Probe into PM Yingluck will be comprehensive

[Lite Beer]

Probe into PM Yingluck will be comprehensive

BANGKOK: -- The enquiry into caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra’s role in the rice pledging scheme and the nonexistent Chinese rice deals will be comprehensive and cover all related aspects, said National Anti-Corruption Commission member Vicha Mahakhun Friday.

The NACC on Thursday agreed to file corruption charges against former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom, former deputy commerce minister Poom Saraphol and 13 other individuals involved in the scandal. The commission also decided to investigate Ms Yingluck for alleged neglect of duty in her capacity as chairwoman of the National Rice Policy Committee.

Mr Vicha who is to head the probe team against Ms Yingluck said the team would look into the conduct of the prime minister as from the day the NACC first warned the government about the suspected corruption in the rice pledging scheme as well as the protests against the scheme from academics and critics.

The probe team will also consider what remedies the prime minister or the government had taken after the warnings and protests against the scheme, said Mr Vicha.

He explained that delegating a deputy prime minister to oversee the scheme on the prime minister’s behalf could not be used as an excuse to avoid responsibility as she still needs to oversee and follow up the performance of her deputy.

He said he could not say for sure how long the enquiry would take but noted that some enquiry had already been undertaken.

Regarding Mr Boonsong’s complaint that he was not given a chance to defend himself against the charge against him, Mr Vicha explained that there was no need for the commission to question the suspect or to allow him to testify in defence of himself because this was just an enquiry process.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/probe-pm-yingluck-will-comprehensive/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=probe-pm-yingluck-will-comprehensive

-- Thai PBS 2014-01-17

[Nacho]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

[NeverSure]

Sounds like we need a new amnesty bill plane ticket to Dubai.

[uty6543]

"He said he could not say for sure how long the enquiry would take but noted that some enquiry had already been undertaken."

How long do inquires of this type take? Could this be the downfall of Yingluck as she is not going to do the decent thing and resign.

[Artisi]

But - but - but, my brother made me do it.

[trainman34014]

This is what will bring her down once and for all but they need to get on with it and complete their 'probing' with all due haste. Way too much talk in this country and not enough action.

[jayboy]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

[love1012]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

hahaha - they would seem to be doing a pretty good job of trashing themselves!!! Elected or not - but then they were never supposed to be a good Government were they? - Just to get through the amnesty bill!! with full pardons for square head!! By the way - note in your own link how significant the watermellons are - totally disproving your theory of a coup - the Militarys alegiance to its traditional masters has wained probably through pay offs from Dubai!!

Edited January 17, 2014 by love1012

[Nacho]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

Judicial intervention should have started long ago on this corrupt scheme, but back then no one wanted to upset the apple cart as the reds would have definitely been out to cry foul wether true or not. I'd call that political intimidation which the red leadership is so very good at. Now with the apple cart already upset these charges can move forward as the NACC are damned if they do and damned it they don't.

[millwall_fan]

......And this is the direction we're going in. The protests won't work, as they didn't work when they closed the airports. But the most potent force the Ruling Elite have in their favour is the judiciary, who have never let them down.

[Scamper]

Imagine for a minute - a massive rice export deal with China. Except that - it never actually happened, you see. Problem was - no rice was ever exported. As the NACC follows this story - doubtless filled to the brim with intrigue and mafioso finesse, the administration yet again looks into the abyss of impeachment for what seems like the umpteenth time. Even Yingluck has been caught up in the actions of her subordinates, and even though it's more than credible that she has no clue what's going on - in the stark reality of at least physically impersonating a prime minister - she is still to be held accountable.

[kimamey]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

The courts may or may not be biased but then the DSI is definitely biased so perhaps it balances out.

The thing is if the Chinese rice deals turn out to be fake I don't see what difference it makes.

[englishoak]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

The yellows have dominated these institutions for a long time I have no doubt that there is a current attempt to instigate a Judicial coup. I don't however think even if it successful things will work out as well as they hope. For a few years maybe at most but the genie is long out of the bottle and the people will only be fooled for so long even by the courts claiming legal high ground.

it may well be this gov deserves its downfall but this will not fix the problems Thailand has. People are far more clued up these days and the net provides information to any new slight of hand employed even if its in the courts.

It is astounding how obvious it is becoming that certain parties want control and will seek it by any means. the courts will have to be very careful in constructing their case, this will be the third party chosen by the people to be dissolved if it does happen, sooner or later the people will catch on to what is going on and when they do and if they lose faith in the justice system as well there will be all hell to pay.

Edited January 17, 2014 by englishoak

[pipkins]

......And this is the direction we're going in. The protests won't work, as they didn't work when they closed the airports. But the most potent force the Ruling Elite have in their favour is the judiciary, who have never let them down.

They are the ultimate pet arn't they. Brought cheer to the Dem support on here tonight. After a week of shambles, falling numbers, student thuggery, petty whistle intimidation, planting a red hat in an empty house.

That bomb was so dodgy today that even Suthep is looking unsure of himself on stage. Said. Not more pictures because the press had taken cover... So they knew it was coming. Hmmmmmm. If only the students hadn't looted all those police vehicles there could have been a more creditable smeer perpetrated against the police.

The crime scene is not... it is compromised and set up. The only thing the police could measure is the length of the shit stains Suthep left when he bravely ran off. Screw the mob... I'm offski!

In the mean time, dream on with your Judicial Coup as if the Army don't back it up with Guns ( a real Coup ) it wlll be the courts who come in for a bout of reform... long overdue it is as well

[Basil B]

Does that mean she will have to answer all the question that the NACC ask her?

[winstonc]

......And this is the direction we're going in. The protests won't work, as they didn't work when they closed the airports. But the most potent force the Ruling Elite have in their favour is the judiciary, who have never let them down.

so what your saying is it should be dropped and no investigation..wise up and and get real...and stay on topic..

[bubblegum]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

You seem to miss the whole point of the OP, It's corruption ! But then again that's ok with you. As long as they still have funds to pay you for posting.

Thinking about your fellow posters; not seen a lot activity lately......

[RubbaJohnny]

sticky?

[mamypoko]

were i blessed with such a beauty, i'd insist on a probe, too

[clockman]

T.i.T, Nothing will happen. Everything is make believe here.A moraly bankrupt country.

[oldthaihand99]

"Probe into PM Yingluck will be comprehensive"

Unless a new deal with the opposing elite is made first:

"Yingluck hasn’t been Thaksin’s “clone,” as he originally hoped, and there has been ample evidence that she was often able to set her own agenda and to form her own political alliances. In particular, it’s clear that her government couldn’t have lasted nearly 30 months without receiving an informal green light from the traditional establishment. An elite deal was in place between Yingluck, the network and the military to paper over Thailand’s political divides and allow for “business as usual.” This deal partly collapsed as a result of the abortive move to push through amnesty legislation in late 2013 – where Thaksin clearly overplayed his hand – and partly because the Democrat Party and anti-Thaksin forces set out systematically to sabotage the pact."

"...The reluctance of the military to intervene directly in the present crisis has illustrated the residual strength of the longstanding deal which kept Yingluck in office."

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/14/whats-behind-thai-protests/

[steveromagnino]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

I generally appreciate your posts Jayboy, but in this case, you do not feel that the likely loss of 400 billion baht ++ and total lack of accountability or failure to heed any of the many warnings and warning signs should just be brushed under the carpet?

I agree it may seem to be picking on her, but let's bear in mind that this is a whole lot different than the trumped up DSI set up against Suthep/Abhisit where Tarit et al get off scott free, this is unquestionably corruption, the only issue is who is to blame.

Let's not forget how Thaksin intimidated the judges in his false asset declaration, or how his wife tried to pay them off with 'donut box gate', or how his wife falsified documents and presented them in court, or how many various politicians have lied about degrees, hidden their relatives for a murder charge, run off overseas to avoid punishment - there is a total lack of respect for the judiciary from some politicians, all I can suggest is if a politician doesn't want to be sued/sent to jail....don't break the law.

[petedk]

Does that mean she will have to answer all the question that the NACC ask her?

Probably ....... If she attends the meeting (and meetings are not exactly her strong point).

[englishoak]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

I generally appreciate your posts Jayboy, but in this case, you do not feel that the likely loss of 400 billion baht ++ and total lack of accountability or failure to heed any of the many warnings and warning signs should just be brushed under the carpet?

I agree it may seem to be picking on her, but let's bear in mind that this is a whole lot different than the trumped up DSI set up against Suthep/Abhisit where Tarit et al get off scott free, this is unquestionably corruption, the only issue is who is to blame.

Let's not forget how Thaksin intimidated the judges in his false asset declaration, or how his wife tried to pay them off with 'donut box gate', or how his wife falsified documents and presented them in court, or how many various politicians have lied about degrees, hidden their relatives for a murder charge, run off overseas to avoid punishment - there is a total lack of respect for the judiciary from some politicians, all I can suggest is if a politician doesn't want to be sued/sent to jail....don't break the law.

If the charges are trumped up why is Suthep repeatedly failing to appear when asked ? either you accept people are not responsible for others actions or you dont, if you do then whatever actions go on previously by others has absolutely no bearing on the present, by that I mean your reference to lets not forget blah blah is totally irrelevant to the now. Your right there is a total lack of respect for the law .. period. or Suthep would have been arrested on insurrection charges long ago.

The whole system is corrupt and compromised to the core from top down. including the judicial system. Dubai isnt big enough to house all of them that deserve an ousting.

[Thait Spot]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

I generally appreciate your posts Jayboy, but in this case, you do not feel that the likely loss of 400 billion baht ++ and total lack of accountability or failure to heed any of the many warnings and warning signs should just be brushed under the carpet?

I agree it may seem to be picking on her, but let's bear in mind that this is a whole lot different than the trumped up DSI set up against Suthep/Abhisit where Tarit et al get off scott free, this is unquestionably corruption, the only issue is who is to blame.

Let's not forget how Thaksin intimidated the judges in his false asset declaration, or how his wife tried to pay them off with 'donut box gate', or how his wife falsified documents and presented them in court, or how many various politicians have lied about degrees, hidden their relatives for a murder charge, run off overseas to avoid punishment - there is a total lack of respect for the judiciary from some politicians, all I can suggest is if a politician doesn't want to be sued/sent to jail....don't break the law.

If the charges are trumped up why is Suthep repeatedly failing to appear when asked ? either you accept people are not responsible for others actions or you dont, if you do then whatever actions go on previously by others has absolutely no bearing on the present, by that I mean your reference to lets not forget blah blah is totally irrelevant to the now. Your right there is a total lack of respect for the law .. period. or Suthep would have been arrested on insurrection charges long ago.

The whole system is corrupt and compromised to the core from top down. including the judicial system. Dubai isnt big enough to house all of them that deserve an ousting.

Say what you want about Suthep I am sure he's worthy of some of it.

However he will always be more honourable than Thaksin for staying to face the music

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[moe666]

I had some Yingluck rice to today a bit dirty and a few rocks in it and a nasty smell.

[gerry1011]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

I do agree.

And a reform of the justice is the first reform the country needs in order evolve in the right direction.

A neutral justice system and a government taking the interests of the people into account. That is what is needed.

For the government there is Yingluck and the PT already. No problem.

But for the justice system to be neutral lots of things should be changed.

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[JAG]

It really would light the blue touch paper if Yingluck were to win a convincing victory in the election, only for the courts to overturn it. That would be, I reckon, the fourth time in ten years that the people would have chosen a government only to have it removed by some agency of what may be termed the establishment!

Methinks rather a lot of people would be rather upset.

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[bigbamboo]

But - but - but, my brother made me do it.

She would have a point there.

[moonao]

But but but.... They were elected. But the Dems. But it's politically motivated.

Maybe it's political that these charges were not probed long ago.

It's part of the plan.The Democrats can't win elections so the choice for the old guard is either a military coup or judicial intervention.Suthep is doing the old guard's groundwork so that the country is as chaotic as possible.It's now understood a coup would be counterproductive so the chosen method of trashing an elected government is directed judicial activism.The courts have been packed with partisan yellow judges.

http://www.dw.de/military-undecided-in-thailand-conflict/a-17361237

good post.

and from that link,

"The institutions are attempting to criminalize the "red" government in an effort to block any constitutional way out of the political crisis. "The opposition are trying to prevent the normal democratic process until the point is reached where there is no other way out of the stalemate than to set up an unelected People's Council, as demanded by the opposition." In the end, Saxer says, "it will appear as if it was all legal.""