PM Yingluck says she bows to charter court's power

[klauskunkel]

“If we look at the mounting problems negatively, we can never solve them. I try to look at them positively, let go, be patient and solve the problems prudently and carefully,” she said.

I am trying to be really fair here, but for the life f me I just can't think of any problem she solved since being PM. Can you, guys?

OTOH I can find many problems she caused or made worse...

good job

Edited April 11, 2014 by klauskunkel

[tingtongteesood]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

glad you have come round... but you forgot the most important "reform" the judiciary! Thailand will never have peace whilst bias is clearly observed - cancelling election results on a technicality because the "street thug groups" you mention bullied voters and stopped voting!

You say 'technicality' as it suits your agenda.

The rest of us call it 'the law' which must be followed and obeyed...

[SICHONSTEVE]

She is beginning to sound as defeatist as her brother did once he knew the game was up.

Can a voluntary exile be far away for her too?

Indeed, seems that she has thrown the towel in the ring as she might have just realised that she has no defence on any of the cases under investigation by the NACC.

Now I wonder where we (and she) would be now if she had done the sensible and honourable thing and resigned back in December vowing never to return to politics again!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

" ... the caretaker PM said she would accept the court’s verdict as long as she is treated equally, using the same standards (as other politicians) "

This is the big problem with Yingluck and Pheu Thai. They are not unequivocal when it comes to the judgments of the courts. There is always a " as long as " tacked on. Which means that Yingluck has not budged. Which means Pheu Thai has not budged. Which means the whole tension as to what Pheu Thai's reaction to the verdicts will be has not changed one iota. They seem to be preparing a narrative in advance, if they do not like the verdict of the Constitutional Court. And they are testing that narrative in public. The public - and the international community, unlike Pheu Thai - must therefore be unequivocal in their support of the judicial process and the judgments that are rendered from them. Period. There is no " as long as ". It's a period, Yingluck. It's a period.

Pheu Thai must state now - right now - that they will unequivocally accept the verdict of the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

absolutely mate and on top of that she keeps making this statement which is completely incorrect

Quote "Referring to a statement by Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva who called for her resignation from the caretaker role to end the political impasse, she said Mr Abhisit should be well aware of the imposition of the Constitution which requires a caretaker government and a general election after the House dissolution." This is not correct - there is a provision in the Constitution to allow for a premier to step down and an appointed PM take her place, always has been and always will be, she thinks if she keeps making this statement that somehow everyone will believe it, sorry YL you are consistently wrong and are about to find out the hard way

She is only parroting what her brother told her to say - she hasn't got a clue about anything political!!!

[rabas]

I'm watching hard talk on the BBC and one of the complaints about the world cup in Brazil was an expenditure of 12 billion dollars and some of it disappearing into corruption.

Puts the rice scheme into perspective

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You forget the 2 trillion baht infrastructure scheme, which didn't require the government to reveal how the money was spent.

The Brazilians would be green with envy.

[sae57]

the caretaker PM said she would accept the court’s verdict as long as she is treated equally, using the same standards (as other politicians),

First of all she isn't a politician, she is just a puppet placed in that positions because lack of another qualifying family member.

Secondly, I hear the argument coming already. I wasn't treated equally, this is a political motivated ruling.

Tell us something new honey.

I looked up the Thai-language article on MCOT. According to that she said that she would accept the court's verdict. She only wanted to "note that the court wasn't treating all equally."

I probably know the person who gave the final edit to the translation. He doesn't read Thai & makes the best of the garbled English he's given. You can never take copy in the English-language Thai press literally and strictly word-for-word.

--S

[Melyn]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

It won't be her decision anyway. She's guided and steered and string-attached-controlled from Dubai and her bodyguards, (Kittirat, Surapong, etc.),,,, a PM barbie girl, who has no say and right or opinion.... everything arranged and scripted in Dubai....

"everything arranged and scripted in Dubai"

That Thaksin must be a busy boy, running an entire country from Dubai and all on mobile phones and skype, whilst simultaneously running his own businesses and interests.

Sounds unbelievable doesn't it?

That's because it is.

Its perfectly believable. All the policy screwups have Thaksinomics smell all over.

He puts more effort into it than the PM ever did to either the rice scheme or house attendance.

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[Artisi]

Who will set the standard, Thaksin?

Of course, the standard should be set by an upstanding, honest and thoughtful person and who better to do this than Thaksin - he, who always puts the people of Thailand and their welfare well ahead of his own desires.

[Melyn]

And the chess game continues. So the Court can rule against her, and she has to leave, but what about the rest of the cabinet? They kick it out too, somehow? How do they fit the round peg of their goal - and by their, I group the opposition that makes up the Court, the rich and powerful Bangkokians, the PDRC, the DP, the military and others (all groups often overlapping) - of booting Thaksin and Cronies with square hole of the Constitution and the expectations of the upcountry folk? Should be interesting. I spend five minutes on this, and there are people on both sides going full time, with a deep understanding of Thai law, Thai acceptable practice, and who / what is in play. So I know better than to predict final outcomes. But you can be sure there are many moves to come in this game, till we know we have reached the next phase. Certainly not the end, as this game will be played for years and years to come, dividing and re-dividing the spoils of Thailand.

My guess is that with Yingluck out of the picture, her deputy, Thaksin's cousin, Surapong will pick up the reigns.

What really matters, however, will be who is selected to run on the PM ticket in the upcoming election.

Another of Thaksin's family? Will PTP go with that or will they rebel? Suthep won't go home. Will the dems contest the election?

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"reigns" - a typo'....I hope!

You'll be disappointed!

Using the typo "I hoe" when discussing Surapong made me think of Snow White. He'd make a great dwarf

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[sae57]

“If we look at the mounting problems negatively, we can never solve them. I try to look at them positively, let go, be patient and solve the problems prudently and carefully,” she said.

I am trying to be really fair here, but for the life f me I just can't think of any problem she solved since being PM. Can you, guys?

OTOH I can find many problems she caused or made worse...

good job

When the floods hit she belatedly asked Abhisit to help manage the situation, which he did, but she refused his insistence on declaring a state of emergency, thus freeing up funds to deal with it. She basically continued the Dem's economic policies--shifting from an export to a consumer-driven economy--but lacked the competency (herself and her ministers) and at some point asked Abhisit to come in and help with that. He refused on the lame excuse that it might be unconstitutional. Those Dem policies were behind the car-buying incentives and the minimum-wage increase--not bad ideas in themselves but poorly designed and managed (echos of TS). The rice program was a return to an experiment that had already failed under TS. The Dems did crop insurance.

So. to answer the question: Hmm; nope can't think of any.

[Artisi]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

It won't be her decision anyway. She's guided and steered and string-attached-controlled from Dubai and her bodyguards, (Kittirat, Surapong, etc.),,,, a PM barbie girl, who has no say and right or opinion.... everything arranged and scripted in Dubai....

"everything arranged and scripted in Dubai"

That Thaksin must be a busy boy, running an entire country from Dubai and all on mobile phones and skype, whilst simultaneously running his own businesses and interests.

Sounds unbelievable doesn't it?

That's because it is.

Then why do all the PTP politicians keep rushing to meet him....his charisma....or his cash/power?

To make him feel important, otherwise they will be shafted big time ....

[SICHONSTEVE]

And the chess game continues. So the Court can rule against her, and she has to leave, but what about the rest of the cabinet? They kick it out too, somehow? How do they fit the round peg of their goal - and by their, I group the opposition that makes up the Court, the rich and powerful Bangkokians, the PDRC, the DP, the military and others (all groups often overlapping) - of booting Thaksin and Cronies with square hole of the Constitution and the expectations of the upcountry folk? Should be interesting. I spend five minutes on this, and there are people on both sides going full time, with a deep understanding of Thai law, Thai acceptable practice, and who / what is in play. So I know better than to predict final outcomes. But you can be sure there are many moves to come in this game, till we know we have reached the next phase. Certainly not the end, as this game will be played for years and years to come, dividing and re-dividing the spoils of Thailand.

My guess is that with Yingluck out of the picture, her deputy, Thaksin's cousin, Surapong will pick up the reigns.

What really matters, however, will be who is selected to run on the PM ticket in the upcoming election.

Another of Thaksin's family? Will PTP go with that or will they rebel? Suthep won't go home. Will the dems contest the election?

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"reigns" - a typo'....I hope!

You'll be disappointed!

Using the typo "I hoe" when discussing Surapong made me think of Snow White. He'd make a great dwarf

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once I had finished reading your post - dopey flashed into my head!!! How did you do that?

[Melyn]

And the chess game continues. So the Court can rule against her, and she has to leave, but what about the rest of the cabinet? They kick it out too, somehow? How do they fit the round peg of their goal - and by their, I group the opposition that makes up the Court, the rich and powerful Bangkokians, the PDRC, the DP, the military and others (all groups often overlapping) - of booting Thaksin and Cronies with square hole of the Constitution and the expectations of the upcountry folk? Should be interesting. I spend five minutes on this, and there are people on both sides going full time, with a deep understanding of Thai law, Thai acceptable practice, and who / what is in play. So I know better than to predict final outcomes. But you can be sure there are many moves to come in this game, till we know we have reached the next phase. Certainly not the end, as this game will be played for years and years to come, dividing and re-dividing the spoils of Thailand.

My guess is that with Yingluck out of the picture, her deputy, Thaksin's cousin, Surapong will pick up the reigns.

What really matters, however, will be who is selected to run on the PM ticket in the upcoming election.

Another of Thaksin's family? Will PTP go with that or will they rebel? Suthep won't go home. Will the dems contest the election?

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Oak is being groomed currently for a future leadership role.

Yes, the Dems will have to contest the next election or the party gets disbanded.

A horse and groom is always better than a gruesome w$%&e

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[benny1616]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

hahaha, tell this the yellows and you are right. economists? looks as you like to have the ordinary thai even more exploidet. therefore i would like to see some really socialists as adviser in the goberment, telling them to raise this miserable salary and cut the huge net profits from the companys.

[Melyn]

It is the judiciary that is keeping this country on a democratic path. With out a strong Judiciary the government can do as they please no checks or balances, they do not even have to answer to the electorate. They become a dictatorship.

But then you reds are more interested in Dictatorship than Democracy!

Comedy ggold.

I've got something that will fix your stutter

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[rreddin]

 
“We can’t even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to 
democratic rule,” she said.

In other words she admits the PTP are not a Democracy. They are ruled by a dictator living in Dubai and use armed thugs to enforce and intimidate their opposition.

It does not say what you want it to say, so you conclusion is wrong. Not that you can see beyond your own prejudices.

[Old Man River]

" ... the caretaker PM said she would accept the court’s verdict as long as she is treated equally, using the same standards (as other politicians) "

This is the big problem with Yingluck and Pheu Thai. They are not unequivocal when it comes to the judgments of the courts. There is always a " as long as " tacked on. Which means that Yingluck has not budged. Which means Pheu Thai has not budged. Which means the whole tension as to what Pheu Thai's reaction to the verdicts will be has not changed one iota. They seem to be preparing a narrative in advance, if they do not like the verdict of the Constitutional Court. And they are testing that narrative in public. The public - and the international community, unlike Pheu Thai - must therefore be unequivocal in their support of the judicial process and the judgments that are rendered from them. Period. There is no " as long as ". It's a period, Yingluck. It's a period.

Pheu Thai must state now - right now - that they will unequivocally accept the verdict of the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

Thais in general always tack on the "as long as." Once pointing out what was clearly written in a contract, I was told , "yes, but we didn't intend that." "As long as it happened in Thailand, we didn't intend what we wrote and signed." The next contract came out and sure enough it even said. "As long as" in 12 of the 22 points.

A point that those who do business here (not me- the big boys) have learned. It is the politicians who gobble up the comments about democracy and rule of law that local politicians throw around.

Noitom, this is why I love what you wrote and what Scamper wrote. He is saying what it should be, but expects it isn't, and you are saying what it has been, and expect it still is.

BTW, YL snubbed Prem today. Even some of the staunchest RS's are questioning this.

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[Halion]

I am sure she has a plan B which entails a private jet and a mountain of luggage and that she has paid far more attention to that than anything she ever did as PM

[TinoThailand]

She thinks Thai should be like "mai bpen rai"(positive, let go...) lmao

[northernjohn]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

It won't be her decision anyway. She's guided and steered and string-attached-controlled from Dubai and her bodyguards, (Kittirat, Surapong, etc.),,,, a PM barbie girl, who has no say and right or opinion.... everything arranged and scripted in Dubai....

"everything arranged and scripted in Dubai"

That Thaksin must be a busy boy, running an entire country from Dubai and all on mobile phones and skype, whilst simultaneously running his own businesses and interests.

Sounds unbelievable doesn't it?

That's because it is.

You must have missed all of the news articles, quotes from Thaksin and the PTP and the government about what the big boss said to do, about the Skype visits to cabinet meetings etc. True, he says he doesn't run the country, and then goes on and on about all the decisions he's making. Do the math. By the way, no one is claiming he issues traffic tickets or prepares financial statements or makes arrests. That's all handled by the government. It's just the decisions about what to do.

Kind of like he sends over the end results and gives free rein to make them happen legal or illegal makes no difference to him.

If illegal he will just say it is a political thing against him or just plain ignore it.

[TinoThailand]

She thinks Thai should be like "mai bpen rai"(positive, let go...) lmao

Seriously there is no democracy anywhere as far as I know. Iceland maybe? Taiwan maybe? Not my Netherlands or the USA. Not in Ukraine nor Thailand.

[moe666]

I'm watching hard talk on the BBC and one of the complaints about the world cup in Brazil was an expenditure of 12 billion dollars and some of it disappearing into corruption.

Puts the rice scheme into perspective

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Similar amounts to what have been "lost" on the rice scam. With the World Cup, at least the "income" from the event will likely well exceed any of the expenditure.

But FIFI have to be paid, these things have never made money for the host nation, look aat the Olympics

[moe666]

I have to wonder how long she will continue to suck that wheel chair for all its worth

[northernjohn]

She is beginning to sound as defeatist as her brother did once he knew the game was up.

Can a voluntary exile be far away for her too?

Indeed, seems that she has thrown the towel in the ring as she might have just realised that she has no defence on any of the cases under investigation by the NACC.

Now I wonder where we (and she) would be now if she had done the sensible and honourable thing and resigned back in December vowing never to return to politics again!!!

Three words that will never link together.

Sensible, Honorable and Shinawatra.

[northernjohn]

 
“We can’t even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to 
democratic rule,” she said.

In other words she admits the PTP are not a Democracy. They are ruled by a dictator living in Dubai and use armed thugs to enforce and intimidate their opposition.

It does not say what you want it to say, so you conclusion is wrong. Not that you can see beyond your own prejudices.

What does it say O wise red shirt one?

I merely copied it.

Not my fault it doesn't say what you want it to say.

[northernjohn]

" ... the caretaker PM said she would accept the court’s verdict as long as she is treated equally, using the same standards (as other politicians) "

This is the big problem with Yingluck and Pheu Thai. They are not unequivocal when it comes to the judgments of the courts. There is always a " as long as " tacked on. Which means that Yingluck has not budged. Which means Pheu Thai has not budged. Which means the whole tension as to what Pheu Thai's reaction to the verdicts will be has not changed one iota. They seem to be preparing a narrative in advance, if they do not like the verdict of the Constitutional Court. And they are testing that narrative in public. The public - and the international community, unlike Pheu Thai - must therefore be unequivocal in their support of the judicial process and the judgments that are rendered from them. Period. There is no " as long as ". It's a period, Yingluck. It's a period.

Pheu Thai must state now - right now - that they will unequivocally accept the verdict of the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

Thais in general always tack on the "as long as." Once pointing out what was clearly written in a contract, I was told , "yes, but we didn't intend that." "As long as it happened in Thailand, we didn't intend what we wrote and signed." The next contract came out and sure enough it even said. "As long as" in 12 of the 22 points.

A point that those who do business here (not me- the big boys) have learned. It is the politicians who gobble up the comments about democracy and rule of law that local politicians throw around.

Noitom, this is why I love what you wrote and what Scamper wrote. He is saying what it should be, but expects it isn't, and you are saying what it has been, and expect it still is.

BTW, YL snubbed Prem today. Even some of the staunchest RS's are questioning this.

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Not sure but I would be willing to believe that she thought he should come to her in Chiang Mai. Shinawatra ego.

[Torkmada]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

There's an even easier solution…..

Respect election results.

[Muhendis]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

Well said Bluespunk.

Add to that there has never been truly democratic rule in this country

[Maipenraika]

Bluespunk, corruption etc; I think just getting a government voted in will help, Thailand has lost so much money from the protesters causing havoc & creating dangerous situations . A country like this will take decades to stamp out corruption,if ever. Move forward ,have some one removed from the relevant politically party's explain to the "protesters" that this kind of action only hurts themselves in the long run. Tourism Thailands main industry has been hurt big time because of the protests,time for the force behind them to stop using the "little" people.

[Bluespunk]

"We cant even find an answer today on how to bring the country back to democratic rule, she said."

Well, that's not quite true. End corruption. End nepotism. Obey the law. Rule consensually. Disband street thug groups. Allow economists to be involved in policy making. No blanket amnesties. The guilty go to gaol.

There's an even easier solution..

Respect election results.

Nope. Elections decide who forms a govt. PT won and formed a govt. Fair enough. They then failed to rule in a manner that benifited Thailand, but rather put their own selfish desires first. Forming a govt means the ruling party has responsibilities towards the country. Yingluck and PT utterly failed to live up to these, that's why we have the current mess.