Lite Beer Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 EDITORIALNeed for immediate action against human traffickingThe Nation BANGKOK: -- Downgrade in US report is a wake-up call for Thailand to crack down on these heinous practicesSeafood is big business in Thailand. It generates more than US$7 billion for the country and the sector employs more than 650,000 people.But there is a problem. Some of the businesses are guilty of employing slave labour. Some of these labourers don't even make it alive to the shore because, as a way of cutting overhead cost, they are murdered and dumped in the high sea.Others are sold from ship to ship and often stay out in the sea for months before they see the shore.But few of us think about these gory facts when we sit at the dinner table and munch on delicious shrimp and other seafood. Perhaps we are unaware. Perhaps we don't want to know. But the fact of the matter is, this dark side of the industry comes with a price and this could take a toll this time on the country's economy, the consumers, the industry's giants, and the government for not doing enough to curb these illicit practices in spite of ample warnings.After a two-year grace period, the US State Department has decided enough is enough. Thailand is now one of the worst violators. We are among 188 countries judged every year on how we deal with the issue of human trafficking. In a recently released annual report on human trafficking, the country's fishing industry was highlighted. The report is part of an effort to pressure countries like Thailand to criminalise human trafficking.Because of the size of its economy and geographical proximity, Thailand has for decades attracted migrant workers from neighbouring countries in mainland Southeast Asia.Most come willingly, taking up backbreaking jobs shunned by Thais. Others get thrown into the sex trade and sweatshops where they work long hours with little benefits.Many who come don't really know what they are getting into. All sorts of stories are told, good and bad. But many try their luck, probably feeling they don't have much to gain by remaining in their home country.And so they pay brokers, including corrupt Thai officials, who traffic them to the country and sell them to shipowners who force them to work 18-hour shifts.The US State Department was not the only source of information. Local and foreign media have reported on these issues but the industry and the authorities had decided to turn a deaf ear.A recent investigative report by The Guardian newspaper of Britain forced at least one major retailer to cease doing business with Thailand's fishing industry until it could prove that slave labour was not being used.The burden of proof is on Thailand and the current crop of leaders are hard pressed to do something about it.The junta who came to power through a coup just weeks ago has made the well-being of migrant workers one of its high priorities. A damage-control exercise, perhaps, but surely they can't claim complete ignorance about this mess.Like other Thai government agencies, the military and law enforcement powers knew about these happenings but did not prevent it.We shouldn't have to wait for some foreign government to issue a report or some foreign supermarket boycott of our products to force us to take action. First and foremost, we need to take action because it is the right thing to do. And when we do the right thing from the start, good things will follow. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Need-for-immediate-action-against-human-traffickin-30237338.html -- The Nation 2014-06-29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 You don't say, I have a feeling I am dealing with Dumb, Dumber and Dumber, when it comes to Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 A few days ago the Junta was still denying there was any human trafficking, it where all rumors.....5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noitom Posted June 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2014 It seems well past the time that the Thai press should write the truth. It's Thai business owners and industry leaders that are the source of the problem and the Thai press should have been calling them out long ago. Even in this article , the Thai press fails to even mention the Thai culture of abuse of humans for sex and labor. It is a culture that needs to change not a few arrests of down stream traffickers. When will we see the Thai press pounding the table and calling for heads of corrupt Thais ? We saw a Reuters article calling out the Thai navy in human trafficking and they were threatened with a defamation law suit and all has been silent on that article. Thai press should get with the truth program and set the standard. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 yes as immediate action, they should move all these slaves to a more secluded location or higher sea, because its bring too much bad press on the land of slave smile, that not good for business... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphad Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Thai Military needs to get to the bottom of this immediately,expose everything,prosecute those involved. Thailand needs foreign workers. Foreign Workers need protection. There's an old saying " that you can step in dog sh*t...wipe it off but the smell remains" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Thai Military needs to get to the bottom of this immediately,expose everything,prosecute those involved. Thailand needs foreign workers. Foreign Workers need protection. There's an old saying " that you can step in dog sh*t...wipe it off but the smell remains" I believe the "Thai military getting to the bottom of human trafficking" may be problematic. In the past, the Thai Navy has been accused of being involved in human trafficking. I suspect the "Land of Smiles," conceals many sad stories on how they treat foreign workers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomyway Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Without any comment http://library.fundforpeace.org/fsi14-overview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 How can anyone act against something that doesn't exist ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonRatch Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Need for immediate action against human trafficking All of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonRatch Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 "But there is a problem. Some of the businesses are guilty of employing slave labour. Some of these labourers don't even make it alive to the shore because, as a way of cutting overhead cost, they are murdered and dumped in the high sea.Others are sold from ship to ship and often stay out in the sea for months before they see the shore." Was this written by a Thai reporter? Got any evidence about the content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimCM Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Again still no mention of concern for the victims of this disgusting trade. All they care about is what money it may cost them. That Thai society is not outraged by this shows what a morally bankrupt society it is. Is is an insult to real Buddhists for Thai's to call themselves a Buddhist society 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRight Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 'as a way of cutting overhead cost, they are murdered and dumped in the high sea.' That is freakin' horrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Thai Military needs to get to the bottom of this immediately,expose everything,prosecute those involved. Thailand needs foreign workers. Foreign Workers need protection. There's an old saying " that you can step in dog sh*t...wipe it off but the smell remains" I believe the "Thai military getting to the bottom of human trafficking" may be problematic. In the past, the Thai Navy has been accused of being involved in human trafficking. I suspect the "Land of Smiles," conceals many sad stories on how they treat foreign workers. Or: Lack of Sanctions (LOS) Land of Scams (LOS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Again still no mention of concern for the victims of this disgusting trade. All they care about is what money it may cost them. That Thai society is not outraged by this shows what a morally bankrupt society it is. Is is an insult to real Buddhists for Thai's to call themselves a Buddhist society AMEN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted June 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2014 Again still no mention of concern for the victims of this disgusting trade. All they care about is what money it may cost them. That Thai society is not outraged by this shows what a morally bankrupt society it is. Is is an insult to real Buddhists for Thai's to call themselves a Buddhist society Agree - you would hope that a Buddhist society would be against these evils for the fact they are evil. Rather than just because someone can hurt them in their pocket. All about the money here, and other parts of Asia too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Well we know what Reuters think! As if there hasn't had enough opportunity to at least make a start in stopping trafficking. they behave as if they have only become aware of the problem. They have known for a couple years now that they faced being downgraded to tier 3 for people trafficking. Edited June 29, 2014 by ggold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 "But there is a problem. Some of the businesses are guilty of employing slave labour. Some of these labourers don't even make it alive to the shore because, as a way of cutting overhead cost, they are murdered and dumped in the high sea." "Local and foreign media have reported on these issues but the industry and the authorities had decided to turn a deaf ear." "Like other Thai government agencies, the military and law enforcement powers knew about these happenings but did not prevent it." "The report is part of an effort to pressure countries like Thailand to criminalise human trafficking." It's not illegal in Thailand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tagranados Posted June 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) I am stressed about eating seafood. I ordered squid last night and they brought me prawns and I had to send them back. And, I did tell them why. (I feel safer about the squid because I can see it being caught at night right here) I've made the best choices I can for years and it's not easy. We can discuss the country in and on forums, but I feel it's imperative that we make an actual difference. In every way possible, we have to be example's of what is better and not patrons of what is wrong. I don't know if this is a small thing or not, but I take my backpack with me to the grocery store or even just to Family Mart. I don't accept plastic bags. Ever. I wave the plastic bag away, shake my head, and carry what I can on my back. I also ensure I am an informed consumer. Check out http://slaveryfootprint.org to learn how many slaves are working for you. It has a cool survey. As far as what is behind the scenes with the situation here. I would recommend the following links. This is a serious and horrific problem. I hope you have time to browse real quick : ) I'm posting one link here and it contains 5 links that are very informative. Even though I have actively done what I can, I'm still evaluating my choices and conversations right now so I can make the biggest difference I can make. http://www.laborrights.org/publications/letter-secretary-state-john-kerry-regarding-thailands-downgrade-2014-tip-report Edited June 29, 2014 by tagranados 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 You don't say, I have a feeling I am dealing with Dumb, Dumber and Dumber, when it comes to Thailand. I sort of think that "dumber" stuff when I read Thai basher responses- In this case though I think of a monkey throwing feces. "You don't say..." you say? Uh huh! This insinuates that information has just been related that is obvious and that you are well versed on. Yeah you and the Man In The Moooon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagranados Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Is anyone familiar with the lawmakers mentioned in this article? http://www.asiasentinel.com/society/asean-lawmakers-blast-human-rights-commission/ I notice that few people ever comment on articles published over there or on Asian Correspondents articles. Not that it matters, but it would be nice to see some of the conversations that take place on TV also happening on those sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 yes as immediate action, they should move all these slaves to a more secluded location or higher sea, because its bring too much bad press on the land of slave smile, that not good for business... Bender. "land of slave smile..." You are not in the least bit clever. And you are reprehensible to place a blanket judgement on Thais owing to this terrible malignancy that their society is inflicted with. How do you think most Thais feel when they read an article like this one? They aggrieve for the victims and they feel remorse, grief and shame for their country. They don't need such as you to step in and opportunistically kick them in the nuts. A sanctimonious nobody like yourself sees this news and fancies himself real cute by posting a cheap shot play on words. I honestly do not believe that you care anything about this abominable situation. I believe you simply like impressing yourself (and fancy that you are impressing others) by making pseudo profound and meaningless posts such as your current folly. PS. Your opening sarcasm about moving to "more secluded location or higher sea" is so senseless that it has no strength in its intended scorn at all. And you could never begin to figure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 But few of us think about these gory facts when we sit at the dinner table and munch on delicious shrimp and other seafood... It is not up to the consumer to police the seafood industry...or any industry for that matter...the gov't must see human trafficking as a despicable way of creating cheap labor...the head officials of these industries...which promote human misery...should do some time in a prison camp...do some hard labor...get their hands dirty and calloused...will give them a better perspective of their inhumane practices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagranados Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 If consumers make it their business to know what is going on and then make their opinions and desires known (i.e. stop paying money for things if the product or service contributes to the oppression of another person or class of people), then governments get the message. I think it is more of a personal responsibility. Saying it is not up to the consumer is the easy way to side step what is happening to fellow human beings. This is not just about the seafood industry. Let's not forget that. Let us all conduct ourselves with integrity and values at all times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> If consumers make it their business to know what is going on and then make their opinions and desires known (i.e. stop paying money for things if the product or service contributes to the oppression of another person or class of people), then governments get the message. I think it is more of a personal responsibility. Saying it is not up to the consumer is the easy way to side step what is happening to fellow human beings. This is not just about the seafood industry. Let's not forget that. Let us all conduct ourselves with integrity and values at all times. Problem is that the consumers in Thailand are only a very small number. The money is in export, and the majority of consumers in the countries the seafood is being exported to can eat with denial to a problem that isn't happening in their own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Many Thais are still in denial about this issue. Another major story on the front page of today's Bangkok Post. In this story the victim was rescued following intervention by authorities in Indonesia....surely the ultimate humiliation for Thailand. These stories are only going to get bigger and if Thailand wants to slink into a "blame the west " mentality, it will find a whole world of pain for its export industries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagranados Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> If consumers make it their business to know what is going on and then make their opinions and desires known (i.e. stop paying money for things if the product or service contributes to the oppression of another person or class of people), then governments get the message. I think it is more of a personal responsibility. Saying it is not up to the consumer is the easy way to side step what is happening to fellow human beings. This is not just about the seafood industry. Let's not forget that. Let us all conduct ourselves with integrity and values at all times. Problem is that the consumers in Thailand are only a very small number. The money is in export, and the majority of consumers in the countries the seafood is being exported to can eat with denial to a problem that isn't happening in their own country. I understand and agree. I was directing my thought at the global and foreign consumers and my reply to the poster before me. My posting clarity is being affected by my World Cup habits a.k.a. no sleep makes a post seem groggy : ) We have foreign consumers here who are aiding in all kinds of trafficking of both genders and we have consumers in other countries. I work with adults who have known about my activist work before the downgrade. This week should be interesting at work. They have all been open and supportive and no one has acted in denial. Of course, they are all individuals and have nothing to do with the government so they don't affect they voice of the Thai government. However, the voice of the US Government is directly being affected by NGO's and labor groups (the everyday individuals) who asked for this downgrade. Eighteen different organizations signed the open letter to John Kerry. The masses supported this. We get so caught up in what each government saying and I hope that as thinking people we remember to keep this particular fight individual. I think of the horrific conditions the persons being trafficked are in each day and do more than send them love and good vibes. I check my slave footprint at all times. My biggest goal is to grow and live sustainably. My resolve was already there, but the recent developments here have given me drive I didn't know I have. TVF has a great gardening forum with tons of stuff on how to water and everything. I've been pouring over that. There are ways of not supporting trafficking, one just has to find what she or he can incorporate into their own life. It's not enough to just post on TVF on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Need for immediate action against human trafficking All of a sudden. Unfortunately everywhere and throughout history people look the other way when they should be doing something about bad things. That is why it takes so long. What is your country of origin? I guarantee an example can be found there with a quick internet search. Your posting is a sanctimonious fraud. We all turn our backs when we should not. All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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