'No snipers' in Ramkhamhaeng clashes

[haroldcane]

Seems to me, that 1 protester was (perhaps) killed by a red shirt, 3 others were red shirts killed by (maybe) the protesters

and the unfortunate guy on the bus who seems to be either a protester or a re shirt (depending which article you read),

but who was certainly killed when the protestors torched the bus.

Support which ever side you want, but let's try to use known facts and not make stuff up.

no facts, but made-up stuff: perhaps - maybe - unfortunate - protestors torched the bus

facts are: the yellows were peaceful before the red mob interfered

the first killing was NOT a protester, but a student at his university

"red shirts killed by (maybe) the protesters"? maybe made-up?

maybe killed by red shirts as 'collateral damage' by 'friendly fire' - maybe even by purpose (cui bono?)

"unfortunate guy on the bus"? "certainly killed when the protestors torched the bus"? certainly??

more likely trapped & killed by his raging arsonist accomplice, another 'red-shirt-guard', another 'collateral damage by friendly FIRE'

'their orders come from far away...this is not the way we put an end to war'

[newcomer71]

Seems to me, that 1 protester was (perhaps) killed by a red shirt, 3 others were red shirts killed by (maybe) the protesters

and the unfortunate guy on the bus who seems to be either a protester or a re shirt (depending which article you read),

but who was certainly killed when the protestors torched the bus.

Support which ever side you want, but let's try to use known facts and not make stuff up.

no facts, but made-up stuff: perhaps - maybe - unfortunate - protestors torched the bus

facts are: the yellows were peaceful before the red mob interfered

the first killing was NOT a protester, but a student at his university

"red shirts killed by (maybe) the protesters"? maybe made-up?

maybe killed by red shirts as 'collateral damage' by 'friendly fire' - maybe even by purpose (cui bono?)

"unfortunate guy on the bus"? "certainly killed when the protestors torched the bus"? certainly??

more likely trapped & killed by his raging arsonist accomplice, another 'red-shirt-guard', another 'collateral damage by friendly FIRE'

'their orders come from far away...this is not the way we put an end to war'

Lol your post is full of certainty, but... from which facts?

The tragic thing is while we try to find to understand things how went, both sides are giving fault to each other and no one will give back 5 people dead to their family.

Everyone is guilty because kill 3 red shirts, one student and another guy is not justifiable by anything! Or you would say opposite? As you said that first one to be killed was not red shirt.

Edited December 8, 2013 by newcomer71

[haroldcane]

Police have apparently arrested people on both sides that had weapons, although whether they were the shooters, I don't know.

would be interesting to know: 1. how many & what weapons from which side? 2. which guns were used recently? which were unused this very day

or is it another state-secret which is not allowed to tell in public? who could/would allow/disallow this?

have you heard that the puppet master was a simple policeman later trained in usa? before he became suddenly a billionaire & PM...

btw: police knows, that 13 red guns & one yellow kitchen knife from a cook would qualify as "both sides had weapons" & means not much...

[hellodolly]

the skeleton found in the torched bus was that of 19-year-old Suradet, who was neither a red-shirt supporter nor a Ramkhamhaeng University student, police said. Suradet reportedly left his Ekamai home with friends and joined as a red-shirt guard before entering the double-decker, which was set on fire, trapping Suradet inside.

As usual the police contradict themselves.

There is a very good article in the other paper's weekend magazine on the Ramkamheng clashes.

My summary is:

1. The red shirts should not have been allowed into the stadium in an area not sympathetic (to put it mildly) to them.

2. They started the clashes by some minor destruction of a university icon and harassing students.

3. The students reacted strongly and violently.

4. The red shirts did the same.

5. The shooting then started with guns on both sides as well as an unknown 'third hand'.

6. The rector asked fro police help which was not forthcoming.

7. Many students trapped in the university by shooters of unknown bias.

8. The rector tried again to get the police to act but had to eventually call the military for help.

9. Police both stood and watched the violence and some actually joined in on the red shirt side.

10. The army finally escorted the trapped students to safety.

While the students' reaction was just as violent as the red shirts, once again a large red shirt gathering ends in serious violence. Thaksin opened the 'Dogs of War' when he created the red shirt leaders, many of whom are violent agitators. The large majority of red shirts who attend these gatherings are non-violent and many are just earning a small stipend. Yes, there are different factions within the red shirt movement - some entirely peaceful - but the bully boys are far too numerous and they take over on the streets.

but the bully boys are far too numerous and they take over on the streets.

You are rite. Unfortunately when the bully boys take over the lambs tend to follow them.

[newcomer71]

Police have apparently arrested people on both sides that had weapons, although whether they were the shooters, I don't know.

would be interesting to know: 1. how many & what weapons from which side? 2. which guns were used recently? which were unused this very day

or is it another state-secret which is not allowed to tell in public? who could/would allow/disallow this?

have you heard that the puppet master was a simple policeman later trained in usa? before he became suddenly a billionaire & PM...

btw: police knows, that 13 red guns & one yellow kitchen knife from a cook would qualify as "both sides had weapons" & means not much...

Red shirts and violent students are both to condemn. No excuses for both sides.

But it seems you depict students like not guilty... So who killed the red shirts, if Ram student were unarmed?