but I wouldn't choose to live in BKK if I had the choice either, the pollution for one thing does my head in.

One thing Monty said:

There is more to Pattaya then what lies between third road and Beach road...

Thats fair enough, I have to show my ignorance of Pattaya here and tell you thats I've only been to the bars areas when I've been there, but don't all the associated problems that come with tourism (tuk tuk mafia, muggings etc.) effect the expats that that are living away from these Beach Road?

Taking up Brits point again, in Bangkok its easy to avoid the tourist areas, and you can get around minding your own business quite easily, but in Pattaya is it not a bit too 'full on' all the time no matter where you are?

I understand yours and Montys point that it does have a lot of great facilties for both expats and tourists, but thats something easily found elsewhere. It seems that with Pattaya you get the advantages of living in Thailand but a lot of crime and whatever else comes along with it as well so why choose Pattaya above say Phuket or Krabi or Hua Hin for example? Seems you get the same attractions there and much of the same convenience but without as much hassle.