worzel Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Straight question straight answer why give something that certain places turn into a profitSent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunOr Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Don't understand your question. So, you walk into a hospital: "Excuse me nurse, I'd like a unit of blood please." "Certainly sir, would you like that in a straight glass?" Surely blood is used for transfusions and if you were in need of one you'd expect to pay for it as part of your treatment? The hospital at the very least has to cover the costs of drawing and storing donated blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 OP, Perhaps the reason your post gets removed is because it difficult to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Coconut Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Don't understand your question. So, you walk into a hospital: "Excuse me nurse, I'd like a unit of blood please." "Certainly sir, would you like that in a straight glass?" with ice ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Try a little harder - the OP is suggesting people shouldn't donate their blood because the hospitals then sell it on at a profit, not hard to understand and a reasonable point to make. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Don't understand your question. So, you walk into a hospital: "Excuse me nurse, I'd like a unit of blood please." "Certainly sir, would you like that in a straight glass?" Surely blood is used for transfusions and if you were in need of one you'd expect to pay for it as part of your treatment? The hospital at the very least has to cover the costs of drawing and storing donated blood. The point being made if i'm not mistaken is that Bangkok Samui Hospital get blood donated to them by well meaning citizens and then go on to charge "utterly obscene" amounts of money for it to patients. I hope that clears things up for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tropicalevo Posted July 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2014 I suspect that this thread will go round in circles. Firstly - with one exception, the hospitals here are first and foremost - businesses. They happen to be businesses that provide medical care. What is the point of having a business if it is not to make money? (I wish that my business made a bit more!) The exception is the government hospital at Nathon. That is a hospital - funded by taxpayers and from generous donations from HM The King (and others). I believe that blood donated at the public sessions is for Nathon Hospital. They may 'sell' it on to other hospitals should the need arise. If they make money on it - great. That money helps to support the hospital. (And yes - they do have the cost of collecting, storing, transporting the blood etc.) If I can help to save a life or help to fund Nathon hospital by donating something that costs me nothing then I am more than happy to do so. I will not miss that half a litre of blood. My body will make some more very quickly. If there is a major accident and the 'business' hospitals need blood in an emergency, then I am more than happy to donate to them. The life that I save may be my wife, a friend or just some stranger. It may even be your life that is saved. I do not care who it is and if said business makes money by selling my blood - I really do not give a monkey's fluck. In the scheme of things - it is nothing. Giving blood is not about money. It is not about bitching about this or that over-priced hospital. It is ONLY about saving a life. If you choose to be penny pinching and not do it - fine. But please do not bitch about something that I give freely. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) I suspect that this thread will go round in circles. Firstly - with one exception, the hospitals here are first and foremost - businesses. They happen to be businesses that provide medical care. What is the point of having a business if it is not to make money? (I wish that my business made a bit more!) The exception is the government hospital at Nathon. That is a hospital - funded by taxpayers and from generous donations from HM The King (and others). I believe that blood donated at the public sessions is for Nathon Hospital. They may 'sell' it on to other hospitals should the need arise. If they make money on it - great. That money helps to support the hospital. (And yes - they do have the cost of collecting, storing, transporting the blood etc.) If I can help to save a life or help to fund Nathon hospital by donating something that costs me nothing then I am more than happy to do so. I will not miss that half a litre of blood. My body will make some more very quickly. If there is a major accident and the 'business' hospitals need blood in an emergency, then I am more than happy to donate to them. The life that I save may be my wife, a friend or just some stranger. It may even be your life that is saved. I do not care who it is and if said business makes money by selling my blood - I really do not give a monkey's fluck. In the scheme of things - it is nothing. Giving blood is not about money. It is not about bitching about this or that over-priced hospital. It is ONLY about saving a life. If you choose to be penny pinching and not do it - fine. But please do not bitch about something that I give freely. Ofcourse you are absolutely right and i think its important everyone makes an effort to give blood. And yes businesses are supposed to make money, but, and heres the very big but.....not the despicable profiteering by BKK Samui. There is no justification whatsoever for the prices they charge. Anyone defending their prices must be a shareholder or an imbecile.. anyway, as you say, this ones just going to go round in circles. No ones questions the good deed of giving blood its just a crying shame that a certain hospital totally abuses a charitable act. Edited July 5, 2014 by carmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lom Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Don't understand your question. So, you walk into a hospital: "Excuse me nurse, I'd like a unit of blood please." "Certainly sir, would you like that in a straight glass?" Surely blood is used for transfusions and if you were in need of one you'd expect to pay for it as part of your treatment? The hospital at the very least has to cover the costs of drawing and storing donated blood. The point being made if i'm not mistaken is that Bangkok Samui Hospital get blood donated to them by well meaning citizens and then go on to charge "utterly obscene" amounts of money for it to patients. I hope that clears things up for you. There is no point being made in the OP, he is only asking how much they charge. You are the one making the point and answering his question by labelling the charge as "utterly obscene" and doing that without telling the actual charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Don't understand your question. So, you walk into a hospital: "Excuse me nurse, I'd like a unit of blood please." "Certainly sir, would you like that in a straight glass?" Surely blood is used for transfusions and if you were in need of one you'd expect to pay for it as part of your treatment? The hospital at the very least has to cover the costs of drawing and storing donated blood. The point being made if i'm not mistaken is that Bangkok Samui Hospital get blood donated to them by well meaning citizens and then go on to charge "utterly obscene" amounts of money for it to patients. I hope that clears things up for you. There is no point being made in the OP, he is only asking how much they charge. You are the one making the point and answering his question by labelling the charge as "utterly obscene" and doing that without telling the actual charge. I've had the misfortune to have been presented with one of their bills. I have every right to label their charges obscene. I have little or no interest whether you believe me or not, its your choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Try a little harder - the OP is suggesting people shouldn't donate their blood because the hospitals then sell it on at a profit, not hard to understand and a reasonable point to make. I was attempting to give the OP more credit...and yourself. I believe you two are guilty of "biting off your nose to spite your face". ; ) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lom Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) I've had the misfortune to have been presented with one of their bills. So have many of us but in order to understand if they overcharge for blood then one must also know their cost for a bag of blood. The donor doesn't get paid but there is surely a cost for collecting, testing, and storing the blood, a cost that neither you nor I have the faintest idea about what it actually is. Edited July 5, 2014 by lom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiPiFFS Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I don't think that the person that requires X amount of units of blood is going to start to haggle over the price of it. If you use the BKK Samui hospital it is because you can afford to or you have insurance that covers the cost. others choose to use the Government hospital in nathon which is very good and a fraction of the price of the other private hospitals. They also charge an extortionate price for their Oxygen which is very cheap to supply. It is called capitalism and without it we wouldn't be here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I don't think that the person that requires X amount of units of blood is going to start to haggle over the price of it. If you use the BKK Samui hospital it is because you can afford to or you have insurance that covers the cost. others choose to use the Government hospital in nathon which is very good and a fraction of the price of the other private hospitals. They also charge an extortionate price for their Oxygen which is very cheap to supply. It is called capitalism and without it we wouldn't be here No its called legalized profiteering and it has no bearing in whether i am here or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Just one small addendum to my original post - Under current Thai legislation, all hospitals are obliged to give initial emergency treatment free of charge. I would presume that this would cover an emergency transfusion as well. Not all people are covered by this law and I do not remember the 'small print'. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Most people seem to be missing the point the OP is making. If this is just a 'business', which most hospitals are here, they should also offer to buy the blood from donors, this is, after all how businesses are run - step one : buy a product, step 2 : sell product at a profit, it's not difficult to see the logic is it? People are also talking about having a choice for using the blood as a transfusion which is totally wrong. For example, tourist hires a motor bike, gets knocked off and is unconscious, gets picked up and taken to the private hospital, still unconscious joys and bleeding profusely and needs an emergency blood transfusion, a call is put out for blood of a certain type and donors freely give the donation, the tourist starts to recover and wakes up and then is presented the bill, including the cost of the freely donated blood, tourist doesn't have money or insurance to pay, then what? Most Hospitals here in Thailand are a disgrace, they have no compassion for the patients and no interest in doing anything other than making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiPiFFS Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Go into any bar and buy a beer. depending on where that bar is it will cost you between 60 and 120 baht for a small beer. Go to any wholesalers and you can buy a case of beer that makes that beer around 17- 25 baht for thai beers and more for heineken etc. Legalised profiteering ? People seem to forget that the bar owner has to pay rent for his bar, electric to keep the beer cold. Staff to serve you with your beer. The various licenses to allow him to serve you beer. The monthly fee for the TV package so his customers can watch the football and the free WiFi as well as a host of other things. I only object to paying extortionate prices when I am given no choice whether to pay or not. Some bars I am happy to pay the price others I refuse. The same goes with the hospitals. I choose not to give BKK Samui any of my money as is my right. I also know several people who have been treated there and are more than happy to pay the bill as the service they received was world class. I fail to see why people get upset ? I think flying First class is the biggest rip off there is yet many people willingly pay the price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 FYI, Bangkok hospital do not take any blood donations, you have to go to government hospital in Nathon or to a red cross drive. If you have a rare blood type for Asia (A- or O-) please go and donate, it could be your own blood that saves your life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Who cares what hospitals charge for blood!!!NOT ME!!! 9 months ago i had a serious accident. I needed 3 blood transfusions ( BLOOD DONATED BY KIND HEARTED THAI PEOPLE) I am grateful to these people for saving my life. When i needed blood the hospital asked my wife to find people to donate blood. 1 unit donated for each unit given to me. What a fantastic idea friends thai and farang gave blood, a big thank you from me. No body asked how much they charged for blood just donated to help a friend in need. God bless anybody who donates blood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) Most people seem to be missing the point the OP is making. If this is just a 'business', which most hospitals are here, they should also offer to buy the blood from donors, this is, after all how businesses are run - step one : buy a product, step 2 : sell product at a profit, it's not difficult to see the logic is it? People are also talking about having a choice for using the blood as a transfusion which is totally wrong. For example, tourist hires a motor bike, gets knocked off and is unconscious, gets picked up and taken to the private hospital, still unconscious joys and bleeding profusely and needs an emergency blood transfusion, a call is put out for blood of a certain type and donors freely give the donation, the tourist starts to recover and wakes up and then is presented the bill, including the cost of the freely donated blood, tourist doesn't have money or insurance to pay, then what? Most Hospitals here in Thailand are a disgrace, they have no compassion for the patients and no interest in doing anything other than making money. And whatever that added cost is will simply be passed onto the end user so what is accomplished? They buy platelets in the US. The donation centers are full of street people--no kidding--must be about the worst group of alcoholics and druggies you can imagine all going to donate platelets to make a quick $20. They were going several times a week. Cheers Edited July 5, 2014 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Why u want to buy blood r u a vampire Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Who cares what hospitals charge for blood!!!NOT ME!!! 9 months ago i had a serious accident. I needed 3 blood transfusions ( BLOOD DONATED BY KIND HEARTED THAI PEOPLE) I am grateful to these people for saving my life. When i needed blood the hospital asked my wife to find people to donate blood. 1 unit donated for each unit given to me. What a fantastic idea friends thai and farang gave blood, a big thank you from me. No body asked how much they charged for blood just donated to help a friend in need. God bless anybody who donates blood. I was going to donate blood but it was not accepted as I have a evil gene So I went back home changed my genes and I was accepted Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Can I randomly buy blood if I pay Could be useful for my new up and coming projects Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Can I randomly buy blood if I pay Could be useful for my new up and coming projects Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Big C - you are incorrigible I could maybe 'do you a deal' on some vintage O neg ? Edited July 7, 2014 by Tropicalevo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No I just have some projects that involve blood. Can't really go Into detail ) Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Aside from the initial outlay on capital expenditure for equipment the cost of producing a useable unit of blood is low....for platelets considerably higher. I've no doubt Nathon charges for each unit delivered to the private hospitals....but have we any evidence they are charging huge sums for it? Not that I have much hope they are not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I guess really the bottom line is the private hospitals are for the rich...the insured or the foolish only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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