bow Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think there is a fine for both employer and employee if somebody is discovered working without a workpermit. How high is the fine ? I heard a number but it seems much to high. So, what's the truth ? Anybody knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Fine for working without a work permit is jail for up to 5 years and/or a fine of 2000 baht up to 100, 000 and deportation. Employer is 10,000 baht up to 100,000 baht per employee. Source working alien act of 2008. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Employer no jailtime but fine of up to 100,000 baht. The regulations prefer that you negotiate a fine and leave the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailauren Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Why no jail time for employer? Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bow Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Then the number I heard might be correct; 20.000 (= one month salary) for both employer and employee. Employee detained until fine payed. Employer paid both fines the same day and employee returned to work the next day - still without a workpermit, of course. No talk of deportation or leaving the country. Again: This is Thailand. Thank you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think they would be that lenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I do not know, but the psycological cost is very high. Waiting for employers to get their paperwork in order to employ you, but expecting you to be working, while they are waiting for documents to get you the correct visa and W.P. Knowing that you should not be working but knowing that they will show the process is in the works. Employers never bother to wonder how are these employees expected to live in Thailand while waiting the contracts, paperwork and documents for the Non B. Whether it be Tourist visas, 30 day border crossing or other wise. Our lives revolve around the date on the contract. I hope the new rules in Phuket do not reach this far North, no W.P. no job, no waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bow Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think they would be that lenient. I don't know if you are allowed to say this on thaivisa, but this employer might have paid more then the fine, without getting a receipt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think that is understood as being something that could happen. But the important thing to remember is don't work without a work permit because the penalty could be severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted December 17, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think they would be that lenient. I don't know if you are allowed to say this on thaivisa, but this employer might have paid more then the fine, without getting a receipt. No problem, Unsubstantiated accusations and mindless rumors are common place here at the hub of gossip and factoids. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsamourai Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Why no jail time for employer? Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app you want local employers to have a possibility to get rich on the back of foreigners (any origin), so don't hit them too hard if they get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think they would be that lenient. I don't know if you are allowed to say this on thaivisa, but this employer might have paid more then the fine, without getting a receipt. No problem, Unsubstantiated accusations and mindless rumors are common place here at the hub of gossip and factoids. Damn the old no likes left....but I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maderaroja Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Do you really need an explanation of "work" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Soutpeel Posted December 17, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Glady......what ever the DOL and immigration deem work to be.....and yes this is a serious answer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffel45 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Just one point. You must NOT work until your work permit is issued. Do NOT 'start work' until your work permit is issued. Regardless of any fine - you WILL be put in jail, WILL go to Court, WILL then be fined and then you WILL be deported. There are no maybes about that. Do NOT listen to ANYONE who tells you "It's OK to work while your WP is being processed, just get a note from your employer saying it's in the system." IF your papers are in order, passport, Visa etc and you have ALL the WP papers - then "Processing" takes between 2 hours to 2 days if you are in a centre with an authorised dept of Labour office. Most of the WP offenders I dealt with over 8 years, were "school teachers" or thought they were. More than 80% were shopped to Immigration Police by their colleagues. I can think of two famous name primary schools where the Principal had a deal with Immigration. Always in the last month of term. 3 months pay coming up. 10 illegal teachers (all thinking they were legal) - that's 27 months pay. A tidy profit for the Principal and her sister. Remember the maxim in Thailand. "It's like going to the toilet. If the paperwork is good - you don't get in a mess." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Thai Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Do you really need an explanation of "work" ? It's a dirty four letter word. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaPhom Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) If the company cant provide the correct documentation in order to obtain a work permit within a reasonable timespan, it surely isnt worth taking up the position. Certainly would be worried about salary being paid each month, no healtcare and of course working illegally. Edited December 17, 2013 by PattayaPhom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrens54 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The Law is The LAW! Break it at your own risk. I fail to understand why people think that just because it is Thailand, and not the place they came from, they can just ignore the Law-of-the-land. Some people are downright Rude and Stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taotoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember it's something like (paraphrased): "Expending energy be it mental or physical for receipt of payment or otherwise." (So yes, it would be work...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 So far as I can see, no one has defined "work" for me. Can someone do that, Please? Do you really need an explanation of "work" ? alt=coffee1.gif pagespeed_url_hash=2220208811 width=32 height=24> It's a dirty four letter word. I know ! Which is why I gave it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurene Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 It cost me 20,000baht went into his pocket. The guy with shop next door was arrested and spent 2 months in Pattaya Prison, he was on No: 3rd with the sexy underwear shop opposite the Aussie Bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Why no jail time for employer? Because the employer is Thai, and This is Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The Law is The LAW! Break it at your own risk. I fail to understand why people think that just because it is Thailand, and not the place they came from, they can just ignore the Law-of-the-land. Some people are downright Rude and Stupid! Thank you for your input Judge Dredd LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Just one point. You must NOT work until your work permit is issued. Do NOT 'start work' until your work permit is issued. Regardless of any fine - you WILL be put in jail, WILL go to Court, WILL then be fined and then you WILL be deported. There are no maybes about that. Do NOT listen to ANYONE who tells you "It's OK to work while your WP is being processed, just get a note from your employer saying it's in the system." IF your papers are in order, passport, Visa etc and you have ALL the WP papers - then "Processing" takes between 2 hours to 2 days if you are in a centre with an authorised dept of Labour office. Most of the WP offenders I dealt with over 8 years, were "school teachers" or thought they were. More than 80% were shopped to Immigration Police by their colleagues. I can think of two famous name primary schools where the Principal had a deal with Immigration. Always in the last month of term. 3 months pay coming up. 10 illegal teachers (all thinking they were legal) - that's 27 months pay. A tidy profit for the Principal and her sister. Remember the maxim in Thailand. "It's like going to the toilet. If the paperwork is good - you don't get in a mess." What Thailand have you been in for all of these years? There is no paper work involved in going to the toilet in Thailand! Your credibility was flushed down the toilet with the last line of your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condocondo Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 At Court the fine is 3000 baht with two year probation/prohibition on working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 At Court the fine is 3000 baht with two year probation/prohibition on workingThat would be dependent on the court.The fines I posted are from the working aliens act and are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 A judge will make a decison on the circumstances. Most people that are arrested for this are of course nationals from neighbouring countries. A court normally doesn't go all the way to the maximum and going to court can be cheaper than negotiatiing a fine with the labour office/police. But if you go to court, you will have a criminal conviction and record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Westerners caught working without a permit often have other "immigration" offences such as overstay which are also taken into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Removed a reply with false and misleading info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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