Woman drug dealer arrested, Bt100 million in assets frozen

[Tom420]

Legalize drugs?

Define drugs.

You can't lump all drugs in the "legalize drugs" argument. Do you realize how dumb that is?

I think most people mean "weed" when they say "drugs", but to even consider legalizing Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy etc. is just plain ignorant and stupid.

...but fall back on your alcohol and tobacco arguments...the 2 legal "drugs" that kill more people than any other. It makes you look smart.

Dimwits.

Who are you calling "dimwit", and why?

MDMA is not as harmful as you might think. Netherlands were even considering to classify it as a soft drug, in the same category as cannabis (which is freely consumed there).

How much reading have you done on the topic of drugs? If you find it too difficult to read (e.g. makes you fall asleep), then there are plenty of good videos on YouTube to watch. Here are just two:

Would you call the professor in the above video "dimwit"?

I'm calling all those dimwits that use the uneducated and ignorant statement "legalize drugs" as some sort of catch-all for rationalizing of their drug of choice.

Just you have picked out one drug from the list, in this case MDMA, and ignored the other drugs. How convenient. But like most drugs MDMA is made in labs, and cut with whatever available, from cocaine, meth, opiates or rat poison. So anyone categorically stating MDMA is "safe" or "not as dangerous as I think" is probably not thinking clearly (at best).

I'm not here to debate which drugs are more dangerous and which are not.

I'm here to debate the dimwit statement "legalize drugs", because the statement implies legalizing "all drugs" and that is plain stupid and dangerous.

I knew who you were addressing and I picked up on MDMA from your list of Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy because in reality it is nowhere near as bad for your health or society as the others in your little list you have there.

[toooa]

Legalize drugs?

Define drugs.

You can't lump all drugs in the "legalize drugs" argument. Do you realize how dumb that is?

I think most people mean "weed" when they say "drugs", but to even consider legalizing Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy etc. is just plain ignorant and stupid.

...but fall back on your alcohol and tobacco arguments...the 2 legal "drugs" that kill more people than any other. It makes you look smart.

Dimwits.

The alcohol / tobacco vs illegal stuff argument is a perfectly good argument. It highlights the hypocrisy of having two opposing rules for things which which all share similar characteristics (in that they are psychoactive drugs). Anyone who can't think their way through this is either stupid or naive. Next, it is empirical that prohibition simply creates more drugs. Legalization of everything, if left to the free market would solve most of the "problems" which are mostly a result of the law rather than the substances themselves. Sure, some things like meth can be pretty nasty, but building more jails isn't the solution. After spending years locked up would you be more or less likely to find solace in substances? Look at the US - crazy. More prisoners than even China.

Of course, if drug crimes were no longer "crimes", imagine the massive budget cuts to the state security apparatus.... a significant portion of society is suckling on the teat of state power even as we speak... legalization of drugs means the teat will shrivel up with nery a drop more sustainance...this my friend is the crux of the matter. Am I wrong?

[DLock]

Legalize drugs?

Define drugs.

You can't lump all drugs in the "legalize drugs" argument. Do you realize how dumb that is?

I think most people mean "weed" when they say "drugs", but to even consider legalizing Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy etc. is just plain ignorant and stupid.

...but fall back on your alcohol and tobacco arguments...the 2 legal "drugs" that kill more people than any other. It makes you look smart.

Dimwits.

The alcohol / tobacco vs illegal stuff argument is a perfectly good argument. It highlights the hypocrisy of having two opposing rules for things which which all share similar characteristics (in that they are psychoactive drugs). Anyone who can't think their way through this is either stupid or naive. Next, it is empirical that prohibition simply creates more drugs. Legalization of everything, if left to the free market would solve most of the "problems" which are mostly a result of the law rather than the substances themselves. Sure, some things like meth can be pretty nasty, but building more jails isn't the solution. After spending years locked up would you be more or less likely to find solace in substances? Look at the US - crazy. More prisoners than even China.

Of course, if drug crimes were no longer "crimes", imagine the massive budget cuts to the state security apparatus.... a significant portion of society is suckling on the teat of state power even as we speak... legalization of drugs means the teat will shrivel up with nery a drop more sustainance...this my friend is the crux of the matter. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

Using the hypocrisy of the legality of the 2 drugs that kill as many people as they do as a crutch to legalize yet more drugs to let people kill themselves and others is a dumb argument.

"Legalization of everything, if left to the free market would solve most of the "problems" which are mostly a result of the law rather than the substances themselves"

You started on the wrong premise and continued down it until your post made zero sense.

[how241]

Tip of an iceberg! They can afford to loose 10%

+1...loses are all part of the drug business. The profits are SO very high, it doesn't hurt them.

[Tom420]

Legalize drugs?

Define drugs.

You can't lump all drugs in the "legalize drugs" argument. Do you realize how dumb that is?

I think most people mean "weed" when they say "drugs", but to even consider legalizing Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy etc. is just plain ignorant and stupid.

...but fall back on your alcohol and tobacco arguments...the 2 legal "drugs" that kill more people than any other. It makes you look smart.

Dimwits.

The alcohol / tobacco vs illegal stuff argument is a perfectly good argument. It highlights the hypocrisy of having two opposing rules for things which which all share similar characteristics (in that they are psychoactive drugs). Anyone who can't think their way through this is either stupid or naive. Next, it is empirical that prohibition simply creates more drugs. Legalization of everything, if left to the free market would solve most of the "problems" which are mostly a result of the law rather than the substances themselves. Sure, some things like meth can be pretty nasty, but building more jails isn't the solution. After spending years locked up would you be more or less likely to find solace in substances? Look at the US - crazy. More prisoners than even China.

Of course, if drug crimes were no longer "crimes", imagine the massive budget cuts to the state security apparatus.... a significant portion of society is suckling on the teat of state power even as we speak... legalization of drugs means the teat will shrivel up with nery a drop more sustainance...this my friend is the crux of the matter. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

Using the hypocrisy of the legality of the 2 drugs that kill as many people as they do as a crutch to legalize yet more drugs to let people kill themselves and others is a dumb argument.

"Legalization of everything, if left to the free market would solve most of the "problems" which are mostly a result of the law rather than the substances themselves"

You started on the wrong premise and continued down it until your post made zero sense.

The two main problems are that firstly the drug classing systems do not correleate with data about how substances cause suffering, death and problems to society, and secondly that with such drugs being illegal it makes them very hard to study for medical purposes. I am not one for all out legalization, but things need to be reshuffled so that there is actually a degree of logic in the classing systems, which at the moment there is next to zero of.

[Eliot Rosewater]

Yes, that works quite well. As we all know, countries which do that are completely drug free; a veritable utopia

No they are not drug free but they are free of one more person supplying drugs to kids and destroying their lives.

I suggest you join the 21st century

Well to each his/her own my friend. If you say I am still living in another century then you are free to your opinion. I'm just happy that I lived in a period during my childhood and formative years where people were taught to take responsibility for their own actions. A time when farmers could leave a small vegetable stand unattended by the side of the road with a cigar box for people buying vegetables to place their money. A time when the words politically correct had not been invented. A time when the entire family sat down at the table for the dinner meal. A time that if I got a whipping at school, I got another one when I got home. These and other things sadly have been lost in the 21st century. So what ever century I'm living in I am happy.

Must have been a lovely time; wives knew their place and didn't complain when you beat them, if the black folk got too uppity the locals would have a lynching, oh glory days

[tingtongdingdong]

Why does anyone need 100 billion baht ??

[Skint]

Why does anyone need 100 billion baht ??

Its easily burned in Thailand

[Pimay1]

No they are not drug free but they are free of one more person supplying drugs to kids and destroying their lives.

I suggest you join the 21st century

Well to each his/her own my friend. If you say I am still living in another century then you are free to your opinion. I'm just happy that I lived in a period during my childhood and formative years where people were taught to take responsibility for their own actions. A time when farmers could leave a small vegetable stand unattended by the side of the road with a cigar box for people buying vegetables to place their money. A time when the words politically correct had not been invented. A time when the entire family sat down at the table for the dinner meal. A time that if I got a whipping at school, I got another one when I got home. These and other things sadly have been lost in the 21st century. So what ever century I'm living in I am happy.

Must have been a lovely time; wives knew their place and didn't complain when you beat them, if the black folk got too uppity the locals would have a lynching, oh glory days

Sir your post speaks for itself and reveals volumes about you. Hopefully you will someday become mature enough to realize the virtues of responsibility, honesty, family and not judging all people of a certain era by the actions of a few. And yes it was a lovely time in my life. Apologies for removing your origional quote but I had to in order to respond. Too many quotes.

[GuestHouse]

Drug kingpin Suchada Tuanpa or “Je Pen”, remains on the lam.

[Eliot Rosewater]

Legalize drugs?

Define drugs.

You can't lump all drugs in the "legalize drugs" argument. Do you realize how dumb that is?

I think most people mean "weed" when they say "drugs", but to even consider legalizing Heroin, Meth, Ice, Crack, Krokodil, Ecstasy etc. is just plain ignorant and stupid.

...but fall back on your alcohol and tobacco arguments...the 2 legal "drugs" that kill more people than any other. It makes you look smart.

Dimwits.

Heroin and cocaine used to be completely legal. Coca-Cola contained cocaine and you could by paragoric and laudanum and heroin based cough syrup and tonics at any drug store.

For some reason, society didn't collapse.

[hyperdimension]

I'm calling all those dimwits that use the uneducated and ignorant statement "legalize drugs" as some sort of catch-all for rationalizing of their drug of choice.

Just you have picked out one drug from the list, in this case MDMA, and ignored the other drugs. How convenient. But like most drugs MDMA is made in labs, and cut with whatever available, from cocaine, meth, opiates or rat poison. So anyone categorically stating MDMA is "safe" or "not as dangerous as I think" is probably not thinking clearly (at best).

You are referring to stuff that may be sold as MDMA on the street / black market, whereas I and most others who talk about drugs mean the pure chemical forms. The pure form of MDMA is relatively quite safe when compared with pure forms of other drugs. I agree that what may be passed as "MDMA" on the street may not be pure MDMA or be mixed with other contaminants (either intentionally or not), which can make it more dangerous to take. Legalization would allow production of high purity MDMA just like drugs that you can get at a pharmacy. In Thailand even the Government Pharmaceutaical Organization (GPO) could manufacture it, just as it manufactures other drugs like Sidegra (Thai brand of Sildenafil or "Viagra"). This would wipe out the black market of the drug and bring in huge profits for the government (and I'm quite certain that profits were the primary motivation for manufacturing Sidegra).

I picked out MDMA because it has a very high enjoyment-to-risks ratio, so it would be good if it would be the next drug to consider for legalization after cannabis. I have read and watched widely about it and have experienced its extremely enjoyable effects in my younger days. It is the drug that is as close to perfect as a party drug can be, with the only main negative factor being the comedown after the amazing experience. This old documentary from 22 years ago describes very accurately the MDMA experience and party culture back in the 1990s:

Ethanol is extremely poor as a party drug in comparison. It is disappointing that it is the only currently accepted and legal party drug and has been scientifically determined to be much more harmful, i.e. enjoyment-to-risks ratio is far worse than MDMA.

Legalization can be done step-by-step, starting with the drugs that have been determined to be least harmful. It is good that cannabis is being increasingly legalized in USA, but Thailand should follow suit (just as it followed suit in the illegalization of currently illegal drugs). Heroin, crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine can be some of the last ones to legalize.

[Tom420]

I'm calling all those dimwits that use the uneducated and ignorant statement "legalize drugs" as some sort of catch-all for rationalizing of their drug of choice.

Just you have picked out one drug from the list, in this case MDMA, and ignored the other drugs. How convenient. But like most drugs MDMA is made in labs, and cut with whatever available, from cocaine, meth, opiates or rat poison. So anyone categorically stating MDMA is "safe" or "not as dangerous as I think" is probably not thinking clearly (at best).

You are referring to stuff that may be sold as MDMA on the street / black market, whereas I and most others who talk about drugs mean the pure chemical forms. The pure form of MDMA is relatively quite safe when compared with pure forms of other drugs. I agree that what may be passed as "MDMA" on the street may not be pure MDMA or be mixed with other contaminants (either intentionally or not), which can make it more dangerous to take. Legalization would allow production of high purity MDMA just like drugs that you can get at a pharmacy. In Thailand even the Government Pharmaceutaical Organization (GPO) could manufacture it, just as it manufactures other drugs like Sidegra (Thai brand of Sildenafil or "Viagra"). This would wipe out the black market of the drug and bring in huge profits for the government (and I'm quite certain that profits were the primary motivation for manufacturing Sidegra).

I picked out MDMA because it has a very high enjoyment-to-risks ratio, so it would be good if it would be the next drug to consider for legalization after cannabis. I have read and watched widely about it and have experienced its extremely enjoyable effects in my younger days. It is the drug that is as close to perfect as a party drug can be, with the only main negative factor being the comedown after the amazing experience. This old documentary from 22 years ago describes very accurately the MDMA experience and party culture back in the 1990s:

Ethanol is extremely poor as a party drug in comparison. It is disappointing that it is the only currently accepted and legal party drug and has been scientifically determined to be much more harmful, i.e. enjoyment-to-risks ratio is far worse than MDMA.

Legalization can be done step-by-step, starting with the drugs that have been determined to be least harmful. It is good that cannabis is being increasingly legalized in USA, but Thailand should follow suit (just as it followed suit in the illegalization of currently illegal drugs). Heroin, crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine can be some of the last ones to legalize.

Exactly this, I have had my fair share of experiences with all kinds of substances and I still consider MDMA my DOC, even though I have not used it in over 6 years now, for obvious reasons.

If it was legal then it would be a lot safer than buying it on the streets as I mentioned previously, it would be government made in top grade labs. That is only one issue though, mixing it with alcohol and other substances, too little or too much water are the other problems with it. However despite all of this I used it for 4 years almost every other week without fail and never had a bad time, it is impossible once that flood of serotonin hits your brain. Add to the fact it is not physically addictive and you cannot keep using it daily like most other drugs, it is therefore a very safe drug. Like professor Nutt has stated, horse riding is far more dangerous but that is encouraged by society, because it is legal.

People are going to use substances either way, so why not make them as safe as possible and then tax the hell out of it making governments a lot of money in the process? I personally would suggest the legalization of cannabis, mushrooms, DMT, MDMA, LSD, MDA and mesculine. All of those combined do not generate anywhere near to the figures that alcohol and cigarettes generate regarding health problems and social problems.

Edited April 24, 2014 by Tom420

[mrtoad]

Another thread that goes off topic. Yawn.

[mrtoad]

Another thread that goes off topic. Yawn.

[attrayant]

'Woman' is an adjective now?

[fasteddie]

Note to the Thai authorities, take a leaf from the Singaporean and the Malaysians book of

penalties for drug dealers, this country is awash with drugs and ill gotten loot fro drug dealing,

and matter how many millions and billions you will catch, the gains still out weigh the losses,

introduce similar laws to the US R.I.C.O laws and the mandatory death penalty to any one

who caught with drugs above a certain amount, that will make those drugs runners think twice...

Death for weed? Savage!