Red shirts asked to stop promoting separatism: PM Yingluck

[Scamper]

Yingluck's reactions to this have been all too late. From Chalerm's and Surapong's incredulous and laughable denials, to yesterday's press announcement, the Yingluck administration has shown no leadership whatsoever. Only now, after the whole thing has backfired on them are they preparing to backtrack, but only to a degree. Yingluck and the administration still offer excuses for this inexcusable movement. Yingluck is now competing with Thida in the shallow department. To the public, they reach deaf ears. The public has had enough of this administration. Today, Article 7 is supposed to take effect. These press conferences are supposed to end, and Yingluck is supposed to be preparing her defense. But instead, we get these denials and shallow assurances, which have zero impact at this point. Her remark about supporting the army's prosecution of the secession movement is beyond hypocrisy. Just a few days ago, she' was admonishing them for the same thing. This amnesiac administration is failing a public who remembers all too clearly from one day to the next.

[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

[northernjohn]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

from that perspective they should be supporting (at least partialy) the anti-government reform calls as that's one of their main reform points - elect governors and more local governance

An excellent point.

Let' assume that by some fluke of nature the PTP did get a honest legal government.

They decided that the nation wanted reform but how.

They would probably hire Suthep for guidance into new territory for them.

[northernjohn]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

Are you feeling OK it was not there job to condemn things that are legal. That is the work of the police.

It is how ever there job to protect the nation from separatists and that is what the red shirts and PTP have been publicly heard to advocate. It took the Prime Minister 3 days to figure out it was wrong and even at that she had to drag in people like yourself to believe the army should be keeping an eye out for the PDRC. Even while the red shirts have unknowingly backed them with their demand for local government.

Sooner or later they are going to get their head cut off while it is still in the sand.

[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

Are you feeling OK it was not there job to condemn things that are legal. That is the work of the police.

It is how ever there job to protect the nation from separatists and that is what the red shirts and PTP have been publicly heard to advocate. It took the Prime Minister 3 days to figure out it was wrong and even at that she had to drag in people like yourself to believe the army should be keeping an eye out for the PDRC. Even while the red shirts have unknowingly backed them with their demand for local government.

Sooner or later they are going to get their head cut off while it is still in the sand.

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

Edited March 5, 2014 by icommunity

[rubl]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

Don't know what you are driving at. For peace, democratic system, reconciliation and the unifying of the Kingdom Of Thailand?

Edited March 5, 2014 by icommunity

[antimedia]

How the hell do you instruct the Army to do something they already have done. Bit slow on the uptake there Wendy.

[Dogmatix]

Didn't they deny this yesterday? I'm sure some of the Thai Rouge posters also tried to blame Suthep?

This little genie might not be so easy to put back in the bottle now.

The red shirt separatists' outright denials had way too many holes and any sort of condemnation has taken too long to believe their is any sincerity in it.

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I agree! By all rights YL should have charges laid against her as well for supporting this call to secession. She was in the north during this and not once spoke out to stop her parties call to seperate from thailand. As they say " if you are not with me you are against me"

YLs failure to speak out against the REDS call for secession shows she supported it. As with all the PTP lackeys not a single one including YL cared to try to stop this call until the Army put their foot down threatened them.

Now they are all trying to make excuses and denials and YL is still insinuating the Army is biased by not adding Sutheps protesters in their warning.

I really hope the general doesnt stop now as the PTP are proven liers and may still be secretly building an army and promoting this seperation from thailand.

Since YLs troubles began the North has continuously spoken out for YL to go there and conrol a gov there protected by their supporters.

Written between those invitations were and still are the first hints that if YL gets the boot here she can go there to control things

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The army top brass is well aware that the PRDL thing is just a call to arms cry by Thaksin. Unlike the Sultanate of Pattani in the South, Lanna is a made up place that never existed as an integral kingdom and doesn't include the Northeast. The red cannon fodder is not smart enough to figure out that the PRDL would collapse economically immediately, if it were ever dumb enough to see the light of day. Thaksin would want to mobilise a guerilla insurgency that was aimed at getting the whole thing, not just the North and Northeast and the army knows that.

Edited March 5, 2014 by Dogmatix

[rubl]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

Don't know what you are driving at. For peace, democratic system, reconciliation and the unifying of the Kingdom Of Thailand?

I thought you already told me I had the wrong attitude? Further more you publicly put me in the rubbish bin list?

Anyway I wonder how we can improve the relation with red-shirts who have been indoctrinated for years now in believing that Thaksin is their savious and ANY action is not only possible and allowed but even to be recommended in order to get rid of all those who think differently. Dr. weng calling for the 'eradication of the Democrats', Ms. Thida saying 'now it the time to wipe out the lasts of the reactionary'.

Of course if you think that's not confrontational, but perfectly normal, I fear your attitude doesn't help this Thailand.

[Dogmatix]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

Don't know what you are driving at. For peace, democratic system, reconciliation and the unifying of the Kingdom Of Thailand?

I thought you already told me I had the wrong attitude? Further more you publicly put me in the rubbish bin list?

Anyway I wonder how we can improve the relation with red-shirts who have been indoctrinated for years now in believing that Thaksin is their savious and ANY action is not only possible and allowed but even to be recommended in order to get rid of all those who think differently. Dr. weng calling for the 'eradication of the Democrats', Ms. Thida saying 'now it the time to wipe out the lasts of the reactionary'.

Of course if you think that's not confrontational, but perfectly normal, I fear your attitude doesn't help this Thailand.

Ya huh, you are in the rubbish bin list - forgotten about it.

You are still not offering any solution, except encouraging all sides to continue in their confrontational mode. BTW, what was wrong with Thaksin's policies during TRT's administration and now his fight for Thailand's democracy.

[JRSoul]

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

"the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand"

All of the above instigated and inflamed by misinformation and propaganda supplied by Thaksin's mercenary UDD (aka Ministry of Lies).

[davidstipek]

I don't think Yingluck has any interest in division by North/South anyway. She and Thaksin are far more interested in division by wealth, and imho Thaksin is part of the scene that wants to see the wealth division refined into just ruling-class and working-class worldwide, with the aspirational middle classes gradually eroded and pummelled down to join the unfortunate working-classes. None of the ultra-wealthy ruling-classes care about nation borders and the only time they are interested in splitting nations is when there is money to be made from it - which there isn't in Thailand. A fragmented Thailand would drown in higher corruption emanating from the new power centre/s, and would be weaker on many practical administrative levels too. It would be an expensive logistical nightmare, and would create new loopholes where money would go astray even worse than now.

Nightmare......?

[icommunity]

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

"the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand"

All of the above instigated and inflamed by misinformation and propaganda supplied by Thaksin's mercenary UDD (aka Ministry of Lies).

you don't have to accept all those feelings I mentioned exist if you want. I hope your confrontational and denying approach can bring peace, reconciliation and the unifying process of the kingdom of Thailand.

Send from my Mobile

[thesetat2013]

Perhaps YL can claim ignorance about her parties call to succession since she is ruling Thailand from her FB account she may not have heard the news that week.

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[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

The army practices double standard on the alleged and distorted issue of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy).

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

If you want to bring up the Southern separatist movement as example, I want to ask what is your solution to bring about peace and unity and why such movement came into existence in the first place. Has tanks, and fire power bring about peace. Don't forget the Southern problems is not just separatism. Do we want a confrontational approach to materialize a separatist movement in the North? My personal attitude and answer is No. Hope you can get that through many of my postings.

[kikoman]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

from that perspective they should be supporting (at least partialy) the anti-government reform calls as that's one of their main reform points - elect governors and more local governance

An excellent point.

Let' assume that by some fluke of nature the PTP did get a honest legal government.

They decided that the nation wanted reform but how.

They would probably hire Suthep for guidance into new territory for them.

Suthep has been part of the problem for 34 years as a member of the house, why did he not champion reform during those 34 years!

It may come as a shock to you, Suthep hasn't got a clue of what reform entails brand new territory for him also,

Ever heard that old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" applys here!

Cheers

[khunken]

icommunity

You accuse others of not wanting reconciliation (without proof) and confrontational. But your posts in this thread are so biased against the army, the Dems, the protestors, and anyone who doesn't support the red shirts & the PTP.

In other words - hypocrisy.

Many people would like to ask the red shirts in Chiang Mai (but would need a bazooka to defend themselves) why they don't allow any Thai supporting an opposite view to protest peacefully, sing at a concert or hold a gay parade, without resorting to intimidation and violence. Their attitude (which you seem to support) is that 'this is a Thaksin/red shirt town and anyone else should get out. A similar attitude exists in some of the other hard-line red areas such as Udon, Pathum Thani & Samut Prakarn.

It is absolutely idiotic to ask the Democrat party to appeal to these totally brainwashed & violent mobs, some of whom should have been arrested if Thailand had a half-decent police force. As previously said, the RTA will defend the country against secession - it is the police's job to administer the law fairly which the likes of CMPO & the DSI (& Thaksin) prevents.

[wvavin]

She is to me, just an idiot that do not know what she is talking about!

[rubl]

I thought you already told me I had the wrong attitude? Further more you publicly put me in the rubbish bin list?

Anyway I wonder how we can improve the relation with red-shirts who have been indoctrinated for years now in believing that Thaksin is their saviour and ANY action is not only possible and allowed but even to be recommended in order to get rid of all those who think differently. Dr. weng calling for the 'eradication of the Democrats', Ms. Thida saying 'now it the time to wipe out the lasts of the reactionary'.

Of course if you think that's not confrontational, but perfectly normal, I fear your attitude doesn't help this Thailand.

Ya huh, you are in the rubbish bin list - forgotten about it.

You are still not offering any solution, except encouraging all sides to continue in their confrontational mode. BTW, what was wrong with Thaksin's policies during TRT's administration and now his fight for Thailand's democracy.

My dear chap, apart from blaming the others, your posts are just as 'confrontational and misleading as you accuse others of.

BTW as for Thaksin's policies he benefited from a grobal economic boom and didn't need to do much apart from roaming of 'a wee bit' off the top. Some of those cases still await his return to be able to progress. Like the one where 2 billion Baht was loaned to the Myanmar government to buy Shinawatra satellite services. He started the '30 baht' medical scheme which was prepared by previous government(s), took all honour and promptly forgot to properly finance it.

As for Thaksin's fight for Thailands democracy, well he's supposed not to be involved isn't he? I mean his sister stated during the last censure debate "no one tells me, I'm in control". Mind you, even the blind could see that was a clear lie which already should have seen her and her brothers party disbanded for fraud and defrauding Thailand. Did you already figure out why the blanket amnesty bill suddenly had an extended coverage period, including brother's last two years and little sisters first two years in office?

As Thai sometimes say "Thaksin's fight for Thailand's democracy? 'my foot'"

[metisdead]

An inflammatory troll post has been removed as well as the replies. Another post containing a copyrighted has been removed.

[Crushdepth]

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

"the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand"

All of the above instigated and inflamed by misinformation and propaganda supplied by Thaksin's mercenary UDD (aka Ministry of Lies).

I thought he was referring to the south, or perhaps to one of the ethnic minorities in the border regions, or perhaps to the legions of migrant workers living on slave wages. That's where any discussion of discrimination should start.

[rametindallas]

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

"the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand"

All of the above instigated and inflamed by misinformation and propaganda supplied by Thaksin's mercenary UDD (aka Ministry of Lies).

you don't have to accept all those feelings I mentioned exist if you want. I hope your confrontational and denying approach can bring peace, reconciliation and the unifying process of the kingdom of Thailand.

Send from my Mobile

He's not saying the feelings don't exist. He's saying they're not based on reality; that they were planted, with malicious forethought, by Thaksin's UDD, which he created and funds, to spread the kind of propaganda you repeat on this forum.

[rametindallas]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

The army practices double standard on the alleged and distorted issue of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy).

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

If you want to bring up the Southern separatist movement as example, I want to ask what is your solution to bring about peace and unity and why such movement came into existence in the first place. Has tanks, and fire power bring about peace. Don't forget the Southern problems is not just separatism. Do we want a confrontational approach to materialize a separatist movement in the North? My personal attitude and answer is No. Hope you can get that through many of my postings.

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

This sounds like extortion to me. If you don't do 'take and understanding and tolerant approach', we will separate.

[icommunity]

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

The army practices double standard on the alleged and distorted issue of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy).

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

If you want to bring up the Southern separatist movement as example, I want to ask what is your solution to bring about peace and unity and why such movement came into existence in the first place. Has tanks, and fire power bring about peace. Don't forget the Southern problems is not just separatism. Do we want a confrontational approach to materialize a separatist movement in the North? My personal attitude and answer is No. Hope you can get that through many of my postings.

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

This sounds like extortion to me. If you don't do 'take and understanding and tolerant approach', we will separate.

I cannot stop you from thinking like that. Hope that attitude of yours can solve the the social, political and judicial divides of Thailand.

BTW, I did not say " If you don't do 'take and understanding and tolerant approach', we will separate" It sounds more like the contortionist attitude of the dem's pdrc/pcad.