Jatuporn: UDD's rally on April 5-6 just a "final exercise before the big war"

[WoopyDoo]

The international court of justice awaits, because this stupid and backward country never really punishes anyone but the complete poor and destitute.

And yet you have chosen to live here? didn't you carry out due diligence and weigh up the pro's and con's of moving to Thailand, the fact that you've chosen to still live in Thailand despite calling it stupid and backwards, kind of shows the contempt you have for the place, without really knowing what you were letting yourself in for, when you decided Thailand was the place to put down new roots.

It's history has been turbulent, what with the dozens of coups since the 1930's..as for the corruption in the Far East, it's endemic, and the culture is almost impossible to change after generations of your Thai family doing things their way, they don't need to conform to your customs mate, you need to conform to theirs and accept that some things you simply can't change, if the roles were reversed, you'd be expecting your Thai family to adopt the customs of your native country would you not, so that they felt a part of the community and fitted in?

Guy's like Juttaporn are blow hards, all talk and no action, they're doing a great job being antagonists, they're saying all these things to provoke reactions, and it seems to be working, do you honestly think he would risk being known as the man known to have plunged Thailand into a civil war?

Violence solves nothing, the acts of these renegade reds responsible for the deaths of the kids, need to be punished to the full extent of a 5.56mm, no point in saying the Law as the Law is part of the problem, as in the Police. But all out violence is not going to solve the current situation, it's not going to get the farmers their money, and it's not going to benefit Thailand in the short, or long run, there needs to be cool heads and common sense to prevail, and avert this possible flash point that seems to be looming.

General Prayuth better have a very good plan B, as he might need to use it soon!!

I'm not staying pal.

I suspect you will not be too far behind me.if you think that Jatuporn isn't planning a major civil war at the command of Thaksin.

I reckon it is you that needs to be doing due diligence.

When the crap hits the fan, you may well find you have found it too late to get out without having to negotiate your way through blockades of red shirts throughout the country on all roads. I wonder how many you will get through until they decide you have things that they want.

I hope you have a helicopter.

You seem to be looking at history while I am looking at the future. I would say I am doing my due diligence on the current and future situations.

I think everyone knows that Prayeth won't coup, the courts are doing that, and rightly so.... no crime then no worries for the government, but we all know they are saturated in crime and corruption and Prayuth and the courts all know that too, as well as the UDD and reds.

If it kicks off over the next few weeks, it will be martial law and the army will attempt to crush the reds.

It will be a lot worse than 2010 by a mile. There are people here who want a civil war, they want to separate Thailand, and they will do all they can to achieve it, and this is probably the best opportunity that has ever come their way, they will be reluctant to let the opportunity slip past them.

Another thing that makes it a lot worse, is that in 2010 the reds were the protesters, that turned into violent rioters and looters, they never really had much of an agenda apart from forcing the Dems out. This time, they want not only revenge for 2010, but also they have declared war against the independent agencies, the PDRC and the army. So they have targets in their sights.

The army will be able to protect BKK up to a point, but the reds will just disperse to provincial level and disrupt everything they can. The only method will be extreme violence.

Jatuporn knows he is going back inside soon, he won't survive his bail review in 2 weeks and neither will Nattawut. They will want this to kick off before that time arrives, and they will not surrender to the court. They need this civil war as much as Thaksin needs it.

I hope I am wrong, but I bet I am right.

[Insight]

The pro-Suthep farang are in fact and reality contemporary fascists who want to retain as much of the quaint and charming feudal order of the post-war period as possible. They don't want girls from Issan out of their bar slave roles in Bangkok nor do they want any more of the modern world in Thailand than they are compelled by reality to accept. Developments of the past 14-15 years are directly relevant to these fahlang, personally, vitally, in their entirety. Their virulent lashing out against the changes modernization has imposed on the society testifies to the vested interests of these farang in their own private yet passé quaint and charming feudal Thailand. If they weren't so personally invested in multiple ways, they wouldn't be making such unrelenting and unrestrained personal attacks against those who threaten their own private Thailand.

The talk in recent years of republicanism is just that, a lot of empty talk. Keep In mind however that such talk mortifies these fahlang. The only two native English language countries that are republics are Ireland and the United States, neither of which are strongly represented among farang. Even the empty talk of republicanism here doesn't calm the hyper horrors of so many fahlang.

(Also overlooking every ridiculous claim of the desires of other posters beyond the first sentence...)

So everybody on this forum who challenges "red rule" (read: can see through their heavily PR-enforced BS) is a "fascist" ?

Well there's clearly a wide range of them on here, from what appear to be a wide range of cultural and political backgrounds.

With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago.

Sent from my armchair

Your post is in the category of things my post never said.

The pro-Suthep farang are in fact and reality contemporary fascists

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[Publicus]

@Insight

"So everybody on this forum who challenges "red rule" (read: can see through their heavily PR-enforced BS) is a "fascist" ?"

"With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You made these statements, not I.

You, not I, said, so everybody on this forum who challenges red rule.

You, not I, said, "With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You got "this forum" in there twice, so, yes, you are right in this respect - everyone here is at this forum. And a fine forum it is.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Publicus

[Yunla]

The mass rally to be staged by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) on the Aksa road in Bangkok’s suburbs this Saturday and Sunday is just a “final exercise before the big war” after Songkran festival, said Jatuporn Promphan on Wednesday.

Very diplomatic words that will surely end the bitter factional divisions and bring about a new dawn of unity and friendship.

And as a bonus, when they march they don't need to buy whistles. On windy days that big empty object ontop of Jatuporn's neck makes a melodious whistling sound when the breeze blows through his ears.

[The stuttering parrot]

It's going to be interesting this weekend.

Judging by the reaction on here the reds shouldn't have a voice at all.

There have been attempts to get both parties together to try and at least come to some compromise however it's fallen on deaf ears on both sides but mainly on suteps with his my way or the highway attitude.

After all these months I just see the same posts over and over tit for tat and where is it at now ?Back to square one.

Basically the dems know when it goes to an election they will lose .The so called reform committee or what ever it's called isn't going to happen.Army coup well the army says no they have learned from the past.Civil war nope.

The good news for sutep is he's got the Guinness book of records for the longest most expensive picnic in the park of all time.

[Insight]

@Insight

"So everybody on this forum who challenges "red rule" (read: can see through their heavily PR-enforced BS) is a "fascist" ?"

"With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You made these statements, not I.

You, not I, said, so everybody on this forum who challenges red rule.

You, not I, said, "With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You got "this forum" in there twice, so, yes, you are right in this respect - everyone here is at this forum. And a fine forum it is.

Backpedalling on semantics. Pretty pathetic.

[Fryslan boppe]

Best warning is to be forewarned.

Jatuporn's indication that the UDD/Red Shirts are ready is not an idle thought.

Their meetings of last week which were heavily managed to insure only key leaders were involved and protecting their plans, put the final touches to the response of the UDD/Red Shirts. The response to when the Ammart pulls the coup-trigger via their chosen vehicles of judiciary/Independent Organization. Unelectables trying to circumvent Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy just isn't going to fly... They think by not using the military, they are creating impenetrable smoke.

The anti-democrats continue to play this charade of trying to make a coup not appear to be a coup......No-one is fooled, least of all the pro-democracy UDD/RS's.

Bleating about those bad, bad UDD/RS's and PTP not respecting the law, falls on deaf ears, when the law instruments being used serve the interests of the minority electorate......No diversionary silliness will cloud the reality of an electoral majority seeing their votes and choice of Govt. being negated by a minority, via whatever faux method the anti-democrats dream up.

Elections and Parliament....Nothing less!

Let the games begin.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Mackie]

Best warning is to be forewarned.

Jatuporn's indication that the UDD/Red Shirts are ready is not an idle thought.

Their meetings of last week which were heavily managed to insure only key leaders were involved and protecting their plans, put the final touches to the response of the UDD/Red Shirts. The response to when the Ammart pulls the coup-trigger via their chosen vehicles of judiciary/Independent Organization. Unelectables trying to circumvent Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy just isn't going to fly... They think by not using the military, they are creating impenetrable smoke.

The anti-democrats continue to play this charade of trying to make a coup not appear to be a coup......No-one is fooled, least of all the pro-democracy UDD/RS's.

Bleating about those bad, bad UDD/RS's and PTP not respecting the law, falls on deaf ears, when the law instruments being used serve the interests of the minority electorate......No diversionary silliness will cloud the reality of an electoral majority seeing their votes and choice of Govt. being negated by a minority, via whatever faux method the anti-democrats dream up.

Elections and Parliament....Nothing less!

Let the games begin.

First of all, be careful what you wish for. UDD/RS's movement is as democratic as it is Hun Sen's movement in Cambodia. You're not defending democracy, you are defending autocracy, kleptocracy and nepotism on unbelievable scale in the modern world.

Incidentally, elections and parliament. But add to it accountability, representation, responsibility and transparency. Nothing less. The games have started long ago but you still don't get it. Amusing.

[somo]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

But I do know what I am talking about. I have been acknowledged (in print) by the mayor of Chiang Mai as "our local historian". My books on Thailand are used in courses for postgraduates at Chulalongkorn University. The Tourism Authority of Thailand has told me directly (when working for them) that "you know better than us".

Not everyone on this forum is a dumb redneck know-nothing Farang. But perhaps you are?

You are the exception that proves the rule. Thank you.

Shame you feel the need to throw random insults. It demeans you.

It shows that despite knowing better than Thais how their country should be run you are insecure in your position.

[Thait Spot]

Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Dear Arrogant Tom,

I have lived in a small northern Thai village for 25 years. I fully support the idea of decentralisation and the promotion of regional values. But Thaksin and his clan are murderous thieves, while Natthawut and Jatuporn are simply thugs, totally unrepresentative of the good people of the north - for heaven's sake, the latter two are southern gunmen with less northern links than I have.

So I don't want to become like you - and nor do any of my Khon Mueang compatriots.

Unfortunately the elections in your bailiwick show that the Thaksin clan and red shirt members hold the fort

[binjalin]

Suthep has the power of old cultural forces (and money) behind him. He can dress his words up in prettier language like "reform" ..hes part of the problem tho because his power relies on the very systems that created the status quo. The red shirts do not have the generational power and must resort to their numbers and a constant underlying, threatening layer of violence, actualized by events in 2010.

The reds really do seem to have the numbers, however, which is an empowerment in democratic nations. It determines who governs.

I agree, the threat of violence coming from the reds is damaging thailand, but bangkokians and the old lords need to understand: if u want democracy, respect the vote

The old worn out broken down record...forget all the other principles of Democracy but respect the vote. Respecting my vote also includes respecting the rules of democracy and the laws of governance. It is not given for one day at the ballot box but for the term of governance. If you want democracy then respect not only the ballot on voting day but also the constitution, the law and the people. Its a pity the Pheu Thai criminals, their UDD thugs and their Red Khwai can't understand that.

don't pity us friend... you need to look in the mirror defending a constitution that was forced on the public by the Army not allowing an anti-campaigning, controlling the press and saying if you vote "No" WE STAY

Respect the People's Vote is what is being fought for in Myanmar and has been fought for all over the world yet you SCORN, VILIFY and LAUGH at it 'North Korean Style' for that is where this country goes if it allows megalomaniac Suthep his fascist council

of course this won't happen - bleat all you want friend... you cannot stop the paradigm shift towards a fairer society which will have to include reforming the judiciary and your beloved "constitution"

Edited April 3, 2014 by binjalin

[binjalin]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

But I do know what I am talking about. I have been acknowledged (in print) by the mayor of Chiang Mai as "our local historian". My books on Thailand are used in courses for postgraduates at Chulalongkorn University. The Tourism Authority of Thailand has told me directly (when working for them) that "you know better than us".

Not everyone on this forum is a dumb redneck know-nothing Farang. But perhaps you are?

You are the exception that proves the rule. Thank you.

Shame you feel the need to throw random insults. It demeans you.

It shows that despite knowing better than Thais how their country should be run you are insecure in your position.

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Edited April 3, 2014 by binjalin

[Utley]

Please, please, please tell me - when will the final "final exercise" take place? All of these "final exercises" are wearing rather thin.

[gabruce]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

The pro-Suthep farang are in fact and reality contemporary fascists who want to retain as much of the quaint and charming feudal order of the post-war period as possible. They don't want girls from Issan out of their bar slave roles in Bangkok nor do they want any more of the modern world in Thailand than they are compelled by reality to accept. Developments of the past 14-15 years are directly relevant to these fahlang, personally, vitally, in their entirety. Their virulent lashing out against the changes modernization has imposed on the society testifies to the vested interests of these farang in their own private yet passé quaint and charming feudal Thailand. If they weren't so personally invested in multiple ways, they wouldn't be making such unrelenting and unrestrained personal attacks against those who threaten their own private Thailand.

The talk in recent years of republicanism is just that, a lot of empty talk. Keep In mind however that such talk mortifies these fahlang. The only two native English language countries that are republics are Ireland and the United States, neither of which are strongly represented among farang. Even the empty talk of republicanism here doesn't calm the hyper horrors of so many fahlang.

I believe that you are so, so wrong!

[laurentbkk]

so what part of Bangkok should we avoid ????????? this time .....

[Publicus]

@Insight

"So everybody on this forum who challenges "red rule" (read: can see through their heavily PR-enforced BS) is a "fascist" ?"

"With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You made these statements, not I.

You, not I, said, so everybody on this forum who challenges red rule.

You, not I, said, "With so many of these "contemporary" Neo-Nazi's about on here, it's a wonder why this forum wasn't shut down years ago."

You got "this forum" in there twice, so, yes, you are right in this respect - everyone here is at this forum. And a fine forum it is.

Backpedalling on semantics. Pretty pathetic.

[gabruce]

It's going to be interesting this weekend.

Judging by the reaction on here the reds shouldn't have a voice at all.

There have been attempts to get both parties together to try and at least come to some compromise however it's fallen on deaf ears on both sides but mainly on suteps with his my way or the highway attitude.

After all these months I just see the same posts over and over tit for tat and where is it at now ?Back to square one.

Basically the dems know when it goes to an election they will lose .The so called reform committee or what ever it's called isn't going to happen.Army coup well the army says no they have learned from the past.Civil war nope.

The good news for sutep is he's got the Guinness book of records for the longest most expensive picnic in the park of all time.

The worry is that the UDD/Red Shirt hardliners will start a Civil war. That would be a bad thing.

[rebelplatoon]

Typical red militia rhetoric. Peaceful as ever. . .

[Eric Loh]

Seem that a simple election will stop all these madness. However we have one side insisting and persisting with undemocratic power grap with help of the judiciary. If you keep ousting a democratically elected government by means of a putsch thrice in just 9 years, you got very angry people whose freedom of choice has been trampled again and again.

[ikke]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

Yet one more example, as if we needed if, of the Reds' intolerance of any opinion other than their own. Now, they want to "cleanse" this forum of messages that offend them. A good example of what the Khmer Rouge-like Reds will do when they get their hands around the entire throat of Thailand. A plunge off a precipice into darkness.

They were elected you know. They can do what they want now. Don't have to answer to anyone. Above the law.

Usual PTP/UDD mantra.

What amazes me is that people really fall for the PR that PTP are democractic.

I wont say they are democratic, but they where democratic elected by the majority of Thai people.

What amazes me is that people really fall for Suthep and believe he will ever lead to democracy .

[Lupatria]

I understand there are rules for posts on this forum. That's OK. However, isn’t it a paradox that post were deleted because they were ‘advocating violence’ while the main actor here is threatening his country with WAR?

[Mackie]

I understand there are rules for posts on this forum. That's OK. However, isn’t it a paradox that post were deleted because they were ‘advocating violence’ while the main actor here is threatening his country with WAR?

And to make matters worse the main actor who is threatening his own country with civil war is only free because he was released on bail. Let's not forget that Jatuporn was detained on terrorism charges. Rightly so. He should have never been released in the first place. I hope that grave error of judgment by Thai judiciary gets rectified sooner rather than later.

[Halion]

Big man ,big mouth and small brain. At the sound of gunfire he will be the first to run.

[bkkjames]

Big man ,big mouth and small brain. At the sound of gunfire he will be the first to run.

after 2010's burning season, bangkokians won't leave it to the bib this time to ensure these guys maintain peace and order.

[darren84310]

"Have trust in their leaders"

That's where all of Thai problems stem from. Problem is that a large percentage of the general public are of such poor education and without the ability to think for themselves, they will follow idiots like this guy.

[lostmebike]

'The big war' ....

more like the BIG HEAD

[charmonman]

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Dear arrogant Bangkok People,

lets imagine the UDD comes to Bangkok and no violence happends. I think then you are very unhappy. Oh my god, the redshirts are so primitive and you Bangkok people are so cultivated and intelligent.

I can understand very well, why some people dont want to be governed from Bangkok.

This is the reason I dont want to live in a big city. I dont want to become like you.

Best wishes

Tom

This is about a prominent Red Shirt leader calling on his followers to start a civil war. This is an incitement to violence, is it not?

You don't have to be an "arrogant Bangkok person", cultivated or even all that intelligent to not want a frigging civil war!

What is your point, Tom?

[Mentors]

I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

The pro-Suthep farang are in fact and reality contemporary fascists who want to retain as much of the quaint and charming feudal order of the post-war period as possible. They don't want girls from Issan out of their bar slave roles in Bangkok nor do they want any more of the modern world in Thailand than they are compelled by reality to accept. Developments of the past 14-15 years are directly relevant to these fahlang, personally, vitally, in their entirety. Their virulent lashing out against the changes modernization has imposed on the society testifies to the vested interests of these farang in their own private yet passé quaint and charming feudal Thailand. If they weren't so personally invested in multiple ways, they wouldn't be making such unrelenting and unrestrained personal attacks against those who threaten their own private Thailand.

The talk in recent years of republicanism is just that, a lot of empty talk. Keep In mind however that such talk mortifies these fahlang. The only two native English language countries that are republics are Ireland and the United States, neither of which are strongly represented among farang. Even the empty talk of republicanism here doesn't calm the hyper horrors of so many fahlang.

Very good post.

And they hate the 300 Baht minimum wage and tax rise on beer...

When the Reds occupied the streets in Bangkok, many Farangs cried foul on daily base.

Now with the Yellow Whistle Mob doing the same since 4 month, they are very quiet even the business is more down than ever before.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Mentors

[Eric Loh]

All Jutaporn is saying is that people mandate should be respected, not trampled and violated. If you believed in democracy, you should cheer for him. Give the UDD the right to elect and they will go home. Simple.

[charmonman]

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I am amazed at the overwhelming anti democratic posts here.

You are all advocating Thailand rejects the voters choice of government. (yet again)

Why?

It has zero relevance to you, as a foreigner, yet you think your views mean something.

They are irrelevant so calm down and stop thinking you know what you are talking about.

The pro-Suthep farang are in fact and reality contemporary fascists who want to retain as much of the quaint and charming feudal order of the post-war period as possible. They don't want girls from Issan out of their bar slave roles in Bangkok nor do they want any more of the modern world in Thailand than they are compelled by reality to accept. Developments of the past 14-15 years are directly relevant to these fahlang, personally, vitally, in their entirety. Their virulent lashing out against the changes modernization has imposed on the society testifies to the vested interests of these farang in their own private yet passé quaint and charming feudal Thailand. If they weren't so personally invested in multiple ways, they wouldn't be making such unrelenting and unrestrained personal attacks against those who threaten their own private Thailand.

The talk in recent years of republicanism is just that, a lot of empty talk. Keep In mind however that such talk mortifies these fahlang. The only two native English language countries that are republics are Ireland and the United States, neither of which are strongly represented among farang. Even the empty talk of republicanism here doesn't calm the hyper horrors of so many fahlang.

You can accuse anyone you want of being a fascist simply for disagreeing with your point of view, but that does not make them so. I am puzzled that you associate the Red Shirts with "modernization". With guys like Jatuporn in charge I am more concerned about them turning Thailand into Cambodia circa 1975.