Protest leader shot dead, 10 hurt in melee with reds outside Bang Na polling station

[Nip]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

A man has been murdered and this is the type of vile, abusive post you make.

Howzat it makes me wonder what you do with the limited source of your acumen?

[howzat]

Don't worry about me mate. You keep taking the tablets. I am all things to all men ha!

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[Nip]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked or simply unlucky small-scale alleged retailers (and the children, friends, and relatives who happened to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time) -- plus the reign of terror his bought-and-paid-for Black Shirts unleashed upon Bangkok in April-May 2010, it should be obvious to the dopey farang running-dogs-of-the-Reds that REMOVING THAKSIN FROM POLITICS IS A NECESSARY, THOUGH NOT SUFFICIENT, PRECONDITION FOR DEMOCRACY. That is to say, for all those fools who, astonishingly -- against all the evidence -- try to portray the violent, megalomaniacal Thaksin as some great hero of democracy, here's a clue: You will never see democracy again in Thailand if that blood-on-his-hands fugitive were ever allowed to return to this country and entrench his power. Thaksin stated on many occasions prior to the Sept. 2006 coup that democracy was not his goal; he wanted to run Thailand like a CEO; that is, like a big boss whose word is law. He wanted to discipline Thai society, like the angry, tunnel-visioned cop he was trained to be. Thaksin set as an objective to dis-empower the poor by cultivating their dependence on his financial largesse (acquired not by Steve Jobs-like entrepreneurial hard work but instead through paying kickbacks to get contracts to computerize the "police" force in the 1980s). Simply sitting back and allowing Thaksin to win this decades-long struggle -- let alone to help him in his cause by incessantly circulating propaganda, like stupid running-dogs -- would mean the utter impossibility of democracy ever reappearing for a generation or more, and the ruination of the Thai economy through wild, hare-brained schemes like the rice-pledging scam. In opposition, using occasionally non-democratic (but also, normally, non-violent) methods to prevent Thaksin's gluttonous lust for power from being realized is a small price to pay considering the alternative would be that Thaksin would crush all hope of democracy for 30 years or more. Everyone with a brain, a capacity for reason, and a willingness to study Thailand objectively -- not letting their own shame at being born into a lower class in some farang country where class prejudice is so strong that it distorts mental judgment and makes the self-loathing farang burn with envy and rage -- understands all of this to be demonstrably true. The formula is simple: Thaksin winning = no democracy for decades. Thaksin losing = a ray of hope that democracy can take root, though it will take a long, long time to undo all the damage that the power-mad man-in-the-sand and his mindless mobs of red- and black-shirted goons have caused to the political culture.

Very well said.

I agree wholeheartedly as well

Well said. An excellent and accurate appraisal. Education and Empathy beget Democracy. Incomprehension and Racism beget Autocracy....

[mojorison]

When you get involved in this type of thing, $hit happens.

[Nip]

Don't worry about me mate. You keep taking the tablets. I am all things to all men ha!

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That's obvious. All things to all men? What you selling?

[Scamper]

For those who went to a polling station to vote but were met with blockages - this is what you were voting for -

- a system where police sit for hours doing nothing while carnage is taken place under their very noses, who only show up hours later in order to make sure they don't accidentally intrude on the perpetrators, and then who go about looking officious and respectable, " collecting evidence " and making a quick trip to the post office to ship it express post to the Bermuda Triangle, while the perpetrators live to wreak terror again against unarmed citizens. A system where people would justify murder under these or any other circumstances, and a system so broken that the only justice delegated - is not by the police or by the courts - but by vigilante gangs who are allowed to operate with impunity against unarmed Thai citizens.

You weep for the right to uphold such a system, but you don't weep for murder.

[Tchooptip]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

A man has been murdered and this is the type of vile, abusive post you make.

Does the poster not have the right to express an opinion...

Yes, but when someone has been murdered you at least try to temper the hate.

Are you joking? Temper the hate ! Would be temper the pleasure

[Bluespunk]

Does the poster not have the right to express an opinion...

Yes, but when someone has been murdered you at least try to temper the hate.

Are you joking? Temper the hate ! Would be temper the pleasure

Only if you needed therapy. No one should celebrate the murder of another person.

[belg]

i laugh every time and switch channel asap, when they play on tv the song : ... love & unity .... yeah right

you can see how much unity there is in this me me me community

[metisdead]

A post containing overly derogatory comments toward Thais as well as being profane has been removed.

[speedtripler]

I thought, Police was supposed to be unarmed. This cop had a pistol.

It lie in the nature of this conflict that each side is blaming the other side for anything bad happening. Reading the online medias on this useless killing I do blame also to some extend the media on their bias. Depending the printed national- or international media or their online equivalent you only see quiet and well mannered demonstrators and aggressive pro-government members. On this occasion I must also hint at what I just found to make my point. The Malaysian printed paper The Star has a full page story on this event. Then on the same page a smaller picture of three anti-government protesters strangling a voter who was on his way to the ballot. The picture was shot by EPA. That picture of the voter being strangled you can't find on The Star Online page. That is what I mean being biased.

To me it seems that in today's time it is chique to be a demonstrator and are boooed supporting a government that the media is claiming to be corrupt (I must note that corruption is so wide spread not only in Thailand that I feel this argument only to "an argument with a hidden agenda". If the minority let's say 3 or even 5 million are demonstrating against YS, then it is still a minority compared to the over 10 million who voted for the last elected one. We should not fall prey to the current situation in Egypt. There, Morsi was elected by 15 million but around 21 million requested his departure.

If Suthep has the guts go an put yourself up to be elected. That is the basic of democracy. And just by arguing that there are more residents in the north than in the south and thus not giving you the chance to win shows me that he seems not only to be a bad politician but also has bad advisers. If anti-government protestors would have spend those millions of baht used for demonstrations in a well planed campaign they could also win the hearts and minds of northern people.

But Suthep has decided differently. He wants a full out conflict with the authorities. During those three months he so often assured something not to do just to find the next days that he exactly do that. Here on TV we could read the anti-government protesters promised NOT to disrupt elections. On Sunday we have being faced with the truth. That there will be violence was to be assumed. So who is now to be blamed for the death person?

As mentioned above I post some links and upload the picture in question:

The Star Online on the event: http://www.thestar.c...ders-shot-dead/

The picture by EPA (read the description): http://www.epa.eu/vi...IAGROUP_SCOPE=1

The Printed issue of The Star.

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<deleted> is the large rectangular thing down the front of the guys jeans in the 2nd pic ?

he looks like a shoplifter trying to steal a case of beer

[Bluespunk]

If people are going to deny fellow countrymen and women the right to vote then this is what they should expect, no sympathy for this traitor at all.

Why was he a traitor? Because one side in this mess says he is?

He may have been wrong in blocking voters [and I think he was wrong], but he did not deserve to die for it.

[Old Man River]

"A leader of the people", as in the foto title, is a misnomer. He was a leader of a neo fascist political party, advocating a non elected parliament, as a political model for thailand. He ended up as Mussolini, killed on the streets by the people

Utter nonsense. A man is murdered and all you can do is demonise him.

A man was killed and the death should be properly investigated and those found responsible prosecuted.

Lets be clear though that the circumstances surrounding his death are somewhat exceptional.

Here was a man that was trying to curtail peoples right to vote.

He was leading protesters whose only intention was to hinder and ultimately remove the majorities democratic rights.

PDRC must also share in the responsibility of this mans death

This infringement of the right to vote was bound to anger and frustrate, and, the resulting violence against those engaging in these anti democratic actions is hardly surprising.

These are rights that historically many have fought and died trying to secure.

Suthin Tharatin died tying to deny the people access to their Democratic rights.

What a waste.

Here was a man, Suthin Tharatin, who died trying to leave and was murdered before he could leave. It is a big poling area and the police where there. There is nothing different from this cold blooded murder than in any murder in any country. A murder is a murder,even if Chalerm warned about ex-judicial murders and some foreigners feel it is ok.

How do tourists and voters feel safe? What happened to the grenade throwers? Who have the Police arrested here?

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[tingtongteesood]

Strange how some TV posters keep refering to the protesters as violent thugs ... when they are the ones getting killed .......

And what of the four red shirts killed in Ramkamhaeng? Its tit for tat people with no end in site... Call off the soi dogs and let the people vote as is their constitutional right.

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Actually it was 3 reds who were killed after they killed a student. Funny how you conveniently forget the truth in your efforts to distort it....

[soi41]

"A leader of the people", as in the foto title, is a misnomer. He was a leader of a neo fascist political party, advocating a non elected parliament, as a political model for thailand. He ended up as Mussolini, killed on the streets by the people

Utter nonsense. A man is murdered and all you can do is demonise him.

A man was killed and the death should be properly investigated and those found responsible prosecuted.

Lets be clear though that the circumstances surrounding his death are somewhat exceptional.

Here was a man that was trying to curtail peoples right to vote.

He was leading protesters whose only intention was to hinder and ultimately remove the majorities democratic rights.

PDRC must also share in the responsibility of this mans death

This infringement of the right to vote was bound to anger and frustrate, and, the resulting violence against those engaging in these anti democratic actions is hardly surprising.

These are rights that historically many have fought and died trying to secure.

Suthin Tharatin died tying to deny the people access to their Democratic rights.

What a waste.

Here was a man, Suthin Tharatin, who died trying to leave and was murdered before he could leave. It is a big poling area and the police where there. There is nothing different from this cold blooded murder than in any murder in any country. A murder is a murder,even if Chalerm warned about ex-judicial murders and some foreigners feel it is ok.

How do tourists and voters feel safe? What happened to the grenade throwers? Who have the Police arrested here?

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"How can tourists and voters feel safe?"

I am sure that without Sutheps mob on the streets, both tourists and voters (and the average Bangkokian)

would feel a lot safer!!

Yes get the Shins out, but use the ballot-box to accomplish it!!

Strange how a hardcore member of the PAD, with their extreme ideologi, suddenly becomes a hero fighting for a cause, because he happened to stay in the way of a bullet?

Wonder if those idiots trying to block the voting, understand they are blocking their own right to vote for a couple of decades, under "the good peoples council"

Ofcourse they, silly me!

[captspectre]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

A man has been murdered and this is the type of vile, abusive post you make.

I don't see anything wrong with the above post, you mess with the bull, you get the horn plaiun and simple. do you think that you can push normal people every day without consequences? especially keeping them from exercising their RIGHT to vote? in your dreams.

[Bluespunk]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

A man has been murdered and this is the type of vile, abusive post you make.

I don't see anything wrong with the above post, you mess with the bull, you get the horn plaiun and simple. do you think that you can push normal people every day without consequences? especially keeping them from exercising their RIGHT to vote? in your dreams.

Murder is not the answer. Justifying murder is contemptible. Abusive, inaccurate, bigoted generalisations and insults don't help either.

There is nothing plain or simple about murder and whatever this man did it did not give anyone the right to take his life.

[Ulic]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked or simply unlucky small-scale alleged retailers (and the children, friends, and relatives who happened to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time) -- plus the reign of terror his bought-and-paid-for Black Shirts unleashed upon Bangkok in April-May 2010, it should be obvious to the dopey farang running-dogs-of-the-Reds that REMOVING THAKSIN FROM POLITICS IS A NECESSARY, THOUGH NOT SUFFICIENT, PRECONDITION FOR DEMOCRACY. That is to say, for all those fools who, astonishingly -- against all the evidence -- try to portray the violent, megalomaniacal Thaksin as some great hero of democracy, here's a clue: You will never see democracy again in Thailand if that blood-on-his-hands fugitive were ever allowed to return to this country and entrench his power. Thaksin stated on many occasions prior to the Sept. 2006 coup that democracy was not his goal; he wanted to run Thailand like a CEO; that is, like a big boss whose word is law. He wanted to discipline Thai society, like the angry, tunnel-visioned cop he was trained to be. Thaksin set as an objective to dis-empower the poor by cultivating their dependence on his financial largesse (acquired not by Steve Jobs-like entrepreneurial hard work but instead through paying kickbacks to get contracts to computerize the "police" force in the 1980s). Simply sitting back and allowing Thaksin to win this decades-long struggle -- let alone to help him in his cause by incessantly circulating propaganda, like stupid running-dogs -- would mean the utter impossibility of democracy ever reappearing for a generation or more, and the ruination of the Thai economy through wild, hare-brained schemes like the rice-pledging scam. In opposition, using occasionally non-democratic (but also, normally, non-violent) methods to prevent Thaksin's gluttonous lust for power from being realized is a small price to pay considering the alternative would be that Thaksin would crush all hope of democracy for 30 years or more. Everyone with a brain, a capacity for reason, and a willingness to study Thailand objectively -- not letting their own shame at being born into a lower class in some farang country where class prejudice is so strong that it distorts mental judgment and makes the self-loathing farang burn with envy and rage -- understands all of this to be demonstrably true. The formula is simple: Thaksin winning = no democracy for decades. Thaksin losing = a ray of hope that democracy can take root, though it will take a long, long time to undo all the damage that the power-mad man-in-the-sand and his mindless mobs of red- and black-shirted goons have caused to the political culture.

The funny thing is you can also replace Suthep's name for Thaksin and have the article remain pretty much the same.

Both are crooks interested in power so they can line there pockets. There is no hope with either of these two guys.

Neither have the moral or ethical high ground. But better to work in the framework of democracy and not a fascist state.

[northernjohn]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked....

You removed Thaksin in 2006, you had a coup, you 'reformed' the constitution. Then you rewrote history to make your actions looks good. The technical term is cognitive dissonance. It's a mental process that creates a false picture in your head to make you believe you are the good guys so you can live with your bad choices.

So even as you're ripping down democracy, corrupting the bodies of state, the Electoral process, the Judiciary, the government, even as you're destroying the economy, closing schools, turning Thailand back into a third world country. Even then, your cognitive dissonance makes you think you are the good guys.

And to drown out opposing voices you do your chants, 'ear medicine', 'fugitive in Dubai', 'out shopping', the same droning chant used by cults like the moonies to indoctrinate their believers. Over and over and over again until you can no longer rationally reason for yourself.

cognitive dissonance

Thank you for giving us a name for your disorder. I will now read your posts with a better understanding of the reason behind them.

[northernjohn]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked or simply unlucky small-scale alleged retailers (and the children, friends, and relatives who happened to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time) -- plus the reign of terror his bought-and-paid-for Black Shirts unleashed upon Bangkok in April-May 2010, it should be obvious to the dopey farang running-dogs-of-the-Reds that REMOVING THAKSIN FROM POLITICS IS A NECESSARY, THOUGH NOT SUFFICIENT, PRECONDITION FOR DEMOCRACY. That is to say, for all those fools who, astonishingly -- against all the evidence -- try to portray the violent, megalomaniacal Thaksin as some great hero of democracy, here's a clue: You will never see democracy again in Thailand if that blood-on-his-hands fugitive were ever allowed to return to this country and entrench his power. Thaksin stated on many occasions prior to the Sept. 2006 coup that democracy was not his goal; he wanted to run Thailand like a CEO; that is, like a big boss whose word is law. He wanted to discipline Thai society, like the angry, tunnel-visioned cop he was trained to be. Thaksin set as an objective to dis-empower the poor by cultivating their dependence on his financial largesse (acquired not by Steve Jobs-like entrepreneurial hard work but instead through paying kickbacks to get contracts to computerize the "police" force in the 1980s). Simply sitting back and allowing Thaksin to win this decades-long struggle -- let alone to help him in his cause by incessantly circulating propaganda, like stupid running-dogs -- would mean the utter impossibility of democracy ever reappearing for a generation or more, and the ruination of the Thai economy through wild, hare-brained schemes like the rice-pledging scam. In opposition, using occasionally non-democratic (but also, normally, non-violent) methods to prevent Thaksin's gluttonous lust for power from being realized is a small price to pay considering the alternative would be that Thaksin would crush all hope of democracy for 30 years or more. Everyone with a brain, a capacity for reason, and a willingness to study Thailand objectively -- not letting their own shame at being born into a lower class in some farang country where class prejudice is so strong that it distorts mental judgment and makes the self-loathing farang burn with envy and rage -- understands all of this to be demonstrably true. The formula is simple: Thaksin winning = no democracy for decades. Thaksin losing = a ray of hope that democracy can take root, though it will take a long, long time to undo all the damage that the power-mad man-in-the-sand and his mindless mobs of red- and black-shirted goons have caused to the political culture.

The funny thing is you can also replace Suthep's name for Thaksin and have the article remain pretty much the same.

Both are crooks interested in power so they can line there pockets. There is no hope with either of these two guys.

Neither have the moral or ethical high ground. But better to work in the framework of democracy and not a fascist state.

At least read the article before you reply to it.

Also take a look at What Suthep is proposing to do all of it not just the part you can take out of context and make him look bad with.

[gemini81]

There are leaders, who stand in the face of danger and actually lead, and cowardly despots who make commands via skype from Dubai to keep their heads from getting chopped off for all the bad things they have done.

[LarryBird]

What's interesting to me, is that Thaksin is 'bad' is basically taken as an Axiom..

Avoiding paying taxes is a VERY Thai/Asian thing. I seriously doubt the killings in the war on drugs drew much attention from Thais. I wasn't here during that, so I can't comment. Sure, I see this as a very serious offense, but did Thais? Or is this simply ammunition they use to attack him.

Or, did he simply play the corruption game different than the others?

[sonar6ca]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

[shiok]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked or simply unlucky small-scale alleged retailers (and the children, friends, and relatives who happened to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time) -- plus the reign of terror his bought-and-paid-for Black Shirts unleashed upon Bangkok in April-May 2010, it should be obvious to the dopey farang running-dogs-of-the-Reds that REMOVING THAKSIN FROM POLITICS IS A NECESSARY, THOUGH NOT SUFFICIENT, PRECONDITION FOR DEMOCRACY. That is to say, for all those fools who, astonishingly -- against all the evidence -- try to portray the violent, megalomaniacal Thaksin as some great hero of democracy, here's a clue: You will never see democracy again in Thailand if that blood-on-his-hands fugitive were ever allowed to return to this country and entrench his power. Thaksin stated on many occasions prior to the Sept. 2006 coup that democracy was not his goal; he wanted to run Thailand like a CEO; that is, like a big boss whose word is law. He wanted to discipline Thai society, like the angry, tunnel-visioned cop he was trained to be. Thaksin set as an objective to dis-empower the poor by cultivating their dependence on his financial largesse (acquired not by Steve Jobs-like entrepreneurial hard work but instead through paying kickbacks to get contracts to computerize the "police" force in the 1980s). Simply sitting back and allowing Thaksin to win this decades-long struggle -- let alone to help him in his cause by incessantly circulating propaganda, like stupid running-dogs -- would mean the utter impossibility of democracy ever reappearing for a generation or more, and the ruination of the Thai economy through wild, hare-brained schemes like the rice-pledging scam. In opposition, using occasionally non-democratic (but also, normally, non-violent) methods to prevent Thaksin's gluttonous lust for power from being realized is a small price to pay considering the alternative would be that Thaksin would crush all hope of democracy for 30 years or more. Everyone with a brain, a capacity for reason, and a willingness to study Thailand objectively -- not letting their own shame at being born into a lower class in some farang country where class prejudice is so strong that it distorts mental judgment and makes the self-loathing farang burn with envy and rage -- understands all of this to be demonstrably true. The formula is simple: Thaksin winning = no democracy for decades. Thaksin losing = a ray of hope that democracy can take root, though it will take a long, long time to undo all the damage that the power-mad man-in-the-sand and his mindless mobs of red- and black-shirted goons have caused to the political culture.

Macrohistory we humbly salute you for summarizing why the Shin Regime MUST be crushed, it couldn't have been written better!!!

[sonar6ca]

Makes you wonder what sort of jobs these protesters have that allows them to take so much time off work. These violent thugs with half a brain(am being generous) probably don't even know what the protest is about but just use it as an excuse to create some some street cred. with their other half brained mates who have got nothing better to do to fill their boring days because they have limited intelligence to do something worthwhile like find a job.

I am sure that you with a fool size fuctionig brain have all the answers, with such marvel the question is:<deleted> are you doing here???

[Trouble]

Taking into consideration Thaksin's gleeful unleashing of the "police" in February 2003 to wantonly murder "drug dealers" -- that is, 2,500-or so suspected or accused or disliked or simply unlucky small-scale alleged retailers (and the children, friends, and relatives who happened to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time) -- plus the reign of terror his bought-and-paid-for Black Shirts unleashed upon Bangkok in April-May 2010, it should be obvious to the dopey farang running-dogs-of-the-Reds that REMOVING THAKSIN FROM POLITICS IS A NECESSARY, THOUGH NOT SUFFICIENT, PRECONDITION FOR DEMOCRACY. That is to say, for all those fools who, astonishingly -- against all the evidence -- try to portray the violent, megalomaniacal Thaksin as some great hero of democracy, here's a clue: You will never see democracy again in Thailand if that blood-on-his-hands fugitive were ever allowed to return to this country and entrench his power. Thaksin stated on many occasions prior to the Sept. 2006 coup that democracy was not his goal; he wanted to run Thailand like a CEO; that is, like a big boss whose word is law. He wanted to discipline Thai society, like the angry, tunnel-visioned cop he was trained to be. Thaksin set as an objective to dis-empower the poor by cultivating their dependence on his financial largesse (acquired not by Steve Jobs-like entrepreneurial hard work but instead through paying kickbacks to get contracts to computerize the "police" force in the 1980s). Simply sitting back and allowing Thaksin to win this decades-long struggle -- let alone to help him in his cause by incessantly circulating propaganda, like stupid running-dogs -- would mean the utter impossibility of democracy ever reappearing for a generation or more, and the ruination of the Thai economy through wild, hare-brained schemes like the rice-pledging scam. In opposition, using occasionally non-democratic (but also, normally, non-violent) methods to prevent Thaksin's gluttonous lust for power from being realized is a small price to pay considering the alternative would be that Thaksin would crush all hope of democracy for 30 years or more. Everyone with a brain, a capacity for reason, and a willingness to study Thailand objectively -- not letting their own shame at being born into a lower class in some farang country where class prejudice is so strong that it distorts mental judgment and makes the self-loathing farang burn with envy and rage -- understands all of this to be demonstrably true. The formula is simple: Thaksin winning = no democracy for decades. Thaksin losing = a ray of hope that democracy can take root, though it will take a long, long time to undo all the damage that the power-mad man-in-the-sand and his mindless mobs of red- and black-shirted goons have caused to the political culture.

Please tell us more about how you really feel. I guess everyone that might disagree with you is obviously without a brain or a capacity for reason, and in shame of there lower class birth. Really? That's the most idiotic reasoning I have heard in the debate to this point. Good going on that one.

[Loles]

AND WHAT DID THEY WAIT ???

If red shirts come to them they can lose only cause the reds are full aggressive and don't care at all to kill some-one.

Suthep is very brave. Brave to take his people die. What a braveness.

[Trouble]

"A leader of the people", as in the foto title, is a misnomer. He was a leader of a neo fascist political party, advocating a non elected parliament, as a political model for thailand. He ended up as Mussolini, killed on the streets by the people

Utter nonsense. A man is murdered and all you can do is demonise him.

Let me educate you comrade. The Thai constitution already has a non-elected house. This is part and parcel of the "separation of powers" a core, fundamental value, critical to any true democracy. You are confounding reality and without being judgemental either you lack the mental capacity to understand what is going on or you are knowingly spreading disinformation.

Suthep is a patriot trying to reform a pathological political system by appointing a committee akin to the "founding fathers" that wrote the original US Constitution that are not there to take away any voting power but to create a system where all Thais can work together, fairly, and under the rule of law. The biggest culprit and most despicable organisation in this mess is the RTP. This organisation needs to be completely disbanded and recreated under a new system. Sometimes, it is painful to cut the cancer out but in the long run it is what is best for the patient.

I do not agree with much of Suthep and co.'s tactics but I agree that something drastic has to be done for this very sick patient called Thailand. Perhaps your "non elected parliament "(sic) comment is referring to the people's council but this is merely a group of new "founding fathers" to create a Thailand free of corruption and get it on the road to a true functional democracy.

Lest you forget that the key leaders behind the Red Shirts are militant communists whose agenda is the farthest things from Democracy it can be. Details, details.

Does anybody with 3 or more brain cells really think that Red Policy is designed for and is acheiving any improvement in the lot of the rural farmers? I used to write ag policy as an NGO think tank. What Thai farmers needed was investment in SCHOOLS, TEACHERS, EXTENSION SERVICE, assistance and research to plant alternative crops such as drought resistant sweet sorghum which can be used as feed stock for sugar mills (currently there is global shortage of sugar), feed for animals and ethanol. When the price for rice is too low, the market is telling you that you are producing too much. What imbecile can believe that making more of already too much rice is going to help things? Paying double market price? Of all these hundreds of billions of baht, where do you think the money went? Farmers rent price doubled, fertiliser price doubled, agrochem prices doubled and millers made a fortune down negotiating the official price due to "too much moisture" and other convenient excuses. SO this criminal program which enriched the rural elite and did NOT go into the farmer's pockets is supported by you in the name of some perverted form of "democracy"?

I don't like Suthep nor his methods but my despise for people claiming to help the rural poor while enriching the rural elite runs infinitely deeper.

You don't go anywhere far enough to create a free of corruption Thailand, Suthep is a patriot all right but a self serving corrupt one as well, comparing him your suggesting the founding fathers were all Royalists which could not be further from the truth, they sought to get away from the decadent and oppressive rule not serve, you forget the armed forces are as corrupt as the RTP and just as self serving as are many of the elite if not most, all the way to the peak.

You don't have a clue what hes there to do because there hasnt been any details other than to suspend peoples rights and your writing and use of words like "imbecile" and "lack of mental capacity" "3 brain cells" shows you to be nothing short of a few yourself if you think thats a manner acceptable in debate. Further more your post is totally one sided and falls short of condemning sutheps methods rather than just "disliking them" you must have gone a bit too native or choose to ignore the other part.

You vilify one part group yet omit the corruption of the other or the dynastic reality of the country for many generations and then use the slogan "founding fathers" im not American but would find that rather offensive to put a Royalist corrupt lying anti democratic piece of rubbish in the same light as the founding fathers... absolutely polar opposites.

Working as part of a think tank has nothing to do with the work of NGO and does not make you any more credible to mention it, it is merely a tool you have used and its called name dropping to impress, sorry but it dosnt.

I agree the farmers need proper usable and lasting solutions as they do a real leader from their own ranks unselfish to help them but it has nothing to do with installing a fascist regime and a return to more pre 1930s it will only make their lives even worse. The founding fathers would turn in their graves to read your comparisons. Suthep is not fit to kiss their feet.

Very well said.

[MGP]

Khun Suthin's daughter doesn't know that father has died, periodically asks for him. heart breaking

(from Twitter Wannasiri Sirivarna ‏@wannasiri_)

Edited January 27, 2014 by MGP

[Old Man River]

"A leader of the people", as in the foto title, is a misnomer. He was a leader of a neo fascist political party, advocating a non elected parliament, as a political model for thailand. He ended up as Mussolini, killed on the streets by the people

Utter nonsense. A man is murdered and all you can do is demonise him.

A man was killed and the death should be properly investigated and those found responsible prosecuted.

Lets be clear though that the circumstances surrounding his death are somewhat exceptional.

Here was a man that was trying to curtail peoples right to vote.

He was leading protesters whose only intention was to hinder and ultimately remove the majorities democratic rights.

PDRC must also share in the responsibility of this mans death

This infringement of the right to vote was bound to anger and frustrate, and, the resulting violence against those engaging in these anti democratic actions is hardly surprising.

These are rights that historically many have fought and died trying to secure.

Suthin Tharatin died tying to deny the people access to their Democratic rights.

What a waste.

Here was a man, Suthin Tharatin, who died trying to leave and was murdered before he could leave. It is a big poling area and the police where there. There is nothing different from this cold blooded murder than in any murder in any country. A murder is a murder,even if Chalerm warned about ex-judicial murders and some foreigners feel it is ok.

How do tourists and voters feel safe? What happened to the grenade throwers? Who have the Police arrested here?

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"How can tourists and voters feel safe?"

I am sure that without Sutheps mob on the streets, both tourists and voters (and the average Bangkokian)

would feel a lot safer!!

Yes get the Shins out, but use the ballot-box to accomplish it!!

Strange how a hardcore member of the PAD, with their extreme ideologi, suddenly becomes a hero fighting for a cause, because he happened to stay in the way of a bullet?

Wonder if those idiots trying to block the voting, understand they are blocking their own right to vote for a couple of decades, under "the good peoples council"

Ofcourse they, silly me!

I agree. They should get out of the streets and let the courts handle.

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