Kerry just delivered final warning to Russia

[baxida]

What is the question...we are to address on this post? None of us have a clue...you can not depend upon the news...it is mostly propaganda...

Try to keep an open mind. Do some research..right now we can find information in the internet which is not in the news, but make the most of it while we still can.

Evaluate. Draw up your own conclusions.

I look at history, and how the elite got where they are, and whats on their agenda.

[Baerboxer]

Kerry: The top US diplomat accused the Kremlin of “a full-throated effort to actively sabotage the democratic effort.”

Well thats a loan of baloney - it was the US with the EU as usual tagging along that engineered the removal of the democratically elected government & install a motley group of nationalists and neo-fascists.

What the US still hasn't grasped is it's intended expansion of NATO to Ukraine will not be accepted easily and will never be accepted in Crimea. The US won't be lumbered with the cost of allowing Ukraine into the EU - EU citizens will.

I'm not a big fan of Putin but am even less a fan of US foreign policy, especially when it is supported by the CIA.

The former Ukrainian president - democratically elected, but didn't behave democratically. Forced to flee and now appears to have been spending billions of state money (sounds familiar) and his lavish car and private art collections. Another tin pot fascist dictator of the old soviet school - just like the pigs from Animal Farm.

Putin was right with Crimea, although not in his methodology. A former USSR dictator, the Ukrainian Kruschev gave it the the Ukrain in the mid 1950"s. Stalin had previously deported the Crimean Tartars, so most residents were of Russian ethnicity. However, he's got greedy now and pushing his luck like most bully boy dictators do. If he gets Ukraine he'll go after more.

[schondie]

Kerry and the entire US State Department is a very very dangerous unit.

The US needs to take a step back unless they want a full scale conflict with Russia..... This is NOT a tin pot country we are talking about, this is a superstate with backing from China... It will NEVER yield to the US bully boy rhetoric.

A very tricky time is upon us, and as usual the yanks are stoking it.

It is time the UK pulled away from supporting this dumbass regime, because the UK will probably be the first target on the hit list while the US knows they will be the last and have the luxury of pulling back after plenty of damage has been done to its supporters.

Let's just hope if an attack is inevitable... They hit the US directly.

I repeat..... RUSSIA WON'T BACK DOWN... THEY HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE.

You are forgetting all the other players with very itchy fingers.

North Korea who is itching to attack the South and US has to help

China and Japan and US has to help

Iran, Syria and US has to help

Russia will only make more money out of it by supplying weapons, how exactly is US going to deal with all the players?

No I didn't forget any of those, I was just trying to stay on topic.

The US thinks it has the backing of half of the world and won't see it as spreading themselves too thinly.... But they have another thing coming... If any nation feels threatened by the likes of Russia and China, they will quickly do a U-Turn and leave the US holding the can.

at the moment the US are backing the Ukraine Neo-Nazi fascist regime in Kiev who have vowed to wipe out all Jews and Russians from Ukraine, even the ones born there.... They also back the Syrian rebels and are actively arming Al Qaida who are fighting alongside said rebels.

Like I said.... Even the EU can't force member states to join in an offensive against Russia, they don't have an army or air force yet, and the member states will withdraw their support if they feel threatened.... as usual the US wants to fight a war in someone else's back yard..... well it won't work this time... If they want to do that, then invade Russia directly instead of hiding behind their allies.

The US just used the Right Sector for helping to overthrow a democratically elected government and have now cut loose these fools as they achieved that. But I agree about your Syrian rebel comments, the US, UK and European Union have given support to known Al Qaida groups but now have the audacity to lecture and threaten Russia for trying to protect its citizens.

The Russians will have an ace up their sleeve as they are far more adept at diplomacy than the Americans. Bullies usually end up what they deserve - a bloodied nose.

How times have changed, the Russians used to be the bad guys but now the roles have reversed. I can't think of any Middle Eastern nations where the Russians have installed "democracy" after an invasion. Yes, I do feel Putin is far more of a politician than the nest of vipers in the US and UK.

[schondie]

Kerry and the entire US State Department is a very very dangerous unit.

The US needs to take a step back unless they want a full scale conflict with Russia..... This is NOT a tin pot country we are talking about, this is a superstate with backing from China... It will NEVER yield to the US bully boy rhetoric.

A very tricky time is upon us, and as usual the yanks are stoking it.

It is time the UK pulled away from supporting this dumbass regime, because the UK will probably be the first target on the hit list while the US knows they will be the last and have the luxury of pulling back after plenty of damage has been done to its supporters.

Let's just hope if an attack is inevitable... They hit the US directly.

I repeat..... RUSSIA WON'T BACK DOWN... THEY HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE.

You are forgetting all the other players with very itchy fingers.

North Korea who is itching to attack the South and US has to help

China and Japan and US has to help

Iran, Syria and US has to help

Russia will only make more money out of it by supplying weapons, how exactly is US going to deal with all the players?

No I didn't forget any of those, I was just trying to stay on topic.

The US thinks it has the backing of half of the world and won't see it as spreading themselves too thinly.... But they have another thing coming... If any nation feels threatened by the likes of Russia and China, they will quickly do a U-Turn and leave the US holding the can.

at the moment the US are backing the Ukraine Neo-Nazi fascist regime in Kiev who have vowed to wipe out all Jews and Russians from Ukraine, even the ones born there.... They also back the Syrian rebels and are actively arming Al Qaida who are fighting alongside said rebels.

Like I said.... Even the EU can't force member states to join in an offensive against Russia, they don't have an army or air force yet, and the member states will withdraw their support if they feel threatened.... as usual the US wants to fight a war in someone else's back yard..... well it won't work this time... If they want to do that, then invade Russia directly instead of hiding behind their allies.

The US just used the Right Sector for helping to overthrow a democratically elected government and have now cut loose these fools as they achieved that. But I agree about your Syrian rebel comments, the US, UK and European Union have given support to known Al Qaida groups but now have the audacity to lecture and threaten Russia for trying to protect its citizens.

The Russians will have an ace up their sleeve as they are far more adept at diplomacy than the Americans. Bullies usually end up what they deserve - a bloodied nose.

How times have changed, the Russians used to be the bad guys but now the roles have reversed. I can't think of any Middle Eastern nations (is somebody going to mention the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?) where the Russians have installed "democracy" after an invasion. Yes, I do feel Putin is far more of a politician than the nest of vipers in the US and UK.

Edited April 26, 2014 by schondie

[slipperylobster]

Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

Edited April 26, 2014 by slipperylobster

[F430murci]

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Actually, US can win and has won the conflicts, but they cannot change these country's thought processes or stop their infighting that will continue during the attempt to maintain security stages. US could have turned these little countries to rubble, or worse glass marbles, but US agenda was more surgical in nature.

What history has shown is an effort to fight wars surgically and by attempting to mitigate collateral damage does not work and leaves our troops exposed.

While Russia military capability has rebounded in the last 15 years, they still are perhaps somewhat limited. Russians, however, would fight a conflict without concern about collateral damage unlike US who is always worried about how the rest of the world views the US.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5629836

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[Pralaad]

So far Russia has done nothing to retaliate but clearly it will not last for ever.

US has frozen some bank accounts , so Russia really would not hesitate to say take all BP investments and others.

Next Russia can always stop trading in US$

Next, perhaps encourage some of its friends like NK or Iran to create "conflict"

This is one side of the scenario .

Other side is France ,along with a number of EU countries are not willing to impose sanctions or lose trade deals with Russia, not only because of gas but multi billion dollar trade deals.

One can only hope Kerry has got really strong support from all EU states otherwise US may once again end up in big boboo

[JesseFrank]

The world will make sure the costs for Russia will only grow” if Russia refuses to change course, Kerry said

The US flowing over of self importance once again, by claiming they are the world ?

[Pralaad]

obushma/Kerry threaten nothing but adding sanctions (the G-7 did), certainly not military action. Russia, China etc. laugh at the US, a paper tiger who's technologically advanced military can't win a war against a bunch of rag tag rebels. Like Vietnam, winning battles does not win a war, not in these days and times. The only people that he really threatens are American citizens that he has NSA, FBI, CIA etc. spying on and our whistle blowers. He certainly is no Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Populist, liberal or anything else resembling a President that cares about true democracy. Fascist maybe, certainly that is where the corporate police state is headed. He has done more to destroy the Constitution than cheney/bush et al and they belong in GitMo. He is nothing but a bankster/Wall Street puppet, a Manchurian president. Many hate him for all the wrong reasons, ah duh color, especially the right wing. Kerry is no longer part of the solution, he is part of the problem along with obushma. He is not the man I thought I once knew.

Actually, US can win and has won the conflicts, but they cannot change these country's thought processes or stop their infighting that will continue during the attempt to maintain security stages. US could have turned these little countries to rubble, or worse glass marbles, but US agenda was more surgical in nature.

What history has shown is an effort to fight wars surgically and by attempting to mitigate collateral damage does not work and leaves our troops exposed.

While Russia military capability has rebounded in the last 15 years, they still are perhaps somewhat limited. Russians, however, would fight a conflict without concern about collateral damage unlike US who is always worried about how the rest of the world views the US.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5629836

Do name conflicts where US has won or achieved it's objectives?

[slipperylobster]

They all make mistakes, including Obama. However, more on topic:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." --John Kerry

Not a great way to explain things to a soldier who enlisted knowing full well he would be serving in Iraq. But the point is well taken, education can enhance choices. For instance, several soldiers were West Point Graduates and were still serving in Iraq. His point hopefully did not infer that West Point Graduates were wrongly placed in Iraq, as they were educated men?

[slipperylobster]

obushma/Kerry threaten nothing but adding sanctions (the G-7 did), certainly not military action. Russia, China etc. laugh at the US, a paper tiger who's technologically advanced military can't win a war against a bunch of rag tag rebels. Like Vietnam, winning battles does not win a war, not in these days and times. The only people that he really threatens are American citizens that he has NSA, FBI, CIA etc. spying on and our whistle blowers. He certainly is no Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Populist, liberal or anything else resembling a President that cares about true democracy. Fascist maybe, certainly that is where the corporate police state is headed. He has done more to destroy the Constitution than cheney/bush et al and they belong in GitMo. He is nothing but a bankster/Wall Street puppet, a Manchurian president. Many hate him for all the wrong reasons, ah duh color, especially the right wing. Kerry is no longer part of the solution, he is part of the problem along with obushma. He is not the man I thought I once knew.

Actually, US can win and has won the conflicts, but they cannot change these country's thought processes or stop their infighting that will continue during the attempt to maintain security stages. US could have turned these little countries to rubble, or worse glass marbles, but US agenda was more surgical in nature.

What history has shown is an effort to fight wars surgically and by attempting to mitigate collateral damage does not work and leaves our troops exposed.

While Russia military capability has rebounded in the last 15 years, they still are perhaps somewhat limited. Russians, however, would fight a conflict without concern about collateral damage unlike US who is always worried about how the rest of the world views the US.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5629836

Do name conflicts where US has won or achieved it's objectives?

Revolutionary War

War of 1812

Banana Wars

Spanish American War

WWI

WWII

yeah...we had some

take up reading as an extra hobby...before asking these questions

Edited April 26, 2014 by slipperylobster

[schondie]

Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

I hope you're joking. Nobody is blaming the American people for the stupidity of your politicians.

This isn't the Cold War days, Russia has more than enough resources and doesn't need to expand its empire. They can cut of gas supplies to western Europe to make those countries see some sense.

I think you believe "Team America:World Police" is just an idiotic movie made by a couple of stoners.

Why doesn't America bring "democracy" to other dictatorships then? Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait and Kazakhstan to name a few? Hmm, let me ponder on double standards for a minute or twenty years.

[schondie]

Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

I hope you're joking. Nobody is blaming the American people for the stupidity of your politicians.

This isn't the Cold War days, Russia has more than enough resources and doesn't need to expand its empire. They can cut of gas supplies to western Europe to make those countries see some sense.

I think you believe "Team America:World Police" is just an idiotic movie made by a couple of stoners.

Why doesn't America bring "democracy" to other dictatorships then? Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait and Kazakhstan to name a few? Hmm, let me ponder on double standards for a minute or twenty years.

[F430murci]

So far Russia has done nothing to retaliate but clearly it will not last for ever.

US has frozen some bank accounts , so Russia really would not hesitate to say take all BP investments and others.

Next Russia can always stop trading in US$

Next, perhaps encourage some of its friends like NK or Iran to create "conflict"

This is one side of the scenario .

Other side is France ,along with a number of EU countries are not willing to impose sanctions or lose trade deals with Russia, not only because of gas but multi billion dollar trade deals.

One can only hope Kerry has got really strong support from all EU states otherwise US may once again end up in big boboo

As demonstrated before, you have zero knowledge or grasp on economic issues. Your China comments was based in pure ignorance and now this comment is not much better.

Russia can do zero to hurt US economy, except start a war with us. Russia holds a very modest amount of US treasuries. Micex will immediately tumble 10 to 15 percent the day tougher sanctions are imposed. US portfolio managers and investment bankers dealing in Russian markets, my wife inuded, have long since shielded, hedged or pulled back Russian/emerging market investments subject to exposure.

Russia waa alreasy teeterung in a full blown recession before Crimea and its credit rating is now poor with interest rates rising making it exceedingly more difficult for Russian banks and corporations to finance themselves. Their central bank will now have to further raise rates to defend exchange rate causing less growth and a deeper recession.

US can reduce oil prices by releases stock pile reserves sparking huge broader market sell offs that Russia cannot handle in its one stable appearing commodity. US can also compensate for EU for reduction of Energy imports from Russia making Russia virtually isolated.

Ruble already down 11% against dollar this year. I already addressed extraordinarily huge gap in between investment or money Russua has at risk in US and European markets and the amount US has at risk in Russia in another thread. US markets will likely go up when tough sanctions are imposed.

[slipperylobster]

Ummm Banana wars quite a while back

[billywjr]

For all u idiots saying for the us to go home and leave it. Ok. When a country attacks ur own then dont gonasking the us for any help. Hypocrites. Lets all preach about 'its not my problem and not my country so let russia bully ans steal land from ukraine just coz it is a bigger country.' All u people here r idiots. Simple as. And everybody from britain has no place to talk. U all r just angry the us has the power now and u lost it all. The once world power is nothing now but a small land that reflects as a puppy reliant on its bigger more powerful us brother. I cant wait for the us to turn their backs on ur own countries in time of need as u r preaching they should do to ukraine. Also china wont help russia in this one. They alreasy stated they dont back or agree with russia for not respecting ukraines soverign boundries. Losers all u all

[baxida]

Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

When you say 'We Americans' do you mean 'We' as in the American people or 'We' as in the American government? The reason I ask is because the American people do not have much to do with the government does...even now it's called a 'democracy' but it's really only the 1% Super-rich who dictate what America actually does via the puppet president.

I'm sure that if America had another JFK in office, then your government would be doing it right.

As for the people, well you guys are among the most patriotic people and friendliest that I have had the pleasure of meeting and working with and of whom are my good friends. It just saddens me that you good citizens voices aren't being heard by your plutocratic government. Or at least, that's how it looks as an outsider looking in.

I know that the government across the pond is far from perfect, but we at least, can protest our government without fear of being shot, pepper sprayed or thrown in jail without due process for fear of being a terrorist.

It really is a sad state of affairs.

[Pralaad]

So far Russia has done nothing to retaliate but clearly it will not last for ever.

US has frozen some bank accounts , so Russia really would not hesitate to say take all BP investments and others.

Next Russia can always stop trading in US$

Next, perhaps encourage some of its friends like NK or Iran to create "conflict"

This is one side of the scenario .

Other side is France ,along with a number of EU countries are not willing to impose sanctions or lose trade deals with Russia, not only because of gas but multi billion dollar trade deals.

One can only hope Kerry has got really strong support from all EU states otherwise US may once again end up in big boboo

As demonstrated before, you have zero knowledge or grasp on economic issues. Your China comments was based in pure ignorance and now this comment is not much better.

Russia can do zero to hurt US economy, except start a war with us. Russia holds a very modest amount of US treasuries. Micex will immediately tumble 10 to 15 percent the day tougher sanctions are imposed. US portfolio managers and investment bankers dealing in Russian markets, my wife inuded, have long since shielded, hedged or pulled back Russian/emerging market investments subject to exposure.

Russia waa alreasy teeterung in a full blown recession before Crimea and its credit rating is now poor with interest rates rising making it exceedingly more difficult for Russian banks and corporations to finance themselves. Their central bank will now have to further raise rates to defend exchange rate causing less growth and a deeper recession.

US can reduce oil prices by releases stock pile reserves sparking huge broader market sell offs that Russia cannot handle in its one stable appearing commodity. US can also compensate for EU for reduction of Energy imports from Russia making Russia virtually isolated.

Ruble already down 11% against dollar this year. I already addressed extraordinarily huge gap in between investment or money Russua has at risk in US and European markets and the amount US has at risk in Russia in another thread. US markets will likely go up when tough sanctions are imposed.

As have said before, but it was deleted, Your pride of being American is applaudable, but your understanding needs some serious growth. Why do not you ask your wife if Russia can hurt US economically

What recession are you talking about? US is printing money like micky mouse stickers with trillions in debt,

US can release oil reserves to reduce the prices? and who will it hurt?

May be you did not know but Russia is an oil rich country, http://www.whichcountry.co/top-10-largest-oilI-producing-countries-in-the-world/

I am sorry but i will not be wasting my time educating, you can believe whatever you like and time will tell.which one of us was/is right or wrong

[hard124get]

It shouldn't be difficult. If Poland, the Ukraine and the EU tell the US to go home, I am sure they will.

The politicians of some of those countries may be bought off or threatened by the US. The people overwhelmingly want an end to USA world policing. Are we expected to believe that US politicians care about the people of Iraq, Ukraine etc when they let their own people rot in the water after Hurricane Katrina.

[slipperylobster]

Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

When you say 'We Americans' do you mean 'We' as in the American people or 'We' as in the American government? The reason I ask is because the American people do not have much to do with the government does...even now it's called a 'democracy' but it's really only the 1% Super-rich who dictate what America actually does via the puppet president.

I'm sure that if America had another JFK in office, then your government would be doing it right.

As for the people, well you guys are among the most patriotic people and friendliest that I have had the pleasure of meeting and working with and of whom are my good friends. It just saddens me that you good citizens voices aren't being heard by your plutocratic government. Or at least, that's how it looks as an outsider looking in.

I know that the government across the pond is far from perfect, but we at least, can protest our government without fear of being shot, pepper sprayed or thrown in jail without due process for fear of being a terrorist.

It really is a sad state of affairs.

No need of pity. I think we will be just fine and dandy. A few short years you will be scoffing at Sarah Palin, I suppose. Would not really matter who was running the show. Crazy thing is....folks across the pond think the Government is a dictatorship which rules with unquestionable authority. Old Richard Nixon would be laughing now. It seems the good guys swapped hats with the bad guys. Even more askewed is the opinion that all Americans are of the same ilk. Nonsense.... it is about as diverse as it gets... . What rattles my chain is that everyone looks at us like the King of the Mountain....and here are these unwitted people trying to drag us off. The funny part is....everything we do is wrong. How is that? Nobody else does anything ...but when America takes action...its like little birds in the nest pecking away at the leftovers in our beaks. Just alot of jealous rage with nonsensical allegations of conspiracies, flying saucers, green men, and paper tiger theories. Garbage.

[Loptr]

This is your Final Warning ! We have drawn a Red Line in the Sand ! Act now or else we send Hillary in to kick Putin's @ss !

Or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down. Can the US be any more lame? Never mind, it was a rhetorical question.

[hard124get]

USA has lost all credibility in the world Mr Kerry. We are all saying GO HOME AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS !

Where are you from...?

Don't dodge this question eh.......................

I am a citizen of the world. Why do you ask? Is it so you can criticise which ever country I am from?

[slipperylobster]

This is your Final Warning ! We have drawn a Red Line in the Sand ! Act now or else we send Hillary in to kick Putin's @ss !

Or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down. Can the US be any more lame? Never mind, it was a rhetorical question.

Actually, Hillary would be more than a match for Putin. Ask Bill

I don't do fairy tales.

[Credo]

It shouldn't be difficult. If Poland, the Ukraine and the EU tell the US to go home, I am sure they will.

The politicians of some of those countries may be bought off or threatened by the US. The people overwhelmingly want an end to USA world policing. Are we expected to believe that US politicians care about the people of Iraq, Ukraine etc when they let their own people rot in the water after Hurricane Katrina.

So your politicians can be bought off? I don't think that's exactly true and I don't think the US would be interested in paying them off.

[sgtsabai]

baxida, that is also how it looks to an insider that can actually see the forest through the trees. Unfortunately many good Americans watch faux news (propaganda) and become ignorant. Even some of us from the South have functional brain cells. Our schools do not teach real history (never really did except in college), geography, civics, government, the Constitution etc. that some of us were fortunate to have learned, even if we hated it at the time. I do not believe that is accidental. In general Americans, especially those over here are good people. John Kerry was a good, albeit power seeking, man when I knew him. Power corrupts.

[Pralaad]

It shouldn't be difficult. If Poland, the Ukraine and the EU tell the US to go home, I am sure they will.

The politicians of some of those countries may be bought off or threatened by the US. The people overwhelmingly want an end to USA world policing. Are we expected to believe that US politicians care about the people of Iraq, Ukraine etc when they let their own people rot in the water after Hurricane Katrina.

So your politicians can be bought off? I don't think that's exactly true and I don't think the US would be interested in paying them off.

US does not pay off, it just blackmails

Cut off aid or cut off from banking and so on

[slipperylobster]

USA has lost all credibility in the world Mr Kerry. We are all saying GO HOME AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS !

Where are you from...?

Don't dodge this question eh.......................

I am a citizen of the world. Why do you ask? Is it so you can criticise which ever country I am from?

No...perhaps just put you on the "watch" list....

I am kind of observing this thread....turns out, as I joyfully puruse all the "I hate American" posts, that there are some conspiracies of the lowest level going on. A consortium of gals with bunched up panties that did not get their social security checks on time. You know the type, that sit around and speak gloom and doom, stare blankly at a boring soccer match, whisper to each other about obnoxious Americans gone wild (who just really don't give a damn what that Belgian Waffle thing is) . It is quite sad.

Cheer up folks.

[F430murci]

So far Russia has done nothing to retaliate but clearly it will not last for ever.

US has frozen some bank accounts , so Russia really would not hesitate to say take all BP investments and others.

Next Russia can always stop trading in US$

Next, perhaps encourage some of its friends like NK or Iran to create "conflict"

This is one side of the scenario .

Other side is France ,along with a number of EU countries are not willing to impose sanctions or lose trade deals with Russia, not only because of gas but multi billion dollar trade deals.

One can only hope Kerry has got really strong support from all EU states otherwise US may once again end up in big boboo

As demonstrated before, you have zero knowledge or grasp on economic issues. Your China comments was based in pure ignorance and now this comment is not much better.

Russia can do zero to hurt US economy, except start a war with us. Russia holds a very modest amount of US treasuries. Micex will immediately tumble 10 to 15 percent the day tougher sanctions are imposed. US portfolio managers and investment bankers dealing in Russian markets, my wife inuded, have long since shielded, hedged or pulled back Russian/emerging market investments subject to exposure.

Russia waa alreasy teeterung in a full blown recession before Crimea and its credit rating is now poor with interest rates rising making it exceedingly more difficult for Russian banks and corporations to finance themselves. Their central bank will now have to further raise rates to defend exchange rate causing less growth and a deeper recession.

US can reduce oil prices by releases stock pile reserves sparking huge broader market sell offs that Russia cannot handle in its one stable appearing commodity. US can also compensate for EU for reduction of Energy imports from Russia making Russia virtually isolated.

Ruble already down 11% against dollar this year. I already addressed extraordinarily huge gap in between investment or money Russua has at risk in US and European markets and the amount US has at risk in Russia in another thread. US markets will likely go up when tough sanctions are imposed.

As have said before, but it was deleted, Your pride of being American is applaudable, but your understanding needs some serious growth. Why do not you ask your wife if Russia can hurt US economically

What recession are you talking about? US is printing money like micky mouse stickers with trillions in debt,

US can release oil reserves to reduce the prices? and who will it hurt?

May be you did not know but Russia is an oil rich country, http://www.whichcountry.co/top-10-largest-oilI-producing-countries-in-the-world/

I am sorry but i will not be wasting my time educating, you can believe whatever you like and time will tell.which one of us was/is right or wrong

Rising oil prices would destabilize the only commodity keeping Russia out of a full blown economic melt down.

I am not chest thumping. I am speaking economic facts not subjective beliefs.

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Much of the success of the Russian economy under Vladimir Putin over the past 13-14 years has been largely attributed to high oil and commodity prices, so if oil prices fall, Russia could be heavily exposed.

Oil prices are the Achilles heel of the Russian economy, according to Robert Bensh, an advisor to Mr. Boyko on Western capital markets and political systems.

Twelve years ago, the Russian federal budget balanced at $22 per barrel for oil. Today it is at $110 per barrel, said Bensh, who has been leading oil and gas companies in Ukraine for 13 years.

And if the US could get OPEC to help put further pressure on oil prices, the effect would be much more significant.

Imagine a fall to $80 per barrel and the concomitant affect that would have on an already recessed Russian economy, its balance sheet and its markets. At $80 or lower, the Russian economy would head deeper into recession, the budget and current accounts would run significant deficits, capital flight would accelerate markedly, depleting FX reserves and putting hefty downside pressure on the [Russian] ruble.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Using-Oil-to-Fight-Russian-Gas-Politics-in-Ukraine.html

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Kerry and the entire US State Department is a very very dangerous unit.

The US needs to take a step back unless they want a full scale conflict with Russia..... This is NOT a tin pot country we are talking about, this is a superstate with backing from China... It will NEVER yield to the US bully boy rhetoric.

A very tricky time is upon us, and as usual the yanks are stoking it.

It is time the UK pulled away from supporting this dumbass regime, because the UK will probably be the first target on the hit list while the US knows they will be the last and have the luxury of pulling back after plenty of damage has been done to its supporters.

Let's just hope if an attack is inevitable... They hit the US directly.

I repeat..... RUSSIA WON'T BACK DOWN... THEY HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE.

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It's always a pleasure to read informed posts by members such as yourself.

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Well Sweet Jesus, I suppose since we Americans are always doing it wrong, that perhaps we just go ahead and play dead for twenty years....like ole Rip Van Winkle did. Wake up in the forest with a long beer, scratch our lazy backsides, and look over that big pond to check on the EU. Let them monkeys fix everything up their own way. I bet there might be a few of those Brits, Germans, and whatever left to tell the story. Paris will be looking just as Romantic in the Spring with the Kremlin parked in Versailles.

When you say 'We Americans' do you mean 'We' as in the American people or 'We' as in the American government? The reason I ask is because the American people do not have much to do with the government does...even now it's called a 'democracy' but it's really only the 1% Super-rich who dictate what America actually does via the puppet president.

I'm sure that if America had another JFK in office, then your government would be doing it right.

As for the people, well you guys are among the most patriotic people and friendliest that I have had the pleasure of meeting and working with and of whom are my good friends. It just saddens me that you good citizens voices aren't being heard by your plutocratic government. Or at least, that's how it looks as an outsider looking in.

I know that the government across the pond is far from perfect, but we at least, can protest our government without fear of being shot, pepper sprayed or thrown in jail without due process for fear of being a terrorist.

It really is a sad state of affairs.

No need of pity. I think we will be just fine and dandy. A few short years you will be scoffing at Sarah Palin, I suppose. Would not really matter who was running the show. Crazy thing is....folks across the pond think the Government is a dictatorship which rules with unquestionable authority. Old Richard Nixon would be laughing now. It seems the good guys swapped hats with the bad guys. Even more askewed is the opinion that all Americans are of the same ilk. Nonsense.... it is about as diverse as it gets... . What rattles my chain is that everyone looks at us like the King of the Mountain....and here are these unwitted people trying to drag us off. The funny part is....everything we do is wrong. How is that? Nobody else does anything ...but when America takes action...its like little birds in the nest pecking away at the leftovers in our beaks. Just alot of jealous rage with nonsensical allegations of conspiracies, flying saucers, green men, and paper tiger theories. Garbage.

Point taken..

Your only comment which has me once again is that of "everything we do is wrong. How is that? Nobody else does anything ...but when America takes action.."

Remember that all actions have consequences, and people who don't learn from history will repeat it.

Now, I ask you this - Why does America always have to "do something"?

LOL.....

thats it.... lets all sit around and drink a beer instead. Play with our <deleted>. What ???

tell me you are seriously thinking that things always just work out by themselves.....

I am outta here. it just gets dumber and dumber