How do you maintain your coffee machine (fully automatic) ?

[Bagsida]

Is this just another useless Post from an idiot member whom doesn't know Google? Is there a question here? Thai Visa should be as is, a help App for Foreigners leaving abroad, not lazy idiots.

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Which post are you referring to ?

[meatboy]

alternative "find a good coffee shop" I GIVE UP

I agree, if you drink 1-2 cups daily only and there´s a good coffee shop nearby or you like to meet people there that´s a good alternative

Such a Fully Automatic Coffee Machine is something for real coffee lovers and also can be a hobby

as you have kept mentioning your fully automatic coffee machine maybe I can help you afterall.

I have such, where I don't have to do anything to get a good cup of coffee.

1 the water is poured into the machine.

2 the ground coffee is measured into the filter.

3 the electric is switched on.

4 the pot is warmed.

5 then the fully automatic machine will then heat the water and pump it through the ground coffee into the pot.

6 then suger is added to the warmed cup or glass

7 then the coffee is automatically poured into the cup or glass.

8 all the while I am sat in my armchair reading the English paper.

9 I have had this for over 25yrs.and doesn't need descaleing just tender care and love.

you might ask where can I get one of these automatic coffee makers.

you will see them everywhere its called A WIFE.

[Bagsida]

alternative "find a good coffee shop" I GIVE UP

I agree, if you drink 1-2 cups daily only and there´s a good coffee shop nearby or you like to meet people there that´s a good alternative

Such a Fully Automatic Coffee Machine is something for real coffee lovers and also can be a hobby

as you have kept mentioning your fully automatic coffee machine maybe I can help you afterall.

I have such, where I don't have to do anything to get a good cup of coffee.

1 the water is poured into the machine.

2 the ground coffee is measured into the filter.

3 the electric is switched on.

4 the pot is warmed.

5 then the fully automatic machine will then heat the water and pump it through the ground coffee into the pot.

6 then suger is added to the warmed cup or glass

7 then the coffee is automatically poured into the cup or glass.

8 all the while I am sat in my armchair reading the English paper.

9 I have had this for over 25yrs.and doesn't need descaleing just tender care and love.

you might ask where can I get one of these automatic coffee makers.

you will see them everywhere its called A WIFE.

But the difference is that these coffee makers don´t prepare the coffee with high pressure but has to be cleaned too (integrated cleaning program) - one more difference is that it´s easy to buy cleaner for this type of coffee makers in Thailand

Edited January 29, 2014 by Bagsida

[Quickmill]

While we are at it, what do you reckon is a good coffee machine with grinder on top? At work , we had 2 Siemens and even if it is German technology, they were both often broken.

Here in Thailandd they are at around 50,000 baht. What about Bon Cafe and Severin coffee machine with incorporated grinder? Are they any good?

i have an alternative :-)

[harrry]

While we are at it, what do you reckon is a good coffee machine with grinder on top? At work , we had 2 Siemens and even if it is German technology, they were both often broken.

Here in Thailandd they are at around 50,000 baht. What about Bon Cafe and Severin coffee machine with incorporated grinder? Are they any good?

i have an alternative :-)

Thought you had forgotten us.

I would have liked your alternative but I cannot afford it:(

Have to keep using a 6000baht manual.

You still haven't sent me that grappa to try with the coffee:)

[Quickmill]

Hi Harry, do you said Grappa?

Just for stay in OP....i don't think it's good for coffee machine maintenance

[harrry]

Hi Harry, do you said Grappa?

Just for stay in OP....i don't think it's good for coffee machine maintenance

Enough of that and you stop worrying about the coffee machine and take more interest in the scenery.

What would you suggest for cleaning ordinary level coffee machines.

I guess it depends on aluminium or copper boilers.

Edited March 19, 2014 by harrry

[Bagsida]

While we are at it, what do you reckon is a good coffee machine with grinder on top? At work , we had 2 Siemens and even if it is German technology, they were both often broken.

Here in Thailandd they are at around 50,000 baht. What about Bon Cafe and Severin coffee machine with incorporated grinder? Are they any good?

i have an alternative :-)

I can´t see the "alternative" only another brand

[harrry]

While we are at it, what do you reckon is a good coffee machine with grinder on top? At work , we had 2 Siemens and even if it is German technology, they were both often broken.

Here in Thailandd they are at around 50,000 baht. What about Bon Cafe and Severin coffee machine with incorporated grinder? Are they any good?

i have an alternative :-)

I can´t see the "alternative" only another brand

Which as he is a sponsor is well worth checking out. They get good reviews internationally and he has been a sponsor here for a couple of years so is not a fly by night. I found his machines more expensive than I could afford but as good as or better than others on the market and he does ensure service is available.

I still wih he would say what to use to clean the machines....but I guess he got called away.

[Bagsida]

While we are at it, what do you reckon is a good coffee machine with grinder on top? At work , we had 2 Siemens and even if it is German technology, they were both often broken.

Here in Thailandd they are at around 50,000 baht. What about Bon Cafe and Severin coffee machine with incorporated grinder? Are they any good?

i have an alternative :-)

I can´t see the "alternative" only another brand

Which as he is a sponsor is well worth checking out. They get good reviews internationally and he has been a sponsor here for a couple of years so is not a fly by night. I found his machines more expensive than I could afford but as good as or better than others on the market and he does ensure service is available.

I still wih he would say what to use to clean the machines....but I guess he got called away.

Yes - that´s the question - in the meanwhile I learned that "DeLonghi" doens´t need to be cleaned with such tabs - I couldn´t believe that, but after read the manual I belived it

[Quickmill]

first of all i suggest to avoid vinegar, it's an aggressive agent for all rubber parts such as o-ring, viton, and gasket, so maybe you can save money in the descaling product but you will face costs due to a rapid deterioration of the above mentioned parts and there is the risk to drink coffee with vinegar smell.

I even don’t believe in “surrogate” descaling products, I had no prove they can achieving the result.

Just for issue a name I can say Dezcal by Urnex it’s a product available in Thailand and suitable for fully auto and semi auto machines home use.

By the way,due to different features of fully auto machines ( ex: a thermoblock instead of a boiler, copper pipes instead of teflon pipes ect ect ) I suggest to read the user’s manual before to descale your machine or contact your supplier.

If your fully auto has an auto descaling program just start it, if not ( I always prefer a manual process):

Follow the descaling product instruction for the proper dosage.

If the product is in powder, I suggest to dissolve it in warm water ( not more than 40 Celsius degrees) before to pour it in to water tank.

Start to brew water from the steam/hot water wand,( never trough the brewing group) about 100cc. ( depend even by the capacity volume of the thermoblock/boiler)

Than put the machine in idle on and wait 10 minutes to let the solution to work, repeat the process until the water tank will being emptied.

Wash the water tank with fresh water and refill it again only with fresh water than start the rinse process always trough the steam/hot water wand.

Don’t forget that the vibratory water pump ( usually installed in these machines) cannot run continuously for more than 1 minute, so run it with some pause to avoid overheat .

Limescale it’s more dangerous for machines equipped with boiler because the heater element it’s in direct contact with the water so the issue could be not only a reduced water flow rate but even a reduced temperature due to the surface of the heater element it’s “coated” by scale.

Honestly, using only bottled drinking water, the descaling should not be necessary, but for the peace of mind, somebody prefer to do it.

Another thing, don’t believe that dissolve/dilute descaling products in less water will speed the process, the risk it’s that instead to dissolve limescale ( if any) and let it pass trough the pipes, some solid particles of limescale dislodged during the fast process could choke the hydraulic path.

Take it easy and take the right time to do it.

For other machine models the process is similar but in some models is suggested to altenate the descaling process between the steam/hot water wand and the brewing group head.

[Bagsida]

first of all i suggest to avoid vinegar, it's an aggressive agent for all rubber parts such as o-ring, viton, and gasket, so maybe you can save money in the descaling product but you will face costs due to a rapid deterioration of the above mentioned parts and there is the risk to drink coffee with vinegar smell.

I even don’t believe in “surrogate” descaling products, I had no prove they can achieving the result.

Just for issue a name I can say Dezcal by Urnex it’s a product available in Thailand and suitable for fully auto and semi auto machines home use.

By the way,due to different features of fully auto machines ( ex: a thermoblock instead of a boiler, copper pipes instead of teflon pipes ect ect ) I suggest to read the user’s manual before to descale your machine or contact your supplier.

If your fully auto has an auto descaling program just start it, if not ( I always prefer a manual process):

Follow the descaling product instruction for the proper dosage.

If the product is in powder, I suggest to dissolve it in warm water ( not more than 40 Celsius degrees) before to pour it in to water tank.

Start to brew water from the steam/hot water wand,( never trough the brewing group) about 100cc. ( depend even by the capacity volume of the thermoblock/boiler)

Than put the machine in idle on and wait 10 minutes to let the solution to work, repeat the process until the water tank will being emptied.

Wash the water tank with fresh water and refill it again only with fresh water than start the rinse process always trough the steam/hot water wand.

Don’t forget that the vibratory water pump ( usually installed in these machines) cannot run continuously for more than 1 minute, so run it with some pause to avoid overheat .

Limescale it’s more dangerous for machines equipped with boiler because the heater element it’s in direct contact with the water so the issue could be not only a reduced water flow rate but even a reduced temperature due to the surface of the heater element it’s “coated” by scale.

Honestly, using only bottled drinking water, the descaling should not be necessary, but for the peace of mind, somebody prefer to do it.

Another thing, don’t believe that dissolve/dilute descaling products in less water will speed the process, the risk it’s that instead to dissolve limescale ( if any) and let it pass trough the pipes, some solid particles of limescale dislodged during the fast process could choke the hydraulic path.

Take it easy and take the right time to do it.

For other machine models the process is similar but in some models is suggested to altenate the descaling process between the steam/hot water wand and the brewing group head.

Thx for the good description, but sorry you are talking about descaling and we are talking about cleaning ...... that are completely different topics

[harrry]

first of all i suggest to avoid vinegar, it's an aggressive agent for all rubber parts such as o-ring, viton, and gasket, so maybe you can save money in the descaling product but you will face costs due to a rapid deterioration of the above mentioned parts and there is the risk to drink coffee with vinegar smell.

I even don’t believe in “surrogate” descaling products, I had no prove they can achieving the result.

Just for issue a name I can say Dezcal by Urnex it’s a product available in Thailand and suitable for fully auto and semi auto machines home use.

By the way,due to different features of fully auto machines ( ex: a thermoblock instead of a boiler, copper pipes instead of teflon pipes ect ect ) I suggest to read the user’s manual before to descale your machine or contact your supplier.

If your fully auto has an auto descaling program just start it, if not ( I always prefer a manual process):

Follow the descaling product instruction for the proper dosage.

If the product is in powder, I suggest to dissolve it in warm water ( not more than 40 Celsius degrees) before to pour it in to water tank.

Start to brew water from the steam/hot water wand,( never trough the brewing group) about 100cc. ( depend even by the capacity volume of the thermoblock/boiler)

Than put the machine in idle on and wait 10 minutes to let the solution to work, repeat the process until the water tank will being emptied.

Wash the water tank with fresh water and refill it again only with fresh water than start the rinse process always trough the steam/hot water wand.

Don’t forget that the vibratory water pump ( usually installed in these machines) cannot run continuously for more than 1 minute, so run it with some pause to avoid overheat .

Limescale it’s more dangerous for machines equipped with boiler because the heater element it’s in direct contact with the water so the issue could be not only a reduced water flow rate but even a reduced temperature due to the surface of the heater element it’s “coated” by scale.

Honestly, using only bottled drinking water, the descaling should not be necessary, but for the peace of mind, somebody prefer to do it.

Another thing, don’t believe that dissolve/dilute descaling products in less water will speed the process, the risk it’s that instead to dissolve limescale ( if any) and let it pass trough the pipes, some solid particles of limescale dislodged during the fast process could choke the hydraulic path.

Take it easy and take the right time to do it.

For other machine models the process is similar but in some models is suggested to altenate the descaling process between the steam/hot water wand and the brewing group head.

Thx for the good description, but sorry you are talking about descaling and we are talking about cleaning ...... that are completely different topics

Maybe he is talking about the same thing but more correctly as he is talking about using the descaling products which are specifiy used to remove lime deposits. Of course the water used can clean too.

As he says if the water is not hard there is not need for descaling and he especially points out the dangers of vinegar..

Reading between the lines this seems to indicate compounds are not needed allways too.

Personally I find most problem with the grinders not being cleaned properly regularly. Most foul coffee I have had elsehere has come from these and as the enzmes that cause the ranknes develop quickly I have even been caught at home.

Edited March 21, 2014 by harrry

[Bagsida]

first of all i suggest to avoid vinegar, .............

For other machine models the process is similar but in some models is suggested to altenate the descaling process between the steam/hot water wand and the brewing group head.

Thx for the good description, but sorry you are talking about descaling and we are talking about cleaning ...... that are completely different topics

Maybe he is talking about the same thing but more correctly as he is talking about using the descaling products which are specifiy used to remove lime deposits. Of course the water used can clean too.

As he says if the water is not hard there is not need for descaling and he especially points out the dangers of vinegar..

Reading between the lines this seems to indicate compounds are not needed allways too.

Personally I find most problem with the grinders not being cleaned properly regularly. Most foul coffee I have had elsehere has come from these and as the enzmes that cause the ranknes develop quickly I have even been caught at home.

Anyway a specialist like a dealer should know about the difference between descaling and cleaning + that the most fully automatik coffee machines with cleaning program need to be cleaned with such cleaning tabs.

Dear "Quickmill" please don´t let us read between the lines

Edited March 21, 2014 by Bagsida

[Quickmill]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

[Bagsida]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

Thx

Boncoffe : http://www.boncafe.co.th/en/product/awimac-cleaning-tablets/ Price ???

Aroma : http://aromaonline.aromathailand.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=cat_show_pro_detail&cid=38401&pid=160442 / Price ???

Coffeeworks : ??? (no offer on homepage)

Espressofriend : http://www.espressofriend.com 100 tabs = THB 1,250.-

Quick Mill Professional 5000a (fully automatic) :

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 ?

As I could find in the manual this machine has no automatic cleaning program, but it is recommended to use cleaning tabs.

Page 5 in the manual (see attachment) :

"Reinigungsspülung

Durch Drücken der Taste (3) können Sie eine automatische Reinigungsspülung der

Maschine durchführen. Stellen Sie dazu die gewünschte Wassermenge mit dem Einstellrad

(10) ein (Empfehlung: 5-6 einstellen). Das Wasser stellt nach erfolgter Spülung automatisch

ab. Bei dieser Funktion kann vor dem drücken der Taste 3 eine Entfettungstablette in den

Brühzylinder eingelegt werden."

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 and why does QuickMill / Thailand don´t offer them ?

Quick Mill_5000a_manual_GER.pdf

Edited March 22, 2014 by Bagsida

[harrry]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

Thx

Boncoffe : http://www.boncafe.co.th/en/product/awimac-cleaning-tablets/ Price ???

Aroma : http://aromaonline.aromathailand.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=cat_show_pro_detail&cid=38401&pid=160442 / Price ???

Coffeeworks : ??? (no offer on homepage)

Espressofriend : http://www.espressofriend.com 100 tabs = THB 1,250.-

Quick Mill Professional 5000a (fully automatic) :

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 ?

As I could find in the manual this machine has no automatic cleaning program, but it is recommended to use cleaning tabs.

Page 5 in the manual (see attachment) :

"Reinigungsspülung

Durch Drücken der Taste (3) können Sie eine automatische Reinigungsspülung der

Maschine durchführen. Stellen Sie dazu die gewünschte Wassermenge mit dem Einstellrad

(10) ein (Empfehlung: 5-6 einstellen). Das Wasser stellt nach erfolgter Spülung automatisch

ab. Bei dieser Funktion kann vor dem drücken der Taste 3 eine Entfettungstablette in den

Brühzylinder eingelegt werden."

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 and why does QuickMill / Thailand don´t offer them ?

Posssibly because this is Thailand and the water differs here to that of Germany. Note he recomended filtered bottled water.

[Bagsida]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

Thx

Boncoffe : http://www.boncafe.co.th/en/product/awimac-cleaning-tablets/ Price ???

Aroma : http://aromaonline.aromathailand.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=cat_show_pro_detail&cid=38401&pid=160442 / Price ???

Coffeeworks : ??? (no offer on homepage)

Espressofriend : http://www.espressofriend.com 100 tabs = THB 1,250.-

Quick Mill Professional 5000a (fully automatic) :

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 ?

As I could find in the manual this machine has no automatic cleaning program, but it is recommended to use cleaning tabs.

Page 5 in the manual (see attachment) :

"Reinigungsspülung

Durch Drücken der Taste (3) können Sie eine automatische Reinigungsspülung der

Maschine durchführen. Stellen Sie dazu die gewünschte Wassermenge mit dem Einstellrad

(10) ein (Empfehlung: 5-6 einstellen). Das Wasser stellt nach erfolgter Spülung automatisch

ab. Bei dieser Funktion kann vor dem drücken der Taste 3 eine Entfettungstablette in den

Brühzylinder eingelegt werden."

What kind of cleaning tabs are recommended for that machine http://www.quickmill.it/MyIndex.php?Lang=ENG&Menu=Prodotto&id_prod=13 and why does QuickMill / Thailand don´t offer them ?

Posssibly because this is Thailand and the water differs here to that of Germany. Note he recomended filtered bottled water.

What about water (quality) now again ? Who recommended "filtered bottled water" and where ?

Yes - water (quality) differs, but that is the topic "descaling" - not cleaning - here and now we talk about cleaning !

Cleaning tabs are necessary for remove coffee oil and not limestone.

May be I am wrong, but why should the manufacturer "Quick Mill" give different cleaning advices for the same machine but different countries ?

You are "Quick Mill" dealer - correct ? What about show us the manual which is delivered which such a "Quick Mill" in Thailand ?

BTW (update) :

Cleaning tabs "Coffee clean" can buy from Bon Coffee / Phuket for THB 100.- (1 pack with 10 pcs.)

[Quickmill]

good to know you finally found the cleaning tablets.

By the way i think is not fair to discuss about the choices of other dealers, i believe they choose the best for their customers.

To avoid this thread to become a messy i suggest, for any information about Quick Mill products, to contact me directly.

Have a good week end.

[Bagsida]

A forum is for discussion and you joined this discussion with an alleged "alternative".

In fact you talked about descaling in a thread about cleaning - can happen.

Now I ask you factually what cleaning tablets listed in the Quick Mill user manual you are recommending, but you are evading only - not a good advertisement.

Sorry for my frank words, but in my eyes, you have no idea of this cleaning.

[Totster]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

Hey Quickmill,

No need to apologise, your post was informative and helpful. The OP has demonstrated his arrogance in this topic previously, please don't take it personal. I'm guessing he's german.

totster

[Bagsida]

Hi, my previous post was referred to a post of a member which was mentioning about boilers, so i guessed he was meaning about a descaling, i apologize if i create confusion but due to the title of the OT i thought i could even speak not only about "where to buy cleaning tablets with reasonable price".

The companies in Thailand which could sale such as tablets are Boncafe', Aroma, Coffeeworks these are just some that could be even in your living area.

We don't sale this product due to our fully auto has different features but anyway we use a cleaning product as well not any "alternative".

Hey Quickmill,

No need to apologise, your post was informative and helpful. The OP has demonstrated his arrogance in this topic previously, please don't take it personal. I'm guessing he's german.

totster

@ Quickmill :

Prima that you take my criticism sporty

But anyway Quick Mill recommends for the fully automatic coffee machines to use cleaning tabs aswell – the difference to other brands is only, that Quick Mill has only a semi automatic cleaning program, Jura, Saeco, Fagor, Bosch, Siemens etc. are providing a fully automatic cleaning and descaling program which calculates the cleaning / descaling cycles and informes the user when have to clean or descale

@totster

Yes, I am German and I prefer clear words – let me quess, you don´t like Germans and you are British …… no futher comments