Does anyone know if the 7-11 payment cards are RFID or NFC?

[happysanook]

You know those little debit cards for 7-11. Are they RFID, NFC, or neither?

[JakeBKK]

NFC - you can copy the idnr into your cell. get yourself a rabbit card (bangkok BTS) it works in various outlets and has no wicked fees. i'll top up now and then 1k thb use it on the skytrain, pay burgers and other stuff. you can clone the nfc with your cell and pay with your mobile. easy peasy.

[happysanook]

I'm in the countryside and need to test NFC functionality. The only place I could think of to get them is 7-11, but wasn't sure if they were NFC or not. I just need to see if it detects them, don't actually need any functionality, so if it's NFC that should work out for my purposes. Does your phone detect the 7-11 cards?

[JakeBKK]

Do you have an NFC enabled handset? it's way more easy to start from that point. you than can install a test app on your phone, that should do it. 7/11 works within a central DB , and on top of that with a custom challenge / auth. so you can 't peek there. you can hit mac donalds upcountry, they have nfc terminals as well.

You will need some gadgets for your computer to get this done. bring a nfc card to a terminal which do not understand it does not seem helpful to me, sorry about that.

[happysanook]

Do you have an NFC enabled handset? it's way more easy to start from that point. you than can install a test app on your phone, that should do it. 7/11 works within a central DB , and on top of that with a custom challenge / auth. so you can 't peek there. you can hit mac donalds upcountry, they have nfc terminals as well.

You will need some gadgets for your computer to get this done. bring a nfc card to a terminal which do not understand it does not seem helpful to me, sorry about that.

Yes, it's NFC enabled. I need to test it with a firmware upgrade.

The apk from Play tests whether I have NFC on and whether it's enabled, but doesn't actually test if it's able to communicate with other gadgets/tags. I need another NFC enabled gadget / tag / card to test it. I'm not trying to get anything accomplished other then confirming if my phone can see them.

[JakeBKK]

should be working. it should give you at least "unknown" The guys at 7/11 do also sell visa debit cards with NFC. These cards do have nfc and 7/11 functions build in and work as well as debit card. (249THB) so you can test and use the card later on.

Jake

[Crossy]

I'm 99% sure the Thai Smart Card is ISO14443 Type A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_14443 , so it's not RFID or NFC, however your NFC phone may well be able to read the UID from the card.

It was installed by Scheidt and Bachmann and I believe is based upon a MiFare Classic platform with a custom card OS and security.

There are a couple of NFC pilot projects in operation, including a non-transit payment scheme, but it's by no means common as yet.

By the way, the contactless Visa (Paywave) and Mastercard (PayPass) cards are not NFC either, they are Contactless EMV.

[LoganSethWebb]

Similar question, once ApplePay is released in the US, and I add my US credit card to Passbook, will I be able to use ApplePay at 7-11's in Thailand? If the terminals are indeed NFC and the bank in the States is compatible with ApplePay, it seems like it should. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts as to why it wouldn't.

Thanks.

[Crossy]

Highly unlikely that ApplePay is going to work outside the US unless it's affiliated with VISA / MasterCard who are just rolling out PayWave / PayPass here.

It certainly won't work on the Thai SmartCard readers in 7

[Maramook]

so is Smart Purse card of 7-11 NFC or something else?

[RichCor]

so is Smart Purse card of 7-11 NFC or something else?

The "Internet" says the Smart Purse cards are EMV card iso7816, and the recommended reader should comply with ISO7816-1,2,3 T=1 and T=0 protocol.

[Maramook]

Does anybody know if "Kasikorn 7-11 visa (smart purse)" debit card NFC or what?

[Crossy]

Does anybody know if "Kasikorn 7-11 visa (smart purse)" debit card NFC or what?

Any card associated with banking services will be EMV (ISO 7816) for the contact interface and ISO 14443 for contactless (PayPass, PayWave, ExpressPay).

Neither is NFC which is ISO 18092 which is itself very similar to the Sony FeliCa smartcard interface, so if you have a FeliCa (JIS: X6319-4 sometimes known as "Type-C") reader and the right software it will likely read NFC.

All are heavily encrypted with either 3-DES or AEC.

[LoganSethWebb]

Highly unlikely that ApplePay is going to work outside the US unless it's affiliated with VISA / MasterCard who are just rolling out PayWave / PayPass here.

It certainly won't work on the Thai SmartCard readers in 7

So now that Apple Pay has been out awhile and we know it works outside of the host country, i.e. a US card can work in Thailand (see this video using it in a McDonalds in BKK), what are everyone's thoughts on the terminals at 7-11? Can someone who has an Apple Pay enabled card and an iPhone try it out? I am currently stateside, otherwise I would.

Cheers!