Pheu Thai threatens to sue EC over 'poll failure'

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Pheu Thai threatens to sue EC over 'poll failure'
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai Party is threatening to take the Election Commission to court for dereliction of duty if it refuses to hold ballots by March 4 at polling stations disrupted by protests during the election.

Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit said yesterday the party would help its candidates sue the EC for violating Article 20 of the EC Act by neglecting its duties.

He dismissed the EC's meeting today as unnecessary, as there was no conflict over the authority of the government and the EC to complete the voting. So there was no need for the government to seek a ruling from the Constitutional Court on whether the government must issue another royal decree for a new attempt to conduct voting for the 28 constituencies without any MP candidates, he said.

"The EC has the authority to conduct the election in the 28 constituencies but it is trying to pass the responsibility onto the government and the courts,'' he said.

Pheu Thai feared that if the government issued a new royal decree, it might face dissolution and the whole election might be invalidated, he said.

Caretaker Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan would not accept the EC's invitation to visit Songkhla because it may lead to confrontation or clashes between local and government officials, which the EC might cite to further delay the election, he said.


-- The Nation 2014-02-24

[Fryslan boppe]

The headline references a "Poll failure"....What "poll failure"...States a thing as if it is fact...More accurately would be to reference it as "an attempted poll failure" at the present time by you-know-who.

The PTP/RS/UDD and the electoral majority whose votes the Elites are trying to both nullify with their coup-mongering on the streets of BKK, and now to obstruct by not completing the election and tabulating the results, are up against many elements of that Oligarchy, if you will.

The Elitist rooted elements posing as independent entities, be they this EC or their user-friendly judiciary, are arrayed against the electoral majority.

So for the PTP to threaten to take the EC to court is like asking one group of Opposition sympathizers to rule on another one.

Good luck with that.

If one thinks this is disrespectful of lily-white Independent Agencies and non-politicized courts, one isn't aware of the history of these things which have led the Voters to charge them as noted above.

Finish the blankety-blank election and count the ballots for heavens sake........Refusal by one political entity or another to avoid this by lofty sounding rationale trying not to sound political, doesn't fly...Everyone knows the game and the players....

With the exception of agenized beholden individuals, who desperately want to believe the non-politicization as noted, and try straight-facedly to convince others of it.

The electoral majority and electables, aren't buying it for one minute. They see it as nothing else but an electoral minority trying to muscle its' way into unelected governance, no different than 2006.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[zakk9]

This shows one of the weaknesses of the Thai political system. Politicians and bureaucrats respect the law when it suits them and sue the opponent if they don't get it their way. There's no mutual respect, and this goes for all sides of the political landscape. Until this problem is fixed, Thailand will never have a functional democracy. A good first step would be to throw out all current politicians and replace them with people who represent and respect the people, not only themselves.

[Fryslan boppe]

"... A good first step would be to throw out all current politicians and replace them with people who represent and respect the people, not only themselves"

A very good encapsulation of the anti-democrat perspective. It is also true to the unelectable PAD-Dem agenda seeking to eliminate Electoral Democracy that produces these dastardly Politicians and prevents their goal of minority governance.

Agreement or otherwise, clearly establishes one's bonafides with respect to Democracy.

[givenall]

Go ahead make my day

[chainarong]

The interior Minister seems to be a little hesitant regarding visiting Songkhla, perhaps making policy and issuing orders from a far ,is safer than getting into the front line, however whilst a Shinawatra name walks the corridors of power, he will never be welcome down the South and the way it is panning out maybe in Thailand.

[zakk9]

"... A good first step would be to throw out all current politicians and replace them with people who represent and respect the people, not only themselves"

A very good encapsulation of the anti-democrat perspective. It is also true to the unelectable PAD-Dem agenda seeking to eliminate Electoral Democracy that produces these dastardly Politicians and prevents their goal of minority governance.

Agreement or otherwise, clearly establishes one's bonafides with respect to Democracy.

That has nothing to do with being anti-democrat. It has something to do with the fact that most politicians in Thailand became politicians to serve their own needs and fill their pockets, not to serve the people. These politicians would have been banned from being elected in most "civilised" countries, and although politicians in other parts of the world don't stand up to too much scrutiny either, most of those in Thailand have shown a stunning disregard for the well-being of the nation and its citizens.

While I don't think Suthep's ideas would work, I have no problem understanding the frustrations of his followers. The only way out of this is to develop the country in a way that increases the awareness of the people and their possibilities to make their own choices. That is happening already, although slowly, and the slow speed will continue as long as Thai politicians continue to throw money and resources out of the window, and as long as the education system isn't reformed. It's an interesting paradox that many of those protesting in Bangkok under Suthep's leadership are children of farmers in the provinces, children who managed to get an education, a well paid job in Bangkok and have become a part of the Bangkok middle class.

With a better education system, and better infrastructure nationwide, particularly in Isan, this effect will spread to provincial cities as well, increasing the standard of living for all, and most importantly: give people real choice and not just the option of receiving cash handouts from whoever is in charge of the country for the time being.

Edited February 24, 2014 by zakk9

[taony]

Thai government afraid to go somewhere in ..... THAILAND! nice.

[hellodolly]

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The headline references a "Poll failure"....What "poll failure"...States a thing as if it is fact...More accurately would be to reference it as "an attempted poll failure" at the present time by you-know-who.

The PTP/RS/UDD and the electoral majority whose votes the Elites are trying to both nullify with their coup-mongering on the streets of BKK, and now to obstruct by not completing the election and tabulating the results, are up against many elements of that Oligarchy, if you will.

The Elitist rooted elements posing as independent entities, be they this EC or their user-friendly judiciary, are arrayed against the electoral majority.

So for the PTP to threaten to take the EC to court is like asking one group of Opposition sympathizers to rule on another one.

Good luck with that.

If one thinks this is disrespectful of lily-white Independent Agencies and non-politicized courts, one isn't aware of the history of these things which have led the Voters to charge them as noted above.

Finish the blankety-blank election and count the ballots for heavens sake........Refusal by one political entity or another to avoid this by lofty sounding rationale trying not to sound political, doesn't fly...Everyone knows the game and the players....

With the exception of agenized beholden individuals, who desperately want to believe the non-politicization as noted, and try straight-facedly to convince others of it.

The electoral majority and electables, aren't buying it for one minute. They see it as nothing else but an electoral minority trying to muscle its' way into unelected governance, no different than 2006.

For crying out loud when are people going to learn. Thailand is a divided nation and no election under the present circumstances is going to bring it together.

The education system being what it is I can understand the red shirts believing that. How ever any one with a real education knows it will just continue if not intensify the situation. Reform is needed and not by a self serving clan. All levels of society must be let in on it.

[hellodolly]

"... A good first step would be to throw out all current politicians and replace them with people who represent and respect the people, not only themselves"

A very good encapsulation of the anti-democrat perspective. It is also true to the unelectable PAD-Dem agenda seeking to eliminate Electoral Democracy that produces these dastardly Politicians and prevents their goal of minority governance.

Agreement or otherwise, clearly establishes one's bonafides with respect to Democracy.

That has nothing to do with being anti-democrat. It has something to do with the fact that most politicians in Thailand became politicians to serve their own needs and fill their pockets, not to serve the people. These politicians would have been banned from being elected in most "civilised" countries, and although politicians in other parts of the world don't stand up to too much scrutiny either, most of those in Thailand have shown a stunning disregard for the well-being of the nation and its citizens.

While I don't think Suthep's ideas would work, I have no problem understanding the frustrations of his followers. The only way out of this is to develop the country in a way that increases the awareness of the people and their possibilities to make their own choices. That is happening already, although slowly, and the slow speed will continue as long as Thai politicians continue to throw money and resources out of the window, and as long as the education system isn't reformed. It's an interesting paradox that many of those protesting in Bangkok under Suthep's leadership are children of farmers in the provinces, children who managed to get an education, a well paid job in Bangkok and have become a part of the Bangkok middle class.

With a better education system, and better infrastructure nationwide, particularly in Isan, this effect will spread to provincial cities as well, increasing the standard of living for all, and most importantly: give people real choice and not just the option of receiving cash handouts from whoever is in charge of the country for the time being.

While I don't think Suthep's ideas would work,

Have you another idea that will help to solve the problem today or let it work it's self out over the next 20 30 years.

There will be a big problem setting up an intern government that is non political and bent only on fairly running the government while at the same time reforming it. But I for one believe Thailand has the people to do the job.

There of course would have to be a time limit for them to do the job and then call an election. One of the things and most important along with reforming the election process would be reforming the education process.

[zakk9]

That has nothing to do with being anti-democrat. It has something to do with the fact that most politicians in Thailand became politicians to serve their own needs and fill their pockets, not to serve the people. These politicians would have been banned from being elected in most "civilised" countries, and although politicians in other parts of the world don't stand up to too much scrutiny either, most of those in Thailand have shown a stunning disregard for the well-being of the nation and its citizens.

While I don't think Suthep's ideas would work, I have no problem understanding the frustrations of his followers. The only way out of this is to develop the country in a way that increases the awareness of the people and their possibilities to make their own choices. That is happening already, although slowly, and the slow speed will continue as long as Thai politicians continue to throw money and resources out of the window, and as long as the education system isn't reformed. It's an interesting paradox that many of those protesting in Bangkok under Suthep's leadership are children of farmers in the provinces, children who managed to get an education, a well paid job in Bangkok and have become a part of the Bangkok middle class.

With a better education system, and better infrastructure nationwide, particularly in Isan, this effect will spread to provincial cities as well, increasing the standard of living for all, and most importantly: give people real choice and not just the option of receiving cash handouts from whoever is in charge of the country for the time being.

While I don't think Suthep's ideas would work,

Have you another idea that will help to solve the problem today or let it work it's self out over the next 20 30 years.

There will be a big problem setting up an intern government that is non political and bent only on fairly running the government while at the same time reforming it. But I for one believe Thailand has the people to do the job.

There of course would have to be a time limit for them to do the job and then call an election. One of the things and most important along with reforming the election process would be reforming the education process.

I agree that Thailand probably have the people to do the job, but most of them stay away from politics because they don't want to involve themselves in a system totally damaged by corruption, greed and incompetence. The biggest challenge is probably to find one uniting, unpolitical leader for such a process. What is very certain is that, as long as the current situation persists, any election will only lead back to square one: Whoever the winner is, the loser will take to the streets. This has been a recurring pattern for the last decade, and there's no indication whatsoever that the next election will break the rhythm.

[LevelHead]

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

[fish fingers]

Thailand is heading for some dark days, years of corruption are finally catching up… Thai Airways can no longer be supported, the thai rice disaster, a tourist industry reliant on strong demand.. what else, so many

[than]

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

Very interesting redlover, but don't blame other for the shame of YL and her government, a lot of agency warm her since a year that they are problem with her rice scheme, she not follow this advise.

Now 2007 constitution give more power to independent agency, this part of constitution was inspire by French and German constitution. It's a good thing for balance of power and not let a government make what it want without control.

In 1997 justice was totally control by government, and some crime under Taksin regime never punish ( TAK BAI massacre and KRUE SE mosque incident source ICJ), War of Drug (2500 extrajudicial execution, whose 1400 have not like with drug offence source HRW and ICJ).

[BlueNoseCodger]

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

Sounds very plausible. EC has said yesterday it expects to do the election by 30th March. I don't really expect them to do that, but I assume it's the current end date for their planning.

i.e. that gives them a window from 3rd March to the end of March to eject the elected PM, cancel elections, and put their own guy in.

Edited February 24, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[malzy]

Hi all

I dont post much on this board,and i havent been back to Thailand for about 6 years. but

try to keep up with Thai things.

Is it true that the leader of the yellow shirt anti government protesters etc is being charged with murder for what happenned

during the last lot of protests. And if this is correct, then to topple the government would be in his favor.

Cheers Malzy

[Scamper]

" Caretaker Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan would not accept the EC's invitation to visit Songkhla because it may lead to confrontation or clashes between local and government officials, which the EC might cite to further delay the election, he said. "

What a bunch of nonsense. Pheu Thai simply do not want to see what they do not want to see. Pheu Thai's suing threat against the EC is yet another unconstitutional tactic to strong-arm a constitutionally empowered institution - to do whatever they want them to do. Three days ago, Pheu Thai wanted to hold elections by March 30. Now, it's to have a full quorum - including 113 constituencies that were previously closed or only partially open, all advance polling, and all eight provinces that had no registered candidates or elections - in eight days ! Pheu Thai have come up with a new definition of madness. Throughout this whole drama, Pheu Thai have had their eyes blindfolded, refusing to see or discuss anything that contrasts with how they want things to be. Except - they keep changing their minds ! It's like a child who stamps on the floor demanding an ice-cream cone, is given one, and then demands pizza instead. Ladies and gentlemen, the new children of our day - Pheu Thai. The EC maintains - and has for weeks now - that the eight provinces without registered candidates need a new decree. As the EC is in authority to make such a recommendation, it is Pheu Thai's responsibility to consider it. Not only does Pheu Thai do not, they dismiss the EC and the courts altogether. Like the child who stamps his feet, they are not in a mood to discuss anything.

But let's just breathe the cool air for a moment and imagine what it must be like for Prompong - " Yes. I have a vision. All constituencies throughout the country will be opened, even the eight provinces in the South. There is no problem here. All these Southern provinces have to do is ...

1. Arrange registration of candidates.

2. Allow the candidates to campaign.

3. Allow the advance elections to take place.

4. Allow the election proper to take place.

" Yes. Yes, I know we can achieve all of that in eight days. I just know we can. We are Pheu Thai, after all. Nothing gets in our way. The EC doesn't get in our way. The NACC doesn't get in our way. The Criminal Court doesn't get in our way. The Civil Court doesn't get in our way. The Constitutional Court doesn't get in our way. The election laws do not get in our way. And certainly the constitution doesn't get in our way. How could it not work ? "

[than]

The only way for me, is to dissolve PT and Democrat Party banned their leader for 5 year, only small party contest for new election and make reform without intervention from the two major party .

[BlueNoseCodger]

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

Very interesting redlover, but don't blame other for the shame of YL and her government, a lot of agency warm her since a year that they are problem with her rice scheme, she not follow this advise.

Now 2007 constitution give more power to independent agency, this part of constitution was inspire by French and German constitution. It's a good thing for balance of power and not let a government make what it want without control.

In 1997 justice was totally control by government, and some crime under Taksin regime never punish ( TAK BAI massacre and KRUE SE mosque incident source ICJ), War of Drug (2500 extrajudicial execution, whose 1400 have not like with drug offence source HRW and ICJ).

Replacing an elected government with an unelected government is not in French or German constitutions.

Tak Bai, idiot military packs people into back of truck, blaming Thaksin sounds like politics to me. Krue Se, military ignore orders, again, pure political posturing. War on Drugs, I'll give you that, that zero tolerance law was idiotic, and the endless shootouts at every minor drug bust was bad. A mistake not to be repeated, but the Dems have their own long list of mistakes and no government is perfect.

I don't see how we can sanction a judicial coup like OPs for the elected PM Yingluk!

[MaxLee]

Pheu Thai threatens to sue EC over 'poll failure'

Right, attacking an already weak coward organization in EC and make them their scapegoat slave, what an "honorable way" of cowardice. and Thaksin-DEMO-ocracy

Edited February 24, 2014 by MaxLee

[SICHONSTEVE]

The headline references a "Poll failure"....What "poll failure"...States a thing as if it is fact...More accurately would be to reference it as "an attempted poll failure" at the present time by you-know-who.

The PTP/RS/UDD and the electoral majority whose votes the Elites are trying to both nullify with their coup-mongering on the streets of BKK, and now to obstruct by not completing the election and tabulating the results, are up against many elements of that Oligarchy, if you will.

The Elitist rooted elements posing as independent entities, be they this EC or their user-friendly judiciary, are arrayed against the electoral majority.

So for the PTP to threaten to take the EC to court is like asking one group of Opposition sympathizers to rule on another one.

Good luck with that.

If one thinks this is disrespectful of lily-white Independent Agencies and non-politicized courts, one isn't aware of the history of these things which have led the Voters to charge them as noted above.

Finish the blankety-blank election and count the ballots for heavens sake........Refusal by one political entity or another to avoid this by lofty sounding rationale trying not to sound political, doesn't fly...Everyone knows the game and the players....

With the exception of agenized beholden individuals, who desperately want to believe the non-politicization as noted, and try straight-facedly to convince others of it.

The electoral majority and electables, aren't buying it for one minute. They see it as nothing else but an electoral minority trying to muscle its' way into unelected governance, no different than 2006.

Do you know what, I got one sentence in and saw that the posting was one of yours and I moved onto the next without bothering with the rest of it, that's how good they are!!

[Gweiloman]

The only way for me, is to dissolve PT and Democrat Party banned their leader for 5 year, only small party contest for new election and make reform without intervention from the two major party .

Your naivete and "simple" answer is quite cute, in a childlike sort of way.

[Siripon]

I believe senators stay in office even if their tenure is up until they have been replaced.

[sam sen]

thais love to threaten to sue each other. i cant remember any libel or slander case ever going through the courts.

i remember a thai lady in the UK had her visa extension rejected due to her bf stopping sponsoring her after their relationship broke down.

she was all over the papers saying she was going to sue the UK government for100 million baht. yea right.

thai's dont seem to understand how libel, slander or how the judicial system works and just come over as idiots.

[Siripon]

The rice investigation has been going on for over a year.

As chairwoman of the committee Yingluck must accept some respinsibility for the massive losses and enormous debts to the farmers.

Aside from the corruption which she oncce pledged to fight against.

[zakk9]

Replacing an elected government with an unelected government is not in French or German constitutions.

Tak Bai, idiot military packs people into back of truck, blaming Thaksin sounds like politics to me. Krue Se, military ignore orders, again, pure political posturing. War on Drugs, I'll give you that, that zero tolerance law was idiotic, and the endless shootouts at every minor drug bust was bad. A mistake not to be repeated, but the Dems have their own long list of mistakes and no government is perfect.

I don't see how we can sanction a judicial coup like OPs for the elected PM Yingluk!

When Abhisit or Suthep are accused for wrongdoings, they must go to prison and be banned from politics. When Thaksin murders people by the thousands, it's "idiot military", "military ignore orders" and "law was idiotic". Do you know what? You are so funny. You should have your own TV-show

[than]

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

Very interesting redlover, but don't blame other for the shame of YL and her government, a lot of agency warm her since a year that they are problem with her rice scheme, she not follow this advise.

Now 2007 constitution give more power to independent agency, this part of constitution was inspire by French and German constitution. It's a good thing for balance of power and not let a government make what it want without control.

In 1997 justice was totally control by government, and some crime under Taksin regime never punish ( TAK BAI massacre and KRUE SE mosque incident source ICJ), War of Drug (2500 extrajudicial execution, whose 1400 have not like with drug offence source HRW and ICJ).

Replacing an elected government with an unelected government is not in French or German constitutions.

Tak Bai, idiot military packs people into back of truck, blaming Thaksin sounds like politics to me. Krue Se, military ignore orders, again, pure political posturing. War on Drugs, I'll give you that, that zero tolerance law was idiotic, and the endless shootouts at every minor drug bust was bad. A mistake not to be repeated, but the Dems have their own long list of mistakes and no government is perfect.

I don't see how we can sanction a judicial coup like OPs for the elected PM Yingluk!

I'm not speak about replace a government if you read the French constitution the government is not elected only the president is. The prime minister is nominee and not inevitably come from parliament The president can change of Prime minister like he want, and can government with decree without approval of parliament

but speak about all red criticized, the balance of power for them it's unacceptable that court investigate against government, but in all democratic country court can do this (Watergate, France have got a long list but the most one is HIV contaminated blood......long list of country.......).

For the different incident I cited, I just look you that none officials, security forces convicted in theses cases......

I remember you that now YL is not elected PM now she lose this statue when she dissolve parliament........

[than]

The only way for me, is to dissolve PT and Democrat Party banned their leader for 5 year, only small party contest for new election and make reform without intervention from the two major party .

Your naivete and "simple" answer is quite cute, in a childlike sort of way.

If you want the country go out of this spiral of bi party conflict is the only way

[Nickymaster]

The headline references a "Poll failure"....What "poll failure"...States a thing as if it is fact...More accurately would be to reference it as "an attempted poll failure" at the present time by you-know-who.

The PTP/RS/UDD and the electoral majority whose votes the Elites are trying to both nullify with their coup-mongering on the streets of BKK, and now to obstruct by not completing the election and tabulating the results, are up against many elements of that Oligarchy, if you will.

The Elitist rooted elements posing as independent entities, be they this EC or their user-friendly judiciary, are arrayed against the electoral majority.

So for the PTP to threaten to take the EC to court is like asking one group of Opposition sympathizers to rule on another one.

Good luck with that.

If one thinks this is disrespectful of lily-white Independent Agencies and non-politicized courts, one isn't aware of the history of these things which have led the Voters to charge them as noted above.

Finish the blankety-blank election and count the ballots for heavens sake........Refusal by one political entity or another to avoid this by lofty sounding rationale trying not to sound political, doesn't fly...Everyone knows the game and the players....

With the exception of agenized beholden individuals, who desperately want to believe the non-politicization as noted, and try straight-facedly to convince others of it.

The electoral majority and electables, aren't buying it for one minute. They see it as nothing else but an electoral minority trying to muscle its' way into unelected governance, no different than 2006.

You soooo love democracy (without accountability).. Anyhow elections are not needed at this point because the corrupt PT/Shins will be dissolved and banned again for their over the top corruption. They never learn it seems.

Reading your posts reminds me of Nick Nostitz. Always a lot of theoretical BS and always blaming the elites and the dems and never ever ONE critical word about the Shins/PT and their corrupt practices. It's just too obvious Boppe.

The Rice Scam is an easy one if you love democracy. Many have warned Yingluck, including the WTO, World bank and IMF. Let's wait what the NACC has to say. We all agree that somebody should take the blame for spending THB 910,000,000,000 (tax payers money) without releasing any figures since Yingluck took office. Oh yes I forget, those are secret deals and therefor no transparency is needed. Right?

Edited February 24, 2014 by Nickymaster

[Robby nz]

It is a major miracle the EC commissioners have stuck with it for so long what with all the abuse, threats and intimidation they have had to put up with.

But that could be the plan of course, attack them until they have had enough and resign, then replace them with someone who will do whatever they are told.

Good on the EC for sticking to their guns and going by the law, they are the ones who know election law and will be responsible if they break that law.

Except of course a couple of posters on here who are experts.

Definition of an expert : someone who has got to more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing.