allan michaud Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> "For now the cause of death is being blamed on miscommunication between Monchai and the helicopter crew" How would a miscommunication cause him to fall out of a supposedly secure harness? 'Don't hit the harness release button' 'Hit the harness release button' As a cameraman I have hung out of several helicopters using a harness and I don't understand how this could have happened. Incompetent morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I just don't know how anything manages to work in this country. So many basic rules of safety and regulations are discarded or unobserved, I sometimes don't know how we avoid having the entire city collapse around our heads. Yes, why can't the Thais be more like the Americans who never have any training accidents..................................oh....wait a moment http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/20/army-helicopter-hard-landing-clayton-carpenter/4680575/ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/four-marines-killed-accident-california-base-f2D11591595 http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/the-tragedy-of-training-accidents/Officer_Training http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/22/report-cause-deadly-training-accident-that-killed-7-marines-was-human-error/ There are many, many more on google. It was an accident, accidents happen all over the world, sorry to interrupt the attack on Thai people with a dose of reality. Now, carry on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think Yok was more like....oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClutchClark Posted April 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) I just don't know how anything manages to work in this country. So many basic rules of safety and regulations are discarded or unobserved, I sometimes don't know how we avoid having the entire city collapse around our heads. Yes, why can't the Thais be more like the Americans who never have any training accidents..................................oh....wait a moment http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/20/army-helicopter-hard-landing-clayton-carpenter/4680575/ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/four-marines-killed-accident-california-base-f2D11591595 http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/the-tragedy-of-training-accidents/Officer_Training http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/22/report-cause-deadly-training-accident-that-killed-7-marines-was-human-error/ There are many, many more on google. It was an accident, accidents happen all over the world, sorry to interrupt the attack on Thai people with a dose of reality. Now, carry on. It was good of you to remind us that the US is not immune from safety training failures resulting in death; however, when considering the examples you provided encompass the entire US military force as well as the entire civilian Police force throughout the US that we are talking about a significantly larger group than the same Thai forces. In the US, such accidents are thoroughly investigated and mitigation efforts are practiced and responsible commanders are disciplined. I have not been in thailand long enough to know if the same post-accident protocols are practiced here--can you shed some light on that? To each their own but my personal choice would be to receive safety training in the US, Canada, Australia or Western Europe--but I respect your choice of opting for Thailand. BTW, I have a couple of passes for a bungee jumping operation in Muang District of Phuket I am not going to use. You're free to have them ;-) Edited April 24, 2014 by ClutchClark 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toooa Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Very sad that a man who may have a wife and children should die for no reason. My condolences to his loved ones. Yes that is sad, but then how many men that do haves wives and children have died for no reason or had their lives and families destroyed by the enthusiastic use and abuse of state power by those who enjoy its monopoly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Bit old for that type of carry on. RIP Having done chopper rescue using a harness for offshore work, I am struggling to see how he fell out the harness You would not believe how many professional solders have died doing this, some are that engrossed in what they are doing some even forget to get hold of the rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malthus101 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 "For now the cause of death is being blamed on miscommunication between Monchai and the helicopter crew." God, even Thais can't communicate with each other, I thought it was a just a Thai/Falang problem. Many times I would ask a Thai person, "How do you say this word in Thai?" they would tell me. Then I would use the word with another Thai and they would explain, "You never use that word that way in the Thai language" - I swear there are some major problems in communication. This accident is why I would also never trust any dangerous sport in Thailand like rock-climbing or sky-diving - Hell No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I just don't know how anything manages to work in this country. So many basic rules of safety and regulations are discarded or unobserved, I sometimes don't know how we avoid having the entire city collapse around our heads. Congratulations on your chicken little impersonation ;-) "The sky is falling...the sky is falling...I must go tell the King." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorri Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 media, on 24 Apr 2014 - 10:06, said:(with sympathy) A tough lesson learned they clearly were not in a fit state to rescue anyone, Imagine if he fell with the person he was supposed to be rescuing as well ! - shouldn't they be practicing over water while they master these moves? Mmmm, "a tough lesson learned," we can only hope so, but I for one doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorri Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 tracker1, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:14, said:SAD so many avoidable incidences happening here A little more care, attention and knowledge needed I think. RIP What happens so often is Thailand "copying" what others do, but lack the knowledge, skills, training and ability to do it correctly and safely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorri Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Malthus101, on 24 Apr 2014 - 16:18, said: "For now the cause of death is being blamed on miscommunication between Monchai and the helicopter crew." God, even Thais can't communicate with each other, I thought it was a just a Thai/Falang problem. Many times I would ask a Thai person, "How do you say this word in Thai?" they would tell me. Then I would use the word with another Thai and they would explain, "You never use that word that way in the Thai language" - I swear there are some major problems in communication. This accident is why I would also never trust any dangerous sport in Thailand like rock-climbing or sky-diving - Hell No. Have you ever been on a trip with ,some Thais (if I don't say some then I will be suspended...again), they know where they want to go, but often not know how to get there, so it take numerous stops at shops, servos private house etc, to ask directions, the funny thing is, some of those giving direction only "THINK" that is the way to go, even when I, a farang, using GPS, tell them it is the wrong way, do they believe me ...no way 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
899cc Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Bit old for that type of carry on. RIP Having done chopper rescue using a harness for offshore work, I am struggling to see how he fell out the harness His gamberlings debt's went over the house rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Hard bastard survived for a hour after the fall. And then the medical services turned up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sad story for the family and friends. RIP. It's always good to remember.... we're not in a 1st world country! If you check in Wikipedia, we ARE in a 1st World country. Facts and "Feel good" claims are not always the same ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> "For now the cause of death is being blamed on miscommunication between Monchai and the helicopter crew" How would a miscommunication cause him to fall out of a supposedly secure harness? 'Don't hit the harness release button' 'Hit the harness release button' As a cameraman I have hung out of several helicopters using a harness and I don't understand how this could have happened. Incompetent morons. C'mon all you ex Special Service guys languishing down in deepest Pattaya bar land, give a few examples of how you "had to hang out of helicopters" we love these thrilling tales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Officer dies from fall out of a helicopter Monthien Inthaket The Nation BANGKOK: -- A POLICEMAN succumbed to serious injuries sustained from a fall from a helicopter onto inbound Vibhavadi Road in Bangkok's Chatuchak district yesterday during an air-rescue rehearsal. Pol Snr Sgt-Major Monchai Boonpairoj, 52, was pronounced dead at Kasemrad Hospital Prachachuen at 1.30pm. The drill, held by Provincial Police Region 1 and Police Aviation Division, involved two helicopters, each of which had four police officers onboard, explained Provincial Police Region 1 chief Pol Lt-General Nares Nathachote, who later visited the injured officer in hospital. Citing an initial report, Nares said during the rehearsal, Monchai's leg got entangled with a sling while onboard before he fell out of the helicopter near the Vibhavadi-Rangsit traffic police station. Nares has instructed a fact-finding committee to investigate what happened and what caused this fall. Monchai's body was transferred to the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Police General Hospital for autopsy. -- The Nation 2014-04-24 Don't see much sign of his harness here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Basil B, on 24 Apr 2014 - 00:15, said: surangw, on 23 Apr 2014 - 21:26, said:was the harness made in Thailand ? I would have more confidence than if it were made in China. All safety equipment should pass recognised safety standards, no matter where they are made. And that include Quality Control during manufacture of not only the product but all the materials that go into it, China has a very bad record on Quality Control and corners are cut if they can source materials elsewhere cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostintime Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Thai's and helicopters don't mix. I think they should send up the entire police force on training exercises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Thai's and helicopters don't mix. I think they should send up the entire police force on training exercises. But aren't nearly all Thai police qualified paratroops already? That is why most of them wear the winged badge so proudly on their uniforms..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) RIP to Senior police Sgt. Maj. Monchai Boonpairoj another high ranking intelligent police officer who knows absolutely everything there is to know about everthing including the safety procedures regarding harness fitting method statements and risk assessments, might take a bit of reading to understand guidelines though. Edited April 27, 2014 by metisdead Font fixed again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiisnotrequired Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Maybe the rope snapped or the winch failed. The report doesn't actually say that he fell from the harness. You wouldn't normally have your arms stretched out as he had if you were in a controlled drop and the photo definitely shows the rope still attached [to him] Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Maybe he was doing a Thai special forces low parachute drop, got into the freefall position, and as he pulled his cord.... THUD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thai's and helicopters don't mix. I think they should send up the entire police force on training exercises. But aren't nearly all Thai police qualified paratroops already? That is why most of them wear the winged badge so proudly on their uniforms..... i think those wings denote they drink red bull, it gives them wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 outside guy: THE ROTORS ARE TOO LOUD, I CANNOT HEAR! inside guy: DROP YOU OFF HERE? YES SIR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 So was he porking the pilot's wife or the winchman's wife? Or maybe he was porking the winchman who was the pilot's BF Or ... or... ???? RIP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm glad so many douchbags find this incident amusing. Snide little remarks and comments from people with little testicles, either spent their life hiding behind desks, risking all with their 9-5 jobs balancing company books or bludging off western welfare. My thoughts are with this brave man who died during a training exercise, one where he was practising in order to be more efficient in the process of rescuing others. My thoughts are with his family and friends, including his colleagues. Of corse there's always those posters here at TV that are quick to lump crap onto the cops. There was even a douchebag in another thread here claiming that all Police are hated worldwide, they're all bad, people like that make me sick and of course they have absolutely have no idea, they only see the bad. Time for some people to wake up ! Hopefully the reason for this tragic accident is realised and steps taken to prevent it from occurring again are put into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Thai's and helicopters don't mix. I think they should send up the entire police force on training exercises. But aren't nearly all Thai police qualified paratroops already? That is why most of them wear the winged badge so proudly on their uniforms..... i think those wings denote they drink red bull, it gives them wings This particular policemen certainly needed wings...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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