Bomb attack on Abhisits home

[whybother]

So, saying that Yingluck would need to get a tutor for her son is a threat?

You just can't admit you wrong.

Even the article states that "Mr. Suthep also sarcastically advised Ms. Yingluck to find her son a tutor in Arab language".

[whybother]

He has been indicted because he allowed the army to be armed.

But did he order any killing? Particularly, did he order any killing of people in the wat?

One not need show a direct order. All that need be proven is that he gave orders such that they would result in death or injury, knowing that would be the outcome. It is however, difficult to prove, unless someone kept minutes of the meetings and participants give testimony to that effect. As this isn't Germany circa 1942, I don't think we are in for a repeat of something like the details of the Wannsee meetings coming out.

I don't agree. If orders were given for the army to be armed with live ammunition because of the threat of protesters being similarly armed, he shouldn't be charged with murder. Are police chiefs charged with murder when ever a policeman shoots someone?

[Mackie]

Look at Suthep mental state. He wants to captive the PM, threathing her 10 year old son, breaking and entering government facilities. He could very well have ordered the killings. But he afraid to fact the judge so who knows.

When did he threaten her son?

Read the news sometime Right here -------> http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE56RTVOVEk1T1E9PQ==&sectionid=TURNd01BPT0=

I don't believe Yingluck's son needs a tutor, But one thing for sure, Nowhereman60 definitely needs one to help him out with his reading comprehension skills. Stop deflecting the topic. Abhisit house was bombed. This topic has nothing to do with Yingluck and Suthep. By the way, he did not threaten her son. Get a tutor.

Edited January 15, 2014 by Mackie

[Nowhereman60]

Look at Suthep mental state. He wants to captive the PM, threathing her 10 year old son, breaking and entering government facilities. He could very well have ordered the killings. But he afraid to fact the judge so who knows.

When did he threaten her son?

Read the news sometime Right here -------> http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE56RTVOVEk1T1E9PQ==&sectionid=TURNd01BPT0=

I don't believe Yingluck's son needs a tutor, But one thing for sure, Nowhereman60 definitely needs one to help him out with his reading comprehension skills. Stop deflecting the topic. Abhisit house was bombed. This topic has nothing to do with Yingluck and Suthep. By the way, he did not threaten her son. Get a tutor.

You need help learning to mind your own damn business.

[IAMSOBAD]

Let's be honest here.

If Thaksins house was bombed...every RED SHIRT would be screaming...the YELLOW SHIRTS did it.

Oh yeah I forgot...Thaksin ran away like a little girl and his house is empty.

[Scamper]

It would be nice if everyone who posted here acknowledged the barbarity of this act. But acts like this unfortunately show that behind every barbaric act, is a barbaric mindset that is tolerant of them.

[geriatrickid]

He has been indicted because he allowed the army to be armed.

But did he order any killing? Particularly, did he order any killing of people in the wat?

One not need show a direct order. All that need be proven is that he gave orders such that they would result in death or injury, knowing that would be the outcome. It is however, difficult to prove, unless someone kept minutes of the meetings and participants give testimony to that effect. As this isn't Germany circa 1942, I don't think we are in for a repeat of something like the details of the Wannsee meetings coming out.

I don't agree. If orders were given for the army to be armed with live ammunition because of the threat of protesters being similarly armed, he shouldn't be charged with murder. Are police chiefs charged with murder when ever a policeman shoots someone?

No he shouldn't. I don't think you understood my comment. To obtain a conviction it would have to be shown that the intent was for "non combatants" to be harmed. Big difference from a protestor being injured/killed at a protest or a "containment" event during legitimate control activity. Very difficult to prove without minutes or direct testimony anyway. . I don't know what he said or did, and to be honest, I don't think he had much say in the matter and was more like a rubber stamp to give the semblance that he was running things at that time. I believe the charges are politically motivated and are intended to answer the demands of a vocal political group and to assuage the families of those killed.

We both know that short of a coup by the colonels no one on the general staff will say otherwise. I think it is reasonable to acknowledge that the people in the wat were killed in a defacto execution, however, it is a stretch to say that Abhisit was directly responsible by giving an order or that he by set up the conditions that allowed it to happen. There will always be military people and police who act on their own for their own motives. We saw it during the drug war and we see it with this incident. Just as Thaksin was admonished for the excess of the police and military at the time, the worst that Abhisit might suffer here is a similar admonishment,. I'd go one step further and say that an admonishment would be unlikely. There is no direct evidence made public to date that supports a conviction. There's enough to perhaps support a politically motivated indictment, but that's about it. I dislike Abhisit, but I'm not going to bray for an unjust conviction of the man to satisfy my disdain.

[LevelHead]

I doubt anyone should be surprised by this violence when Suthep is trying to over throw a Government that was elected by nearly 50% of the voting population. You are always going to get some crazies, all sides have them. Amazing that someone would go to the risk of throwing a grenade at the head of the Democrat Party's house without bothering to check whether anyone was actually home. Unless of course it was a false flag attack designed to instigate the army to come out.

Well, if it were a real attack then it would have been done when people were there.

If it were a false flag attack to try to damage the caretaker government and incite the protestors a little more it would be done when nobody is at home................... just my opinion.

So, anyone at home when the attack happened ?

[whybother]

I doubt anyone should be surprised by this violence when Suthep is trying to over throw a Government that was elected by nearly 50% of the voting population. You are always going to get some crazies, all sides have them. Amazing that someone would go to the risk of throwing a grenade at the head of the Democrat Party's house without bothering to check whether anyone was actually home. Unless of course it was a false flag attack designed to instigate the army to come out.

Well, if it were a real attack then it would have been done when people were there.

If it were a false flag attack to try to damage the caretaker government and incite the protestors a little more it would be done when nobody is at home................... just my opinion.

So, anyone at home when the attack happened ?

If they were pro-government people, would they know (or care) if there was anyone home? It's possible that they decided to do it because there was less security.

[wolf5370]

Funny how only flower pots and windows are damaged from these "bombs"

You would not want to damage your own house

Sent from my iPhone...

I remember several years ago and ex-soldier driving around Thaksin's house with a bomb in the trunk, trying to assassinate him.

He had to drive many times around the house before he caught the attention of the security personnel, and then was discovered that the bomb wasn't wired .

If you did remember rightly, you might have also remembered that it was a hoax/lie and Thaksin was caught out on it.

[GeorgeO]

Funny how only flower pots and windows are damaged from these "bombs"

Despite the readily available, and quite despicable, support for your comment from the "usual suspects", I can assure you there is nothing "funny" about bombs of any description.

I served for four tours of duty in Northern Ireland, and when they mastered the art of bringing together the "harmless" ingredients of ammonium nitrate (fertilizer) and ferrous oxide (iron powder), to create the explosive substance, ANFO, I can assure you no-one was laughing...!!

[Thai at Heart]

Four arrested for allegedly attacking Abhisit's house: Thaworn

BANGKOK: -- Protest leader Thaworn Senneam said Wednesday that a woman and three men had been arrested for allegedly lobbing a kind of bomb at a house of Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Thaworn told Nation Channel that the four suspects were being detained at the Bang Na police station. He said the woman was the leader of the group.

-- The Nation 2014-01-15

How the hell did they catch this bunch in a millisecond?

[Thai at Heart]

He has been indicted because he allowed the army to be armed.

But did he order any killing? Particularly, did he order any killing of people in the wat?

One not need show a direct order. All that need be proven is that he gave orders such that they would result in death or injury, knowing that would be the outcome. It is however, difficult to prove, unless someone kept minutes of the meetings and participants give testimony to that effect. As this isn't Germany circa 1942, I don't think we are in for a repeat of something like the details of the Wannsee meetings coming out.

I don't agree. If orders were given for the army to be armed with live ammunition because of the threat of protesters being similarly armed, he shouldn't be charged with murder. Are police chiefs charged with murder when ever a policeman shoots someone?

No he shouldn't. I don't think you understood my comment. To obtain a conviction it would have to be shown that the intent was for "non combatants" to be harmed. Big difference from a protestor being injured/killed at a protest or a "containment" event during legitimate control activity. Very difficult to prove without minutes or direct testimony anyway. . I don't know what he said or did, and to be honest, I don't think he had much say in the matter and was more like a rubber stamp to give the semblance that he was running things at that time. I believe the charges are politically motivated and are intended to answer the demands of a vocal political group and to assuage the families of those killed.

We both know that short of a coup by the colonels no one on the general staff will say otherwise. I think it is reasonable to acknowledge that the people in the wat were killed in a defacto execution, however, it is a stretch to say that Abhisit was directly responsible by giving an order or that he by set up the conditions that allowed it to happen. There will always be military people and police who act on their own for their own motives. We saw it during the drug war and we see it with this incident. Just as Thaksin was admonished for the excess of the police and military at the time, the worst that Abhisit might suffer here is a similar admonishment,. I'd go one step further and say that an admonishment would be unlikely. There is no direct evidence made public to date that supports a conviction. There's enough to perhaps support a politically motivated indictment, but that's about it. I dislike Abhisit, but I'm not going to bray for an unjust conviction of the man to satisfy my disdain.

Of course that is what should happen.

[Thai at Heart]

He has been indicted because he allowed the army to be armed.

But did he order any killing? Particularly, did he order any killing of people in the wat?

One not need show a direct order. All that need be proven is that he gave orders such that they would result in death or injury, knowing that would be the outcome. It is however, difficult to prove, unless someone kept minutes of the meetings and participants give testimony to that effect. As this isn't Germany circa 1942, I don't think we are in for a repeat of something like the details of the Wannsee meetings coming out.

I don't agree. If orders were given for the army to be armed with live ammunition because of the threat of protesters being similarly armed, he shouldn't be charged with murder. Are police chiefs charged with murder when ever a policeman shoots someone?

No he shouldn't. I don't think you understood my comment. To obtain a conviction it would have to be shown that the intent was for "non combatants" to be harmed. Big difference from a protestor being injured/killed at a protest or a "containment" event during legitimate control activity. Very difficult to prove without minutes or direct testimony anyway. . I don't know what he said or did, and to be honest, I don't think he had much say in the matter and was more like a rubber stamp to give the semblance that he was running things at that time. I believe the charges are politically motivated and are intended to answer the demands of a vocal political group and to assuage the families of those killed.

We both know that short of a coup by the colonels no one on the general staff will say otherwise. I think it is reasonable to acknowledge that the people in the wat were killed in a defacto execution, however, it is a stretch to say that Abhisit was directly responsible by giving an order or that he by set up the conditions that allowed it to happen. There will always be military people and police who act on their own for their own motives. We saw it during the drug war and we see it with this incident. Just as Thaksin was admonished for the excess of the police and military at the time, the worst that Abhisit might suffer here is a similar admonishment,. I'd go one step further and say that an admonishment would be unlikely. There is no direct evidence made public to date that supports a conviction. There's enough to perhaps support a politically motivated indictment, but that's about it. I dislike Abhisit, but I'm not going to bray for an unjust conviction of the man to satisfy my disdain.

Of course that is what should happen.

[Bernard Flint]

Well lets see now. There are varying reports on this incident ranging from "a bomb was thrown" to " a firework was set off". Irrespective as to what it actually was, and assuming that there is an element of truth in all reports then it should not be too long before the facts are made known given that as the opposition leader he was entitled to security personnel ( and I assume still entitled during this caretaker government phase) and of course addtionally his house has extensive CCTV.

Now we know that CCTV often is discovered "not to be working" during many police investigations but does anyone seriously believe that given the current political state he and his personal security advisors would not have ensured that it was working ? Not forgetting of course what were the security guards doing at the time of the incident ?

Therefore we should soon find out what caused the explosion and how it was deployed and from whom - of course unless it is just propaganda with the aim of either discrediting some other parties or attempting to "add fuel to the fire" no pun intended.

sir

Pure propaganda.The reds have not bitten during this ilegal protest aginst a democratic elected government,which the yellows are not happy about,so they make up stories to fuel the fire.

[mikemac]

Thaksin and his red minion army is getting restless! He's thinking, they are doing!

Suthep and his yellow zombies escalating the situation in an attempt to achieve their twisted objectives.

(really... these kinds of posts are painful & should be banned)

Your type of posts usually do get banned, eventually.

[Mr Yim]

I am perplexed as to why some of the posters are getting so het up about this political crisis and even more so, the hatred for Thaksin. What difference does it really make to those who are living here who is in power? And has Thaksin's corruption affected our lives in any shape or form? I for one would say no and no. Just chill and enjoy the weakening baht.

[Zumteufel]

I thought there were police parked outside Abhisit's house 24/7.

Yes, indeed.

Occam's razor anyone?

Small bombs/explosives can be thrown from all sides around a house, not just from the angle where the police is guarding the premises. Especially if they are as small as ping pong balls. An explosion on the roof does point at something being thrown, right? Occam's razor anyone?

[Theoutsider]

The war will be fought at night.it is getting a bit hairy out there.

[rebelplatoon]

Disgusted with this useless violence....

[ffaarraanngg]

If i was a controversial politician with a family, living in a residential area in the centre of Bangkok would not be my idea of taking measures to lessen the chances of an attack.

Surely if he had any sense he'd move somewhere slightly lower profile.

[keddy]

I am perplexed as to why some of the posters are getting so het up about this political crisis and even more so, the hatred for Thaksin. What difference does it really make to those who are living here who is in power? And has Thaksin's corruption affected our lives in any shape or form? I for one would say no and no. Just chill and enjoy the weakening baht.

Thanks Mr Yim or should I say I, Me Mine, Some of us work here and have friends and family who don't hold reserves of foreign currency. Besides if things really do get nasty then everyone will suffer the consequences.

[Mackie]

It's simply astonishing that some people on this forum always try to blame any bomb attack on Democrats or any anyone else who opposes the current government as a propaganda stunt. If you paid more attention you would surely realize that the number of protesters dropped since someone started committing acts of violence, Drive by shootings, occasional firebomb or hand grenade in the back yard, threats, etc...mainly against people who support anti-government protest in one way or another. It is obvious that people got intimidated and scared by those acts of violence so they stayed at home. So I would really like to hear from red supporters why on earth would Democrats or yellows as you call all people who oppose this joke of a government bomb themselves or shoot at themselves when it is crystal clear that violence is not benefiting them. The more violence, the less people on the streets. Enlighten us, please.

Edited January 15, 2014 by Mackie

[peecee]

Funny how only flower pots and windows are damaged from these "bombs"

There's very little that is funny about bombs. Perhaps you'd prefer a few deaths and maimings?

Bombing a residence or anywhere else for that matter is serious regardless of the side you are on.

The police reported them as fire crackers.

[AleG]

Funny how only flower pots and windows are damaged from these "bombs"

There's very little that is funny about bombs. Perhaps you'd prefer a few deaths and maimings?

Bombing a residence or anywhere else for that matter is serious regardless of the side you are on.

The police reported them as fire crackers.

Firecrackers neither make holes on roofs big enough for a man to pass through nor leave shrapnel gouges.

Go to the Bangkok Post website, see the photos and tell me if firecrackers do that sort of damage.

[bigbamboo]

I do not condone murder- with or without a trial. I wish Abhisit to face his charges stemming from that Temple incident , certainly.

^ But didn't the entire House vote for it? Wouldn't it have also pardoned Abhisit? Didn't Yingluck veto it?

Suthep needs to be stopped, and now, I really would support violence in apprehending him, perhaps just talented sniper employed. He will just go further and further until he seizes total power. He is very much like a leader of another highly nationalistic socialist party ca 1930's .

No Yingluck didn't veto it. The contentious amnesty whitewash bill will be returned to parliament when the 180 days are up and can then be pushed through.

Other versions of the bill were killed off, and YL has promised not to resurrect this one. Problem is, she's been caught lying before and has a propensity for doing u-turns, as bother changes his mind.

But, seeing as how you condone murder without trial, I guess that wouldn't bother you.

" I really would support violence in apprehending him, perhaps just talented sniper employed."

That sounds very much like you condone murder.

Certainly does.

And it also sounds as if the poor confused soul has been out in the midday sun too often.

[Tim1980]

Funny how only flower pots and windows are damaged from these "bombs"

There's very little that is funny about bombs. Perhaps you'd prefer a few deaths and maimings?

Bombing a residence or anywhere else for that matter is serious regardless of the side you are on.

The police reported them as fire crackers.

Firecrackers neither make holes on roofs big enough for a man to pass through nor leave shrapnel gouges.

Go to the Bangkok Post website, see the photos and tell me if firecrackers do that sort of damage.

let's try out if it is capable of making holes or not, looks like you know a lot about it