Showbags Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Dark chocolate or cheese. Both are classified as medicine and therefore can be kept in the room, and eaten anytime, even after midday. Good idea if true, even if not. Is it Tipco that has the fresh-squeezed juice bars in the malls, including wheatgrass shots (good stuff!) Arrange for daily delivery for a week or two to his wat. . . Mall too far away. By the way...your Avatar...it should be in that thread I started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 The problem with the fruit juices is he does not like all the rubbish in them, any junk or manufactured foods like that, full of sugars and preservatives and very little goodness....so I did not want to get that stuff....wanted to get something different and wholesome. white brown rice ? Just remembered we have a health food shop in town, might go see what they have for him. Is he allowed honey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I would stick with your original idea of rye bread etc, He can enjoy it or not depending on how he feels about the matter but you still get the karma for having done your best to give a pleasing gift. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks Harry. Only thing with bread is he needs to eat it that day and seeing as they finish by what 11am isn't it, I might not make it there till around then. Might buy him a toaster as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 On all the days the dtumboon for departed relatives here my wife makes sure to buy some special farang food so that my departed relatives can have a good meal that they enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 By the way...your Avatar...it should be in that thread I started. First place I posted it. Tipco and that other brand fruit juices, 100% fruit, some nice mixes. Also have seen pure Kiwi juice and a Mango nectar, make a nice treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Lottery ticket.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyG Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 One monk I know (and yes, it's against the rules to ask for anything specific) asked me to bring him a KFC meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 I am going to get him as originally proposed rye bread...by the way the best bread I have ever tasted, rye multigrain fresh baked, swiss/german baker....outstanding, butter, jam, some goods from the health food shop, maybe a book if I can find something different and honey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 nickers. Male or female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Forgot to add shall include the dark chocolate and some gouda cheese.....although he is american....might get cheddar slices, individually wrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Cheese is a problem because of the heat. Even shrink wrapped rubish gets a horrible taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyG Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Forgot to add shall include the dark chocolate and some gouda cheese.....although he is american....might get cheddar slices, individually wrapped. Both chocolate (which must be non-dairy) and cheese are considered medicines. You should check. I believe they are only allowed when the monk is weak or debilitated. They can, however, be taken after noon (as can clear fruit juice). To be honest, though I understand you are trying to be kind, I think you're completely barking up the wrong trees. The monk has chosen to live a life of abstinence. He doesn't seek the pleasures of food, however good. Many monks will take what is given to them in their alms bowl and stir it up into a slop specifically because they don't want to take pleasure from it. And how would you feel if that's what happened to the expensive food you are planning to offer? And are you aware that monks are not allowed to keep food overnight? Anything that isn't consumed by midday has to be given away to local poor people or otherwise disposed of. (An exception is made for things such as juice in cartons, dried rice - but for nothing resembling fresh food.) Food and drink are also shared communally. Do you think temple boys will appreciate chocolate and cheese? Far better (in my opinion) to stick to simple things like fruit juice and toiletries. These will genuinely be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somchaimaidai Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Half decent disable razors and some foam. Some of my staff have spent time in the monkhood and everyone always gives those terrible bic orange razors and no foam. A monk is not supposed to derive pleasure from foodstuffs but the 'pleasure' from not carving yourself whilst shaving must be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somchaimaidai Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Half decent disable razors and some foam. Some of my staff have spent time in the monkhood and everyone always gives those terrible bic orange razors and no foam. A monk is not supposed to derive pleasure from foodstuffs but the 'pleasure' from not carving yourself whilst shaving must be worth it.disposable (typo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Crikey.....might just by him a paper then. Tell me why food is so bad for monks, I mean seriously, why is the pleasure of tasting what is given...supposedly, if you believe in it....by god to enjoy. Also why no seeded fruit ? Whats the logic here ? Seriously any wonder why I spent my catholic days in school carving my name and I love Debbie in the seats and then ditched it altogether first chance I got at circa 10/11yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyG Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Monks are supposed to be role models for the community. The community supports them by bringing them food, and in return expects individuals who are beyond reproach. The restrictions upon seeded fruit are twofold. One is that the monks would need to pick the seeds out of their teeth (not polite). Two is that if the seeds could grow, then the monk would be taking away life. As for "pleasure of tasting", monks are working to be beyond earthly pleasures; they are working towards complete "non attachment" - a state where they are impervious to the desires of this world. Oh, and Buddhism has no "god". The Buddha, when asked if there were a god said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "it doesn't matter - you will never know whether there's a god or not - just live a good life". The logic here is alien to people brought up in an atavistic western society, but it does have its own internal logic. And let me repeat: clear fruit juice, toiletries. That's what will really be appreciated. Possibly along with a few paracetamol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 What about the taking away of life of all the other food eaten ? Rice grains can grow ? Thanks for the info by the way. I was also thinking medicines, tiger balm etc to relieve the aches n pains of sitting like that all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyG Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm not an expert in this area. I just have a bit of experience from trying to respect local beliefs and traditions and wanting to support the local clergy. I can't give you all the answers you want. Anyway, trying to do my best, rice grains aren't seen as seeds. Logical? Possibly not. Giving a bag of rice as alms is pretty standard. Plenty of temples have them stacked up at the entrance for you to buy, then give as alms. No issues there as far as I know. To be honest I really feel sorry for you trying to do what is right but having to deal with some pretty arcane local traditions. Anyway, to the best of my knowledge you'll probably be OK with medicines, Tiger balm and the like. Monks pretty much get used to sitting in uncomfortable positions, but Tiger Balm is a cure for a whole lots of problems so should be pretty useful. And even if you don't get it right, the monastic community can still give your offerings to local people. From a Buddhist perspective you'll still earn spiritual merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm not an expert in this area. I just have a bit of experience from trying to respect local beliefs and traditions and wanting to support the local clergy. I can't give you all the answers you want. Anyway, trying to do my best, rice grains aren't seen as seeds. Logical? Possibly not. Giving a bag of rice as alms is pretty standard. Plenty of temples have them stacked up at the entrance for you to buy, then give as alms. No issues there as far as I know. To be honest I really feel sorry for you trying to do what is right but having to deal with some pretty arcane local traditions. Anyway, to the best of my knowledge you'll probably be OK with medicines, Tiger balm and the like. Monks pretty much get used to sitting in uncomfortable positions, but Tiger Balm is a cure for a whole lots of problems so should be pretty useful. And even if you don't get it right, the monastic community can still give your offerings to local people. From a Buddhist perspective you'll still earn spiritual merit. http://www.londonbuddhistvihara.org/qa/qa_practices.htm May show that your restrictions may be considered a little extreme here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Not doing it for merit...not sure why really, just want to go and have a chat with him as he is something different and feel I should take something to not look like a stingy prick.....but don't want to take the normal stuff...I like to be different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyG Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm not an expert in this area. I just have a bit of experience from trying to respect local beliefs and traditions and wanting to support the local clergy. I can't give you all the answers you want. Anyway, trying to do my best, rice grains aren't seen as seeds. Logical? Possibly not. Giving a bag of rice as alms is pretty standard. Plenty of temples have them stacked up at the entrance for you to buy, then give as alms. No issues there as far as I know. To be honest I really feel sorry for you trying to do what is right but having to deal with some pretty arcane local traditions. Anyway, to the best of my knowledge you'll probably be OK with medicines, Tiger balm and the like. Monks pretty much get used to sitting in uncomfortable positions, but Tiger Balm is a cure for a whole lots of problems so should be pretty useful. And even if you don't get it right, the monastic community can still give your offerings to local people. From a Buddhist perspective you'll still earn spiritual merit. http://www.londonbuddhistvihara.org/qa/qa_practices.htm May show that your restrictions may be considered a little extreme here. My comments are based upon my experiences supporting the Sangha here in Thailand. I'm not really sure how relevant the local practices of a community in London are. Of course, if the original poster is asking about a monk in London, then I deeply apologise - I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saakura Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 If he has been a monk for 30+ years as you say, he would not be interested in any material things and he should be getting sufficient food to survive. Why the need to take him any presents? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 They all have phones, maybe some phone credit or a Intl calling card so he can speak with family ? Stamps, so he can send little packages to family & friends abroad, I presume he has email. But then again, he prob has a iphone with Line & Skype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) I'm not an expert in this area. I just have a bit of experience from trying to respect local beliefs and traditions and wanting to support the local clergy. I can't give you all the answers you want. Anyway, trying to do my best, rice grains aren't seen as seeds. Logical? Possibly not. Giving a bag of rice as alms is pretty standard. Plenty of temples have them stacked up at the entrance for you to buy, then give as alms. No issues there as far as I know. To be honest I really feel sorry for you trying to do what is right but having to deal with some pretty arcane local traditions. Anyway, to the best of my knowledge you'll probably be OK with medicines, Tiger balm and the like. Monks pretty much get used to sitting in uncomfortable positions, but Tiger Balm is a cure for a whole lots of problems so should be pretty useful. And even if you don't get it right, the monastic community can still give your offerings to local people. From a Buddhist perspective you'll still earn spiritual merit. http://www.londonbuddhistvihara.org/qa/qa_practices.htm May show that your restrictions may be considered a little extreme here. My comments are based upon my experiences supporting the Sangha here in Thailand. I'm not really sure how relevant the local practices of a community in London are. Of course, if the original poster is asking about a monk in London, then I deeply apologise - I missed that. Sorry I missed that you were the one who set the rules for all rather than letting each find his own path. I will have to remember next time. Edited January 26, 2014 by harrry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Try something different! Build this to your heart's content and present it with pleasure to the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Some more trolling nonsense posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showbags Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 If he has been a monk for 30+ years as you say, he would not be interested in any material things and he should be getting sufficient food to survive. Why the need to take him any presents? Cos I thought its the done thing....everyone else does, maybe I should be different and turn up with just me for company and a chat. Plus the Thai lady I know that goes to see him takes Starbucks and she has been doing it for awhile....so can't be all bad....not coffee, cheesecake I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Try something different! Build this to your heart's content and present it with pleasure to the man. And what use would this be for a person who only has his robes and a rice bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Trolling nonsense posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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