Election Commission ready for new general election

[crapper3]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

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You say that both perties are corrupt, yet you fail to see that one of the parties are pushing for reforms before elections that will do away with corruption. While the other party has clearly stated it wants elections before the elections are made free and fair.

So what does that tell you?..... both parties are corrupt?

Surely not.

Putting Suthep anywhere near anti corruption is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. When in power Khun Suthep was probably the greatest corruptor of all time. He had to resign his Agricultural ministry portfolio in order to avoid empeachment. That says a lot for him does'nt it. It amazes me to see people in here that obviously do not know just how corrupt Suthep was when he had his snout in the ministerial trough.

And you need to take reading lessons.

Suthep is not mentioned in my post.

I am talking about political parties

PTP and the DEMs.

Suthep is not a political party or even part of one.

So next time read the full root of the conversation. we are clearly talking about the two rival parties.

Now don't you look silly???

[Thai at Heart]

"He said the caretaker government will have to shoulder Bt3.8 billion for the election since it was warned against holding the balloting on Feb 2 but insisted on going ahead with it."

Just slap it on the end of the rice tab, boys.

The government, or rather the taxpayers, have already paid for the damned thing. The ministers should be made to pay for it personally through immediate asset confiscations. Overseas banks should be asked to hand over any assets found overseas.

Whoever prevented the lastnone happening should foot the bill.

[diehard60]

Well here we go again. suthep and his gang of thugs will stop people again from voting. WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE IN BKK GOING TO WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT suthep IS DOING.

[diehard60]

I sincerely wonder why the EC would even say this when they are clearly not in control of anything? They will just be wasting the people's money if they allow protesters to disrupt the election process once more. Furthermore, the Constitutional Court has set a very bad precedent by saying the disruption in the 02 Feb 2014 election was null and void because the election could not be completed in one day. That means that any group - regardless of color could probably do the same thing - over and over ad nauseum...

I find this very hypocritical...

The courts should have suspended the government from governing until it has verdicts of the alleged crimes against the state. No elections would have been organized, no money wasted.

Prevention better than cure, TAKE note Yingluck, no mass wrongs you are still in government for your next 2 years. BUT you chose another path---YOUR problem not EC not Suthep. not the DEMS it was self inflicted.

HOW about arresting suthep for the outstanding warrents??????? So lets be fair OK????????????????????????

[Baerboxer]

I sincerely wonder why the EC would even say this when they are clearly not in control of anything? They will just be wasting the people's money if they allow protesters to disrupt the election process once more. Furthermore, the Constitutional Court has set a very bad precedent by saying the disruption in the 02 Feb 2014 election was null and void because the election could not be completed in one day. That means that any group - regardless of color could probably do the same thing - over and over ad nauseum...

I find this very hypocritical...

The courts should have suspended the government from governing until it has verdicts of the alleged crimes against the state. No elections would have been organized, no money wasted.

Prevention better than cure, TAKE note Yingluck, no mass wrongs you are still in government for your next 2 years. BUT you chose another path---YOUR problem not EC not Suthep. not the DEMS it was self inflicted.

HOW about arresting suthep for the outstanding warrents??????? So lets be fair OK????????????????????????

Yes. And how about extraditing convicted fugitives and ensuring they face any and all outstanding charges too.

Let's be really fair o.k ?

[gabruce]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

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So are you suggesting that all parties should be abolished or only the two major parties (Pheu Thai, and Democrat)?

[ginjag]

I sincerely wonder why the EC would even say this when they are clearly not in control of anything? They will just be wasting the people's money if they allow protesters to disrupt the election process once more. Furthermore, the Constitutional Court has set a very bad precedent by saying the disruption in the 02 Feb 2014 election was null and void because the election could not be completed in one day. That means that any group - regardless of color could probably do the same thing - over and over ad nauseum...

I find this very hypocritical...

The courts should have suspended the government from governing until it has verdicts of the alleged crimes against the state. No elections would have been organized, no money wasted.

Prevention better than cure, TAKE note Yingluck, no mass wrongs you are still in government for your next 2 years. BUT you chose another path---YOUR problem not EC not Suthep. not the DEMS it was self inflicted.

HOW about arresting suthep for the outstanding warrents??????? So lets be fair OK????????????????????????

Sorry but have you just woke up ?? I could agree on that, BUT first You have to arrest the government for ALL it's wrongs, then I see that is fair, don't you ????

No answer would be another in denial, straight answer without Dems -and election talk. 4topics today have the same basic problem and every answer has skirted round the wrong doings of the government---What is the problem with the government apologists.

You have skirted around the self inflicted problem. Why not want them removed---just out---if criminal then out----no election for another chance-

[ginjag]

Well here we go again. suthep and his gang of thugs will stop people again from voting. WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE IN BKK GOING TO WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT suthep IS DOING.

Wake up call for you ---follow the lost money, first things first, is that fair ????

[SICHONSTEVE]

If anyone thinks or believes that my hero Kuhn Suthep will allow another election before the reforms are put in place dream on cos it ain't goin happen!!!!

That's good to know. So the last 4 months have been for absolutely nothing..!!

Of course it has - didn't you know that!!

[The Dancer]

So the kangaroos declare the last elections null and void. I'll be curious what the thug Suthep and the Dem pretty boys do now. Face the electorate in the next elections and get their heads handed to them or find another way to screw the process. Ok, I'll make an educated guess.

[Ulic]

The EC were not able to organize safe venues to register candidates for the last election why would

anyone think these incompetent buffoons are able to do a better job for the next election.

Replace theses guys and move on.

[Brian Corrigan]

I take it that there will no time frame for the "NEW ELECTION" The "FIRST ELECTION" which had to be carried out, by law, within 30 days and was blocked by the Democrats will now be replaced with the "NEW ELECTION" which it seems can held at any time. Also the first election needed the caretaker Government to seek special permission,but it seems that the "NEW ELECTION" does not need any special permission. If the caretaker Government holds back a little on the "NEW ELECTION" and does nothing it could be that the caretaker Prime Minister will be asked to step down and her party disbanded and then there will be no need to waste money and no need for a "THIRD NEW ELECTION" What a joke this country is. There is more sense coming out the school play ground.

[gamini]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

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Actually, I think you are very wrong here.

The PDRC will definitely allow new elections. You fail to read 'between the lines' which is an essentially required skill when debating Thai politics.

The PDRC threat to disrupt a future election before reforms is a very strategic announcement. It sends out a message to Yingluck not to bully the EC in yet another snap election, by threatening to send it the same way as the last one.

They are demanding full national reforms, but of course with negotiations that would certainly be reduced to 'electoral reforms'. Why?... because they know that in a free and fair election, the Dems would stroll in based on the massive amount of voters that the PTP have lost (8 million almost).

The Dems will have a manifesto based on the national reforms which actually have many points that will extremely enhance the quality of politics and fairness for the entire country including the PTP stronghold, while the PTP won't be allowed to use their old tactics of 2011 to gain support. They will have to rely on nothing other than intelligent agendas, which will probably be laughed at nationwide seeing as ALL their past policies failed spectacularly with possible a trillion baht disappearing.

The EC will get the two side together, and do not be surprised if the PDRC downgrade their demands and settle for election overhaul to make them free of corruption. The ball will be in the PTP court to show their hand on whether they support or oppose free and fair elections. A tricky situation for them.

The Dems may even say that they will contest and if they win, oversee reforms and then dissolve parliament in two years time and hold fresh elections. I can't see the country rejecting that, and at least the reforms will be devoid of any involvement of Thaksin and the Shinawatra clan.

Suthep has played a very canny hand indeed.

Electoral reforms can be done in a week or two and the elections can still be held within the 60 days after.

At least someone on this forum has posted a sensible and balanced view of the political situationj instead of the pathetic childish rants of red shirt/PTP supporters

[JAG]

I take it that there will no time frame for the "NEW ELECTION" The "FIRST ELECTION" which had to be carried out, by law, within 30 days and was blocked by the Democrats will now be replaced with the "NEW ELECTION" which it seems can held at any time. Also the first election needed the caretaker Government to seek special permission,but it seems that the "NEW ELECTION" does not need any special permission. If the caretaker Government holds back a little on the "NEW ELECTION" and does nothing it could be that the caretaker Prime Minister will be asked to step down and her party disbanded and then there will be no need to waste money and no need for a "THIRD NEW ELECTION" What a joke this country is. There is more sense coming out the school play ground.

Actually it makes perfect sense. It is part of a work in process, the aim of which is to remove the last vestige of an elected government, and replace it with an appointed government.

Remember these people are stealing an entire country, except they don't see it as stealing as they believe it is theirs by right, "We own Thailand", rings any bells?

They are prepared to be fairly patient about it, the stakes are high and this time it will be for keeps!

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[winstonc]

If anyone thinks or believes that my hero Kuhn Suthep will allow another election before the reforms are put in place dream on cos it ain't goin happen!!!!

The mad man is your hero???

with your avatar picture and you make a post like that..well done..

[Dario]

"He said the caretaker government will have to shoulder Bt3.8 billion for the election since it was warned against holding the balloting on Feb 2 but insisted on going ahead with it."

Just slap it on the end of the rice tab, boys.

So, the government will have to shoulder, in other words the taxpayer will shoulder. The correct wording should read: the PuaiThai party should shoulder the 3.8 billion Baht, because they have insisted

[SICHONSTEVE]

The EC were not able to organize safe venues to register candidates for the last election why would

anyone think these incompetent buffoons are able to do a better job for the next election.

Replace theses guys and move on.

It is not their job to organise safe venues. it is their job to organise venues (which they did).

They (the EC) actually told them that it was unlikely that the elections could be completed satisfactorily - the government chose to ignore their advice and ploughed on ahead relentlessly not heeding that advice.

I think that I know where the blame for this fiasco lies and it is not with the EC!!!!

[tezzainoz]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

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Actually, I think you are very wrong here.

The PDRC will definitely allow new elections. You fail to read 'between the lines' which is an essentially required skill when debating Thai politics.

The PDRC threat to disrupt a future election before reforms is a very strategic announcement. It sends out a message to Yingluck not to bully the EC in yet another snap election, by threatening to send it the same way as the last one.

They are demanding full national reforms, but of course with negotiations that would certainly be reduced to 'electoral reforms'. Why?... because they know that in a free and fair election, the Dems would stroll in based on the massive amount of voters that the PTP have lost (8 million almost).

The Dems will have a manifesto based on the national reforms which actually have many points that will extremely enhance the quality of politics and fairness for the entire country including the PTP stronghold, while the PTP won't be allowed to use their old tactics of 2011 to gain support. They will have to rely on nothing other than intelligent agendas, which will probably be laughed at nationwide seeing as ALL their past policies failed spectacularly with possible a trillion baht disappearing.

The EC will get the two side together, and do not be surprised if the PDRC downgrade their demands and settle for election overhaul to make them free of corruption. The ball will be in the PTP court to show their hand on whether they support or oppose free and fair elections. A tricky situation for them.

The Dems may even say that they will contest and if they win, oversee reforms and then dissolve parliament in two years time and hold fresh elections. I can't see the country rejecting that, and at least the reforms will be devoid of any involvement of Thaksin and the Shinawatra clan.

Suthep has played a very canny hand indeed.

Electoral reforms can be done in a week or two and the elections can still be held within the 60 days after.

Said basically the same myself in another thread

but their are many here that do not like logical talking

Trolling is much more to their liking

[tezzainoz]

I sincerely wonder why the EC would even say this when they are clearly not in control of anything? They will just be wasting the people's money if they allow protesters to disrupt the election process once more. Furthermore, the Constitutional Court has set a very bad precedent by saying the disruption in the 02 Feb 2014 election was null and void because the election could not be completed in one day. That means that any group - regardless of color could probably do the same thing - over and over ad nauseum...

I find this very hypocritical...

But if Reform takes place chances are it ill not

so I guess you are voting for reform before an election

[tezzainoz]

I hope that there is a new election run, and that the Dems decide to take part, this time round.

Suthep has made his point, that there needs to be more work done on the Constitution, hopefully both PTP & the Dems will include that in their manifesto-promises & then participate, with a national-referendum to ratify any changes, and will call a new election once those changes are made.

It will be interesting to see the results of a fully-participating election, just how much support each party now commands, in each area.

No PDRC have already said they'll block the polls, the Charter Court decision lets PDRC block elections by blocking far fewer polls now. Democrats have already said they won't stand again if the Court ruled that way. Somchai Srisuthiyakorn is still in the Electoral Commission, he'll be up to his tricks again.

So to have a vote, they need to organize a vote without the EC and Suthep and courts to block it.

However if there is no Dissolution decree in force then there is no election and if there's no election, Yingluk still has 2 years as PM, so this is moot. The EC cannot stay in power forever simply by blocking the vote.

Can I say this one more time

Yingluck can not be the PM for another 2 years

as she is no longer the PM

she is only the head of a Caretaker committee

That can legally do no more than smile at photos

[tezzainoz]

I take it that there will no time frame for the "NEW ELECTION" The "FIRST ELECTION" which had to be carried out, by law, within 30 days and was blocked by the Democrats will now be replaced with the "NEW ELECTION" which it seems can held at any time. Also the first election needed the caretaker Government to seek special permission,but it seems that the "NEW ELECTION" does not need any special permission. If the caretaker Government holds back a little on the "NEW ELECTION" and does nothing it could be that the caretaker Prime Minister will be asked to step down and her party disbanded and then there will be no need to waste money and no need for a "THIRD NEW ELECTION" What a joke this country is. There is more sense coming out the school play ground.

My Thai wife has a message for you

If your not happy there is an international airport near to you

Bye

Me I'd like you to stay, you humor makes my day

[tezzainoz]

So the kangaroos declare the last elections null and void. I'll be curious what the thug Suthep and the Dem pretty boys do now. Face the electorate in the next elections and get their heads handed to them or find another way to screw the process. Ok, I'll make an educated guess.

Sorry wrong country

The Kagaroos are still in Australia stopping the will of the people being passed the Government has a mandate but the Kagaroos in the senate wante their way of no way

Now getting back to Thailand

As long as the Get Out of Jail free card is gone before the next election

Mt Thai wife and all her friends could not give a s xx t what Suthep thinks

they will vote

and they are part f the protestors who would not vote at the last election

[tezzainoz]

If anyone thinks or believes that my hero Kuhn Suthep will allow another election before the reforms are put in place dream on cos it ain't goin happen!!!!

The mad man is your hero???

with your avatar picture and you make a post like that..well done..

You are so Red fed you actually think Suthep controls the protest

ha ha ha ha

[JesseFrank]

I hope that there is a new election run, and that the Dems decide to take part, this time round.

Suthep has made his point, that there needs to be more work done on the Constitution, hopefully both PTP & the Dems will include that in their manifesto-promises & then participate, with a national-referendum to ratify any changes, and will call a new election once those changes are made.

It will be interesting to see the results of a fully-participating election, just how much support each party now commands, in each area.

Just to remind you that PTP had it in their election program 2011, they only forgot about it after they were elected, as they had more important issues e.g. clean up square head's issues and bring him back .

[Thai at Heart]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

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Actually, I think you are very wrong here.

The PDRC will definitely allow new elections. You fail to read 'between the lines' which is an essentially required skill when debating Thai politics.

The PDRC threat to disrupt a future election before reforms is a very strategic announcement. It sends out a message to Yingluck not to bully the EC in yet another snap election, by threatening to send it the same way as the last one.

They are demanding full national reforms, but of course with negotiations that would certainly be reduced to 'electoral reforms'. Why?... because they know that in a free and fair election, the Dems would stroll in based on the massive amount of voters that the PTP have lost (8 million almost).

The Dems will have a manifesto based on the national reforms which actually have many points that will extremely enhance the quality of politics and fairness for the entire country including the PTP stronghold, while the PTP won't be allowed to use their old tactics of 2011 to gain support. They will have to rely on nothing other than intelligent agendas, which will probably be laughed at nationwide seeing as ALL their past policies failed spectacularly with possible a trillion baht disappearing.

The EC will get the two side together, and do not be surprised if the PDRC downgrade their demands and settle for election overhaul to make them free of corruption. The ball will be in the PTP court to show their hand on whether they support or oppose free and fair elections. A tricky situation for them.

The Dems may even say that they will contest and if they win, oversee reforms and then dissolve parliament in two years time and hold fresh elections. I can't see the country rejecting that, and at least the reforms will be devoid of any involvement of Thaksin and the Shinawatra clan.

Suthep has played a very canny hand indeed.

Electoral reforms can be done in a week or two and the elections can still be held within the 60 days after.

At least someone on this forum has posted a sensible and balanced view of the political situationj instead of the pathetic childish rants of red shirt/PTP supporters

How do you bully the EC to carry out an election..that is all they exist to perform.

For them not to carry out their job is breaking the constitution. It is the EC that is allowing itself to be bullied by the PDRC.

[MickGC]

If anyone thinks or believes that my hero Kuhn Suthep will allow another election before the reforms are put in place dream on cos it ain't goin happen!!!!

The mad man is your hero???

with your avatar picture and you make a post like that..well done..

You are so Red fed you actually think Suthep controls the protest

ha ha ha ha

You are correct tezza. He is just a puppet. ha ha ha ha

[MaxLee]

New elections???

Thaksin will win, because Pheu Thai will act, the redshirts who are NOT affiliated with the rice farmers are still plenty and will do EVERYTHING to push through their votes over others' dead bodies...

... wanna bet???

[almafudd]

I hope that there is a new election run, and that the Dems decide to take part, this time round.

Suthep has made his point, that there needs to be more work done on the Constitution, hopefully both PTP & the Dems will include that in their manifesto-promises & then participate, with a national-referendum to ratify any changes, and will call a new election once those changes are made.

It will be interesting to see the results of a fully-participating election, just how much support each party now commands, in each area.

There should be political reforms first and as Thaksin would never agree with any reforms that cost him power or money it won't happen...

I agree with you both.

Reforms have to happen weather TS likes it or not. Also he should be out of the political arena, together with his family and supporters for running an illegal government from another land, surely there is enough evidence by now to snuff him out.

Thailand needs all the disinfectant it can get to clean out the bugs that suck off it's wealth.

Surely another reason for electoral overhaul, which would include any party suspected of being controlled by Thaksin or his clan must have their candidates removed from the ballot with immediate effect.

EC should also have a committee set up to scrutinize any election campaign policies that favour only a certain set of voters and not the country as a whole.. General elections should be for the benefit of the entire nation not a certain portion of the country. Any populist policies to be banned so that party can not put it through parliament.

Of course evidence of vote buying, intimidation and vote manipulation via village elders etc to be heavily screen with any evidence of infraction resulting in that party candidate for the relevant constituency being removed from the ballot with immediate effect.

Ummm... There are laws that govern what Government departments can and can't do.

I really don't like Thaksin and his antics, but for you to say they "must have their candidates removed from the ballot with immediate effect" makes you as bad and corrupt as him!

Around the word all Government parties 'target' seats they are trying to win and pepper them with programs, spending increases, etc... It is up to individual voters to determine weather a parties polices are the ones they want to vote for.

You have to behave legally to achieve your goals.

What do you mean when you say "Please expand on that, as I have a few email addresses I can send your assertions to and see what they make of them."? I have hundreds of email addresses...

Just my two cents worth

edit: typo and change of tense

Edited March 23, 2014 by almafudd

[expat888]

Do you suppose the election commission is keeping this whole thing going just to stay relevant?

[HonestQuietBob]

Sure the PDRC will agree to allow new elections. NOT!! They are already spouting to block new elections without reform first.

With the pending cases against the PTP and YL it is doubtful their names will remain in any ballot. But since YL has already been in the north vying voters for the PTP i am sure another patsy would run with the PTP approval.

The courts need to abolish these so called Democratic parties and their families. So holding any new elections will surely be another waste of time and money. They need an elected leader. But the parties involved are all crooked so nothing changes

Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Actually, I think you are very wrong here.

The PDRC will definitely allow new elections. You fail to read 'between the lines' which is an essentially required skill when debating Thai politics.

The PDRC threat to disrupt a future election before reforms is a very strategic announcement. It sends out a message to Yingluck not to bully the EC in yet another snap election, by threatening to send it the same way as the last one.

They are demanding full national reforms, but of course with negotiations that would certainly be reduced to 'electoral reforms'. Why?... because they know that in a free and fair election, the Dems would stroll in based on the massive amount of voters that the PTP have lost (8 million almost).

The Dems will have a manifesto based on the national reforms which actually have many points that will extremely enhance the quality of politics and fairness for the entire country including the PTP stronghold, while the PTP won't be allowed to use their old tactics of 2011 to gain support. They will have to rely on nothing other than intelligent agendas, which will probably be laughed at nationwide seeing as ALL their past policies failed spectacularly with possible a trillion baht disappearing.

The EC will get the two side together, and do not be surprised if the PDRC downgrade their demands and settle for election overhaul to make them free of corruption. The ball will be in the PTP court to show their hand on whether they support or oppose free and fair elections. A tricky situation for them.

The Dems may even say that they will contest and if they win, oversee reforms and then dissolve parliament in two years time and hold fresh elections. I can't see the country rejecting that, and at least the reforms will be devoid of any involvement of Thaksin and the Shinawatra clan.

Suthep has played a very canny hand indeed.

Electoral reforms can be done in a week or two and the elections can still be held within the 60 days after.

Said basically the same myself in another thread

but their are many here that do not like logical talking

Trolling is much more to their liking

You should have focussed on the lines and not read between them because you've got it wrong.

PDRC will not accept anything less than a period of unelected rule that will give them the opportunity to re-write the constitution in such a way that their electoral minority can win a parliamentary majority.

The good people of Thailand won't allow this to happen.

The Democrat manifesto is nothing more than them claiming their right to continue on plundering the nation as they had for decades before Thaksin rudely interrupted them.

The good people of Thailand won't allow this to happen.

Suthep has failed in his people's uprising because the people do not support his anti democratic politics and that's way the courts had to take over the coup. A judicial coup is their last chance of gaining unelected power.

The good people of Thaland won't allow this to happen.

Red support is too strong and Non-Red support is too weak for Thaksin backed parties to ever lose an election.

And the freer and fairer the elections are made, the more Thaksins side will win by.

The good people of Thailand will ensure this happens.

The Democrats future, if it doesn't die off, is as a smallish regional party with 1 - 2 million supporters representing a few central, southern provinces.

These fools have allowed this to happen to themselves.