July election goes ahead even if Yingluck is ousted: EC

[Skywalker69]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Yes, but he want it to be the truth. So he will be repeating him self.

Edited May 3, 2014 by Skywalker69

[ginjag]

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Oh dear, for what seems like the hundredth time: when all those millions of people voted for PT, which allowed them (PT) to win a clear majority of seats in parliament, they cast their votes in the full knowledge that a vote for PT was a vote, amongst other things, for Yingluck as prime minister.

You may argue that she is unqualified, inexperienced, incompetent, corrupt, a puppet; you may dislike her intensely, (I rather gather that is the case, but then you seem to dislike an awful lot of things intensely); but you cannot change the fact that she was installed as Prime Minister constitutionally, with the clear consent of the electorate after an election recognised within Thailand and internationally as fair and open.

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All this BS---but at the end of the day INSTALLED is the word, tell Moonao, he hasn't clicked yet.

I do not give a toss if she was from Montenegro, the fact is after all this waffle as per norm. She was a lousy P.M. and the PTP were the followers,

so all the democratically elected pills you talk about is NOT the point.

How they governed is. and now on it's knees----Sorry I don't swallow your pugwash.

You have lost some marbles if you think I hate the woman, I do not know her, I speak of her role over 3 years.

I'll ask you the same as all your 10 mates there, list me 3 years of memorable achievements PTP have helped Thailand with. ???? no answer on this sure---sums you lot up.

Isn't that strange, you make a statement, you're put right ,you lose the argument, then you say it's not the point anyway despite it being precisely the point you started the debate over and finally by way of deflection, you ask a completely unrelated question.

Poor, just poor.

Put me right please, I have NOT lost any argument concerning the lousy government actions--BECAUSE you LOT fail to answer the most important question of governing.

Please list the mega achievements your government made over the 3 years. NO ANSWER YOU LOSE not me. simple but you fail to inform posters.

Do you realize that to inform posters on the mega achievements they may therefore change because of fresh info. You avoid the question it therefore proves you all are wind up merchants---so prove your NOT.

[fab4]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Yes, but he want it to be the truth. So he will be repeating him self.

That's because it is the truth. You really need to brush up on your knowledge of election procedure.

Edited May 3, 2014 by fab4

[mikemac]

What are these red flag waving clowns going to do when the PTP finally does crash and burn ? Will they sit at home waiting for Thaksin to start yet another puppet party for them to cheer and support ?

What a pathetic bunch of desperate people.

[Robby nz]

To see the advisability of holding an election under the present environment you only have to look at what would happen should it be a success and a parliament was formed.

If PT or another Thaksin proxy party were to win we would be back in exactly the same situation as before.

The rice pledging scheme would continue costing several more billion, the amnesty bill or another version would again be on the table, the 2.2 trillion borrowing would be revived, changes would be made to all the checks and balances organisations to ensure they were onside and once again people would again be out in protest.

Should any opposition party win then Thaksin would have his reds out on the streets again, for as he proved in 2010 he will never accept being out of power.

There definitely needs to be change , reforms, call them what you will, or things will never improve.

[cnxdefyer]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Oh dear, for what seems like the hundredth time: when all those millions of people voted for PT, which allowed them (PT) to win a clear majority of seats in parliament, they cast their votes in the full knowledge that a vote for PT was a vote, amongst other things, for Yingluck as prime minister.

You may argue that she is unqualified, inexperienced, incompetent, corrupt, a puppet; you may dislike her intensely, (I rather gather that is the case, but then you seem to dislike an awful lot of things intensely); but you cannot change the fact that she was installed as Prime Minister constitutionally, with the clear consent of the electorate after an election recognised within Thailand and internationally as fair and open.

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From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, we're not contesting how she got into office. We're contesting what she has done while in office. That will be the reason of her removal, the removal of public officials from office is as democratic as democracy. The government is the majority's voice in governing, when they fail to do so competently, it is the duty of the citizen to remove them. In this case the system has been corrupted by the government in power, basic logic demands that we fix the problem before continuing. If we had a flat tire, how many people would continuously refill the air rather than patch the hole . The information is quite clear, they are only side tracking you with other issues. Those that claim that they are happy with this government, please provide me with reasons why? Just to say that they were elected is not enough, laws have been broken.

[ginjag]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Yes, but he want it to be the truth. So he will be repeating him self.

That's because it is the truth. You really need to brush up on your knowledge of election procedure.

Have that wonderful gang of yours or yourself got the mega achievements list ready, you know the list we all are wanting to read, 3 years of fantastic governing list ??? Please. or are you avoiding again. pathetic.

[mikemac]

Have that wonderful gang of yours or yourself got the mega achievements list ready, you know the list we all are wanting to read, 3 years of fantastic governing list ??? Please. or are you avoiding again. pathetic.

@ GJ - I would like to see this list, if it in fact existed. But I won't hold my breath, all these red flag wavers do is dig up the dirt on Suthep and co. and expect everyone to forget about the terrible job the PTP has done running this country. And all you will get from fabio is nasty, condescending tripe anyway.

This is a classic case of the supporters being a reflection of the team they support - piss weak !

[h90]

What are these red flag waving clowns going to do when the PTP finally does crash and burn ? Will they sit at home waiting for Thaksin to start yet another puppet party for them to cheer and support ?

What a pathetic bunch of desperate people.

They'll do what the are paid for....Thaksin has registered a couple other parties already and put his other sister already on standby. His brother in laws ban from politics also expired (both will be MPs from PTP).

[3NUMBAS]

theyre so addicted to coups and treacherous double dealing nobody is safe in power any more , '40 years of coups and still going strong '

[ratcatcher]

As there are 5 of the Shinawatra clan in top positions, there is plenty of choice.

Choice is good.

[brewsterbudgen]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Oh dear, for what seems like the hundredth time: when all those millions of people voted for PT, which allowed them (PT) to win a clear majority of seats in parliament, they cast their votes in the full knowledge that a vote for PT was a vote, amongst other things, for Yingluck as prime minister.

You may argue that she is unqualified, inexperienced, incompetent, corrupt, a puppet; you may dislike her intensely, (I rather gather that is the case, but then you seem to dislike an awful lot of things intensely); but you cannot change the fact that she was installed as Prime Minister constitutionally, with the clear consent of the electorate after an election recognised within Thailand and internationally as fair and open.

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From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, we're not contesting how she got into office. We're contesting what she has done while in office. That will be the reason of her removal, the removal of public officials from office is as democratic as democracy. The government is the majority's voice in governing, when they fail to do so competently, it is the duty of the citizen to remove them. In this case the system has been corrupted by the government in power, basic logic demands that we fix the problem before continuing. If we had a flat tire, how many people would continuously refill the air rather than patch the hole . The information is quite clear, they are only side tracking you with other issues. Those that claim that they are happy with this government, please provide me with reasons why? Just to say that they were elected is not enough, laws have been broken.

No reason required. Bad governments get voted out by the voters. If the government has acted illegally it will be prosecuted.

[Mrgk]

Put me right please, I have NOT lost any argument concerning the lousy government actions--BECAUSE you LOT fail to answer the most important question of governing.

Please list the mega achievements your government made over the 3 years. NO ANSWER YOU LOSE not me. simple but you fail to inform posters.

Do you realize that to inform posters on the mega achievements they may therefore change because of fresh info. You avoid the question it therefore proves you all are wind up merchants---so prove your NOT.

Here´s a piece of information that might surprise you: Most "Red" posters on this board do not care much about the achievements or non-acheivements of the Yingluck government. That is besides the point, which is *who* should get to pass judgement on the government´s performance and its future.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect that my sentiment is widely shared amongst "reds" on here: Should the Yingluck government be voted out of office in a proper election, I would not care in the slightest. I have no personal sympathy for Yingluck or her brother (on the contrary in the latter case).

The problem is that the Democrats (and the PDRC for those who still want to pretend that there is a practical difference) have decided to abandon electoral politics in favor of an unelected "people´s council" that rather transparently is intended to rig the entire electoral system in a similar fashion as the coup constitution of 2007 rigged the senate, a.k.a. "reform". I believe that this is both grossly immoral and corrupt on a much deeper level than everyday Thai corruption and immorality, as well as a recipe for never-ending social and political strife in Thailand. That´s why we oppose Suthep et al - not becuse of any burning desire to see the Thaksins in power.

[mikemac]

Put me right please, I have NOT lost any argument concerning the lousy government actions--BECAUSE you LOT fail to answer the most important question of governing.

Please list the mega achievements your government made over the 3 years. NO ANSWER YOU LOSE not me. simple but you fail to inform posters.

Do you realize that to inform posters on the mega achievements they may therefore change because of fresh info. You avoid the question it therefore proves you all are wind up merchants---so prove your NOT.

Here´s a piece of information that might surprise you: Most "Red" posters on this board do not care much about the achievements or non-acheivements of the Yingluck government. That is besides the point, which is *who* should get to pass judgement on the government´s performance and its future.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect that my sentiment is widely shared amongst "reds" on here: Should the Yingluck government be voted out of office in a proper election, I would not care in the slightest. I have no personal sympathy for Yingluck or her brother (on the contrary in the latter case).

The problem is that the Democrats (and the PDRC for those who still want to pretend that there is a practical difference) have decided to abandon electoral politics in favor of an unelected "people´s council" that rather transparently is intended to rig the entire electoral system in a similar fashion as the coup constitution of 2007 rigged the senate, a.k.a. "reform". I believe that this is both grossly immoral and corrupt on a much deeper level than everyday Thai corruption and immorality, as well as a recipe for never-ending social and political strife in Thailand. That´s why we oppose Suthep et al - not becuse of any burning desire to see the Thaksins in power.

As I have suspected all along, the red supporters would rather cut their noses off to spite their red faces. And who suffers the most ? The people of Thailand.

In any other country in the world these terrorists they so lovingly support would be behind bars now. Or ruling the country with an iron fist.

Most "Red" posters on this board do not care much about the achievements or non-acheivements of the Yingluck government.

That is besides the point, which is *who* should get to pass judgement on the government´s performance and its future.

I have already worked out what the red posters on this forum care about. And it is not the welfare of this country.

And it is precisely this governments "performance" that has caused all the current political problems. That, and the fact that it is being illegally run by a wanted criminal. But of course that is not the point, is it ?

[Songlaw]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

Oh dear, for what seems like the hundredth time: when all those millions of people voted for PT, which allowed them (PT) to win a clear majority of seats in parliament, they cast their votes in the full knowledge that a vote for PT was a vote, amongst other things, for Yingluck as prime minister.

You may argue that she is unqualified, inexperienced, incompetent, corrupt, a puppet; you may dislike her intensely, (I rather gather that is the case, but then you seem to dislike an awful lot of things intensely); but you cannot change the fact that she was installed as Prime Minister constitutionally, with the clear consent of the electorate after an election recognised within Thailand and internationally as fair and open.

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Attempting to muddy the waters of TVF conventional wisdom with something as inconvenient as facts will never fly here, JAG. Nice shooting, just the same.

[Thai at Heart]

What's about the 300 and more MP's involved in illegal voting for the Amnesty Bill?

This is the funniest of all. Being prosecuted for voting form something that you didn't know constitutional or not at the time. Are you allowed to have unconstitutional thoughts?

That's a bit like being jailed for accidentally marrying your long lost twin. Although on another thread they did charge a farang guy 20k for overstay whilst in a coma.

[johnno2]

Put me right please, I have NOT lost any argument concerning the lousy government actions--BECAUSE you LOT fail to answer the most important question of governing.

Please list the mega achievements your government made over the 3 years. NO ANSWER YOU LOSE not me. simple but you fail to inform posters.

Do you realize that to inform posters on the mega achievements they may therefore change because of fresh info. You avoid the question it therefore proves you all are wind up merchants---so prove your NOT.

Here´s a piece of information that might surprise you: Most "Red" posters on this board do not care much about the achievements or non-acheivements of the Yingluck government. That is besides the point, which is *who* should get to pass judgement on the government´s performance and its future.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect that my sentiment is widely shared amongst "reds" on here: Should the Yingluck government be voted out of office in a proper election, I would not care in the slightest. I have no personal sympathy for Yingluck or her brother (on the contrary in the latter case).

The problem is that the Democrats (and the PDRC for those who still want to pretend that there is a practical difference) have decided to abandon electoral politics in favor of an unelected "people´s council" that rather transparently is intended to rig the entire electoral system in a similar fashion as the coup constitution of 2007 rigged the senate, a.k.a. "reform". I believe that this is both grossly immoral and corrupt on a much deeper level than everyday Thai corruption and immorality, as well as a recipe for never-ending social and political strife in Thailand. That´s why we oppose Suthep et al - not becuse of any burning desire to see the Thaksins in power.

ohhhhh i get it now. its ok to have a corrupt thief finance an election but its not ok to TRY to get a fair system where the best people will be elected and represent the country fairly

[Melyn]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

The PTP is still going as a political party , The PM dissolved parliament. Your post is not fact. The Electorate vote for MPs of their favoured party. If that political party wins enough seats the get the chance to form a government. All the MPs that are voted in or get in on the party list then vote for the person who they want as PM. It follows that the party with a majority of seats will get their choice of PM. The Party has already chosen who would be PM if the have the requisite amount of seats to win that vote and this choice is well known by the supporters of that particular party.

Ergo, by voting for their representative of a political party, they are endorsing that parties choice for PM i.e that portion of the electorate are "voting" for their PM.

It's not rocket science, or fiction.

You red boys claim to believe in democracy and votes but when push comes to shove a woman selected by her brother to head up her brother's political toy party to run a country does not follow any internationally recognised firm of democracy.

She is there because she is Thaksin's sister

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[brewsterbudgen]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

The PTP is still going as a political party , The PM dissolved parliament. Your post is not fact. The Electorate vote for MPs of their favoured party. If that political party wins enough seats the get the chance to form a government. All the MPs that are voted in or get in on the party list then vote for the person who they want as PM. It follows that the party with a majority of seats will get their choice of PM. The Party has already chosen who would be PM if the have the requisite amount of seats to win that vote and this choice is well known by the supporters of that particular party.

Ergo, by voting for their representative of a political party, they are endorsing that parties choice for PM i.e that portion of the electorate are "voting" for their PM.

It's not rocket science, or fiction.

You red boys claim to believe in democracy and votes but when push comes to shove a woman selected by her brother to head up her brother's political toy party to run a country does not follow any internationally recognised firm of democracy.

She is there because she is Thaksin's sister

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PTP is Thaksin's party! Plenty of other countries use the party list system.

[fab4]

Have that wonderful gang of yours or yourself got the mega achievements list ready, you know the list we all are wanting to read, 3 years of fantastic governing list ??? Please. or are you avoiding again. pathetic.

You may wish to refer to an earlier post I wrote wrt your approach to discussion on this forum. You may remember that having lost an argument it is probably not wise to deflect from the OP by asking unrelated questions. It seems you have not understood. People haven't got the time or inclination to satisfy your personal whims.

[fab4]

Have that wonderful gang of yours or yourself got the mega achievements list ready, you know the list we all are wanting to read, 3 years of fantastic governing list ??? Please. or are you avoiding again. pathetic.

You may wish to refer to an earlier post I wrote wrt your approach to discussion on this forum. You may remember that having lost an argument it is probably not wise to deflect from the OP by asking unrelated questions. It seems you have not understood. People haven't got the time or inclination to satisfy your personal whims.

[fab4]

That's because it is the truth. You really need to brush up on your knowledge of election procedure.

Have that wonderful gang of yours or yourself got the mega achievements list ready, you know the list we all are wanting to read, 3 years of fantastic governing list ??? Please. or are you avoiding again. pathetic.

Double post.

Edited May 4, 2014 by fab4

[Melyn]

At the end of the day it won't matter if Yingluck is judicially removed from her position. Voters are all too familiar with the pattern, vote their PM in, judicial coup removes them...They might win the battle but they can't win the war against democracy, another candidate will step up to take her place, and will be voted into power by the electorate.

Just to remind you the 1000, time SHE was not voted in by the electorate. The P.M. removed herself, the PTP self destructed-----you are a complete wind up. My post is fact--unlike your fiction posts.

The PTP is still going as a political party , The PM dissolved parliament. Your post is not fact. The Electorate vote for MPs of their favoured party. If that political party wins enough seats the get the chance to form a government. All the MPs that are voted in or get in on the party list then vote for the person who they want as PM. It follows that the party with a majority of seats will get their choice of PM. The Party has already chosen who would be PM if the have the requisite amount of seats to win that vote and this choice is well known by the supporters of that particular party.

Ergo, by voting for their representative of a political party, they are endorsing that parties choice for PM i.e that portion of the electorate are "voting" for their PM.

It's not rocket science, or fiction.

You red boys claim to believe in democracy and votes but when push comes to shove a woman selected by her brother to head up her brother's political toy party to run a country does not follow any internationally recognised firm of democracy.

She is there because she is Thaksin's sister

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PTP is Thaksin's party! Plenty of other countries use the party list system.

For their PM?

I don't think so

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[brewsterbudgen]

For their PM?

I don't think so

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Very few countries directly elect the PM. The PM is elected/chosen by the governing party.