How will NES EFL Teachers without degrees now stay in Thailand?

[rgs2001uk]

A toad and a southern peeled something dominate this thread with their slurs and veiled insults.

One has made 13,000 posts since 2006 about 5 day and the other about 15,400 posts over 6 years or about 7 a day, day in day out.

Both claim to have a life................"ho ho ho"

Sad for Thai Visa that such people predominate.

Driving to Suphan tomorrow, won't take my passport or keep to the speed limits.

Great stuff.

What really cracks me up, both of them are probably on more per day than yer average TEFLr makes in a month.

Who needs a life, its money that matters, ho ho ho.

Personally, I dont get out of bed for less than 200k per month, the normal daily rate is 20/25 k baht per day depending on location.

Brazil is nice this time of year, North Sea too cold.

Enjoy your stay.

[nottocus]

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree.

Why should they provide options to people who are not even citizens or PR of Thailand ?

When I took my job in Thailand I had to be qualifed for the position by virtue of education and experience in that postion, if there was any apsect of the job I wasnt qualifed for, I couldnt stamp my feet and say it not fair and then demand they must change the requirements to suit me, I would have been laughed out the door..

so once again we are back to this self entitlement thing some people have.

Good call. Get qualified people or get out.

[rgs2001uk]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

When i came to Thailand 9 years ago i DID meet the qualifications. They changed, then changed again, and again. I have been at the same school over 6 years and at the same language school 8 years..so people think i'm an adequate teacher that they are willing to pay a salary to.

I am an English conversation teacher NOT a subject teacher i teach the students pronunciation, sentence structure and above all give them confidence to speak and for that in Thailand i need a B'ed or whats likely coming next year an M'ed..Right!

now my degree is not on the list so no waiver, no work permit, no visa.. after 6 years of work permit,visa etc using the exact same degree.. Right!

check out a company called O.E.G they are the future of private school teachers here in Thailand. educated back packers!

Jesus H, your English is worse than mine and I dont profess to teach English.

The elite of Thailand will continue to have their offspring educated overseas, as has always been their way.

Your average Somboon has no need for English language skills.

Jeez you live in a country where your average bar girl has better English skills than some of the so called leaders.

English, we dont need your stinking English amigo.

Enjoy your stay, jer gan eek laew na krap, plaer wa (it means) see you when you have the correct qualifications.

i'm tapping away on a forum.. not writing a fxxking thesis. stop being an ass!

No worries, please tell us what exactly you have to offer Thailand.

Are you actually qualified to work here or not?

[casualbiker]

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree.

Why should they provide options to people who are not even citizens or PR of Thailand ?

When I took my job in Thailand I had to be qualifed for the position by virtue of education and experience in that postion, if there was any apsect of the job I wasnt qualifed for, I couldnt stamp my feet and say it not fair and then demand they must change the requirements to suit me, I would have been laughed out the door..

so once again we are back to this self entitlement thing some people have.

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

In the world of Krusapha it has changed about 3-4 times. I currently have a work permit and visa which i have had for 6 years working at the same school. Now because OF CHANGES

No more work permit and visa after Sept even though the same paperwork was ok BEFORE..

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

[Soutpeel]

and I am still waiting to a response to my previous question as regards your occupation and do you forsee any problems with your visa staus/overstays etc... why are you avoiding this question all the time ?

Just like in your profile, no age, no location, not even gender selected aka my info is none of your business.

Ah you have been looking as well... must be really building up a fan base

but I have stated my "visa" status in Thailand which is more than you have done dear boy

[casualbiker]

Jesus H, your English is worse than mine and I dont profess to teach English.

The elite of Thailand will continue to have their offspring educated overseas, as has always been their way.

Your average Somboon has no need for English language skills.

Jeez you live in a country where your average bar girl has better English skills than some of the so called leaders.

English, we dont need your stinking English amigo.

Enjoy your stay, jer gan eek laew na krap, plaer wa (it means) see you when you have the correct qualifications.

i'm tapping away on a forum.. not writing a fxxking thesis. stop being an ass!

No worries, please tell us what exactly you have to offer Thailand.

Are you actually qualified to work here or not?

i was qualified when i got the job as an English conversation teacher over 6 years ago.. Your point is?

[Soutpeel]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

[SirDrumsalot]

A toad and a southern peeled something dominate this thread with their slurs and veiled insults.

One has made 13,000 posts since 2006 about 5 day and the other about 15,400 posts over 6 years or about 7 a day, day in day out.

Both claim to have a life................"ho ho ho"

Sad for Thai Visa that such people predominate.

Driving to Suphan tomorrow, won't take my passport or keep to the speed limits.

Great stuff.

What really cracks me up, both of them are probably on more per day than yer average TEFLr makes in a month.

Who needs a life, its money that matters, ho ho ho.

Personally, I dont get out of bed for less than 200k per month, the normal daily rate is 20/25 k baht per day depending on location.

Brazil is nice this time of year, North Sea too cold.

Enjoy your stay.

Lol. Are you really bragging about your salary? How shallow can you be? Sad you don't realise how much you're degrading yourself with comments like that.

English teachers are obviously not moving to Thailand for a high-salary. Believe it or not, you can live a very happy life without being paid ten times more than your neighbours.

[Loptr]

You can always tell who is skirting the law when the pinch comes... They are the one's that squawk the loudest...

[mrtoad]

and I am still waiting to a response to my previous question as regards your occupation and do you forsee any problems with your visa staus/overstays etc... why are you avoiding this question all the time ?

Just like in your profile, no age, no location, not even gender selected aka my info is none of your business.

Ah you have been looking as well... must be really building up a fan base

but I have stated my "visa" status in Thailand which is more than you have done dear boy

Timwin and philw are honorary members of our fan clubs. That must give you a warm fuzzy feel.

I really do feel for some of the good people here, who are now finding that circumstances and conditions have changed. The thing is, that in developing countries changes are quite frequent , so as difficult as it may be, it's hardly unexpected.

The TEFL section has over the years been fairly loosely regulated, and they are now trying to tighten things up. They might not be going about it the right way, but that is the countries prerogative. If in time it leads to better salaries, higher standards of teachers, more job security and better results then everybody wins. Surely that's what people want. I know of a few people that these regulations that it might effect, they are good people, dedicated and hard working, but they have also known that they would need to get extra qualifications at some point, but just haven't been bothered.

[casualbiker]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

[rgs2001uk]

Jesus H, your English is worse than mine and I dont profess to teach English.

The elite of Thailand will continue to have their offspring educated overseas, as has always been their way.

Your average Somboon has no need for English language skills.

Jeez you live in a country where your average bar girl has better English skills than some of the so called leaders.

English, we dont need your stinking English amigo.

Enjoy your stay, jer gan eek laew na krap, plaer wa (it means) see you when you have the correct qualifications.

i'm tapping away on a forum.. not writing a fxxking thesis. stop being an ass!

No worries, please tell us what exactly you have to offer Thailand.

Are you actually qualified to work here or not?

i was qualified when i got the job as an English conversation teacher over 6 years ago.. Your point is?

Not my point old bean, that was then, this is now.

My qualifications never change, neither do my skills, knowledge, experience or positions held.

In fact these days, its more about positions held and personal recommendations and contacts than qualifications.

[rgs2001uk]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

[rgs2001uk]

A toad and a southern peeled something dominate this thread with their slurs and veiled insults.

One has made 13,000 posts since 2006 about 5 day and the other about 15,400 posts over 6 years or about 7 a day, day in day out.

Both claim to have a life................"ho ho ho"

Sad for Thai Visa that such people predominate.

Driving to Suphan tomorrow, won't take my passport or keep to the speed limits.

Great stuff.

What really cracks me up, both of them are probably on more per day than yer average TEFLr makes in a month.

Who needs a life, its money that matters, ho ho ho.

Personally, I dont get out of bed for less than 200k per month, the normal daily rate is 20/25 k baht per day depending on location.

Brazil is nice this time of year, North Sea too cold.

Enjoy your stay.

Lol. Are you really bragging about your salary? How shallow can you be? Sad you don't realise how much you're degrading yourself with comments like that.

English teachers are obviously not moving to Thailand for a high-salary. Believe it or not, you can live a very happy life without being paid ten times more than your neighbours.

Tell that to the Thais, its one of the first qustions they ask, how much do you earn.

To the Thais, it defines the pecking order, eg, who should wai who first.

My nickname is Shallow Hal, I can go as low as a ducks ass at 30 fathoms, you?

Degrading myself, yes been there done that, prostitutued myself for the arab oil dollar

[casualbiker]

Jesus H, your English is worse than mine and I dont profess to teach English.

The elite of Thailand will continue to have their offspring educated overseas, as has always been their way.

Your average Somboon has no need for English language skills.

Jeez you live in a country where your average bar girl has better English skills than some of the so called leaders.

English, we dont need your stinking English amigo.

Enjoy your stay, jer gan eek laew na krap, plaer wa (it means) see you when you have the correct qualifications.

i'm tapping away on a forum.. not writing a fxxking thesis. stop being an ass!

No worries, please tell us what exactly you have to offer Thailand.

Are you actually qualified to work here or not?

i was qualified when i got the job as an English conversation teacher over 6 years ago.. Your point is?

Not my point old bean, that was then, this is now.

My qualifications never change, neither do my skills, knowledge, experience or positions held.

In fact these days, its more about positions held and personal recommendations and contacts than qualifications.

Well your lucky then.. and i hope the regulators of your trade don't just pull the carpet out from under you as is happening here in Thailand by Krusapha.

I would hope that your experience changes.. mine does on a daily basis, always more to learn, finding a better way to describe something or realising why a student isn't understanding. But hey i'm just a NES conversation teacher earning less than you do in 2 days. But i console myself because i'm here in Thailand with my beautiful wife and even on a paltry wage i own my own car etc.

[casualbiker]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

EXACTLY!!!

MOST NES conversation teachers are on about 35-45 k baht, some slightly lower, some higher.. but nearly all lead happy lives with their families. Or at least did!

[SirDrumsalot]

A toad and a southern peeled something dominate this thread with their slurs and veiled insults.

One has made 13,000 posts since 2006 about 5 day and the other about 15,400 posts over 6 years or about 7 a day, day in day out.

Both claim to have a life................"ho ho ho"

Sad for Thai Visa that such people predominate.

Driving to Suphan tomorrow, won't take my passport or keep to the speed limits.

Great stuff.

What really cracks me up, both of them are probably on more per day than yer average TEFLr makes in a month.

Who needs a life, its money that matters, ho ho ho.

Personally, I dont get out of bed for less than 200k per month, the normal daily rate is 20/25 k baht per day depending on location.

Brazil is nice this time of year, North Sea too cold.

Enjoy your stay.

Lol. Are you really bragging about your salary? How shallow can you be? Sad you don't realise how much you're degrading yourself with comments like that.

English teachers are obviously not moving to Thailand for a high-salary. Believe it or not, you can live a very happy life without being paid ten times more than your neighbours.

Tell that to the Thais, its one of the first qustions they ask, how much do you earn.

To the Thais, it defines the pecking order, eg, who should wai who first.

My nickname is Shallow Hal, I can go as low as a ducks ass at 30 fathoms, you?

Degrading myself, yes been there done that, prostitutued myself for the arab oil dollar

So because Thais place too much value on money, it's ok for you to do the same? That's like saying, "Thais judge people by the tone of their skin, so that's fine by me". Try setting an example of good values instead of spreading hate.

I know this is way of topic and my apologies to people who are actually concerned. But someone needs to help this sad man.

[mrtoad]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

The top international schools are paying far more than 110 per month for qualified teachers QTS. I said elsewhere that my old housemate from Uni was on 150k a month 6 years ago. He'd previously worked in the ME

[Oceanbat]

I do feel a lot of sympathy for TEFLs wihtout a degree and who have to scramble to find a solution to their situation, especially if they have family or other important ties in Thailand. However, when I was teaching in Bangkok 5 years ago, there was talk of a crackdown on teachers without work permits. At the time I was in my mid-20s, but I worked with a lot of teachers in their 30s and 40s who had been there for a while and had family there. I saw these guys doing their regular visa runs and I decided that was not the lifestyle I wanted to live. I was also afraid of the impending 'crackdown' which has now come to fruition.

So what did I do? I decided to move back to my home-country and pursue a university degree so that I would eventually be able to work legally in Thailand. It was a long 4 years, and a lot of money, but now that I have a degree I'm ready to move back to Thailand and earn a decent salary (by Thai standards that is).

What bothers me the most is how this will affect people who are not abusing the system, but who get caught up in these tighter regulations. I was planning on entering Thailand on a tourist visa, leaving after a few weeks for a short trip in Malaysia and returning 3 days later to enter Thailand on a new tourist visa. Now I'm afraid I will be scrutinized for leaving and returning so quickly although I have no intention on making this a routine. Perhaps I'm being over paranoid, but it may all boil down to the mood the immigration officer is in the day I pass through his station.

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree. It would make complete sense to introduce some sort of TEFL course at colleges in Thailand which could give qualifications to teach in Thailand. This could be a 1 or 2 year course. Any longer and teachers might as well get a University degree. Introducing a course like this would allow Thailand to determine how they want their English teachers trained, allow them to incorporate Thai culture classes and also bring in significant income from tuition fees. Why this has not happened yet is baffling. It's an easy solution. Otherwise, how will Thailand attract qualified teachers if they could earn WAY more teaching in South Korea, Japan or China?

This crackdown was not well thought out at all. But to all you TEFLs without work permits, how long did you really think you could keep up this visa-run lifestyle? I imagine there are a number of loopholes to get around this crackdown, including eduction or marriage visas, but this will take time and money. All I can say is I sincerely wish you the best of luck if you are a teacher who genuinely cares about education and improving your students' English.

"I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree."

Why should they? What planet do you people live on?

OB

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[SirDrumsalot]

I do feel a lot of sympathy for TEFLs wihtout a degree and who have to scramble to find a solution to their situation, especially if they have family or other important ties in Thailand. However, when I was teaching in Bangkok 5 years ago, there was talk of a crackdown on teachers without work permits. At the time I was in my mid-20s, but I worked with a lot of teachers in their 30s and 40s who had been there for a while and had family there. I saw these guys doing their regular visa runs and I decided that was not the lifestyle I wanted to live. I was also afraid of the impending 'crackdown' which has now come to fruition.

So what did I do? I decided to move back to my home-country and pursue a university degree so that I would eventually be able to work legally in Thailand. It was a long 4 years, and a lot of money, but now that I have a degree I'm ready to move back to Thailand and earn a decent salary (by Thai standards that is).

What bothers me the most is how this will affect people who are not abusing the system, but who get caught up in these tighter regulations. I was planning on entering Thailand on a tourist visa, leaving after a few weeks for a short trip in Malaysia and returning 3 days later to enter Thailand on a new tourist visa. Now I'm afraid I will be scrutinized for leaving and returning so quickly although I have no intention on making this a routine. Perhaps I'm being over paranoid, but it may all boil down to the mood the immigration officer is in the day I pass through his station.

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree. It would make complete sense to introduce some sort of TEFL course at colleges in Thailand which could give qualifications to teach in Thailand. This could be a 1 or 2 year course. Any longer and teachers might as well get a University degree. Introducing a course like this would allow Thailand to determine how they want their English teachers trained, allow them to incorporate Thai culture classes and also bring in significant income from tuition fees. Why this has not happened yet is baffling. It's an easy solution. Otherwise, how will Thailand attract qualified teachers if they could earn WAY more teaching in South Korea, Japan or China?

This crackdown was not well thought out at all. But to all you TEFLs without work permits, how long did you really think you could keep up this visa-run lifestyle? I imagine there are a number of loopholes to get around this crackdown, including eduction or marriage visas, but this will take time and money. All I can say is I sincerely wish you the best of luck if you are a teacher who genuinely cares about education and improving your students' English.

"I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree."

Why should they? What planet do you people live on?

OB

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It's just bad governance what they're doing now. They will realise this soon enough and have to rush to make changes so that they don't lose so many English teachers. It's crazy they didn't learn from what happened recently with Cambodian workers - a mass exodus, then they had to immediately set up provisions to get them work permits. There may not be as many English teachers as Cambodian migrant workers in Thailand, but there's surely enough to massively distupt businesses who rely on these teachers.

[casualbiker]

I do feel a lot of sympathy for TEFLs wihtout a degree and who have to scramble to find a solution to their situation, especially if they have family or other important ties in Thailand. However, when I was teaching in Bangkok 5 years ago, there was talk of a crackdown on teachers without work permits. At the time I was in my mid-20s, but I worked with a lot of teachers in their 30s and 40s who had been there for a while and had family there. I saw these guys doing their regular visa runs and I decided that was not the lifestyle I wanted to live. I was also afraid of the impending 'crackdown' which has now come to fruition.

So what did I do? I decided to move back to my home-country and pursue a university degree so that I would eventually be able to work legally in Thailand. It was a long 4 years, and a lot of money, but now that I have a degree I'm ready to move back to Thailand and earn a decent salary (by Thai standards that is).

What bothers me the most is how this will affect people who are not abusing the system, but who get caught up in these tighter regulations. I was planning on entering Thailand on a tourist visa, leaving after a few weeks for a short trip in Malaysia and returning 3 days later to enter Thailand on a new tourist visa. Now I'm afraid I will be scrutinized for leaving and returning so quickly although I have no intention on making this a routine. Perhaps I'm being over paranoid, but it may all boil down to the mood the immigration officer is in the day I pass through his station.

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree. It would make complete sense to introduce some sort of TEFL course at colleges in Thailand which could give qualifications to teach in Thailand. This could be a 1 or 2 year course. Any longer and teachers might as well get a University degree. Introducing a course like this would allow Thailand to determine how they want their English teachers trained, allow them to incorporate Thai culture classes and also bring in significant income from tuition fees. Why this has not happened yet is baffling. It's an easy solution. Otherwise, how will Thailand attract qualified teachers if they could earn WAY more teaching in South Korea, Japan or China?

This crackdown was not well thought out at all. But to all you TEFLs without work permits, how long did you really think you could keep up this visa-run lifestyle? I imagine there are a number of loopholes to get around this crackdown, including eduction or marriage visas, but this will take time and money. All I can say is I sincerely wish you the best of luck if you are a teacher who genuinely cares about education and improving your students' English.

"I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree."

Why should they? What planet do you people live on?

OB

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Maybe because they are one year away from ASEAN integration and the official language of ASEAN is English!

Is that not a good enough reason to come up with realistic rules for TEFL conversation teachers. The category is different than a full subject teacher as has been explained previously on this and other threads.

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[casualbiker]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

The top international schools are paying far more than 110 per month for qualified teachers QTS. I said elsewhere that my old housemate from Uni was on 150k a month 6 years ago. He'd previously worked in the ME

That's as maybe but as there are not that many international schools and far more government and private schools under the ministry of education. Those teachers are on a LOT less .. by the way if you are still in touch with your old mate ask him if he has a 5 year BA'ed if yes. he's qualified if no, then he's not!

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[Oceanbat]

I do feel a lot of sympathy for TEFLs wihtout a degree and who have to scramble to find a solution to their situation, especially if they have family or other important ties in Thailand. However, when I was teaching in Bangkok 5 years ago, there was talk of a crackdown on teachers without work permits. At the time I was in my mid-20s, but I worked with a lot of teachers in their 30s and 40s who had been there for a while and had family there. I saw these guys doing their regular visa runs and I decided that was not the lifestyle I wanted to live. I was also afraid of the impending 'crackdown' which has now come to fruition.

So what did I do? I decided to move back to my home-country and pursue a university degree so that I would eventually be able to work legally in Thailand. It was a long 4 years, and a lot of money, but now that I have a degree I'm ready to move back to Thailand and earn a decent salary (by Thai standards that is).

What bothers me the most is how this will affect people who are not abusing the system, but who get caught up in these tighter regulations. I was planning on entering Thailand on a tourist visa, leaving after a few weeks for a short trip in Malaysia and returning 3 days later to enter Thailand on a new tourist visa. Now I'm afraid I will be scrutinized for leaving and returning so quickly although I have no intention on making this a routine. Perhaps I'm being over paranoid, but it may all boil down to the mood the immigration officer is in the day I pass through his station.

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree. It would make complete sense to introduce some sort of TEFL course at colleges in Thailand which could give qualifications to teach in Thailand. This could be a 1 or 2 year course. Any longer and teachers might as well get a University degree. Introducing a course like this would allow Thailand to determine how they want their English teachers trained, allow them to incorporate Thai culture classes and also bring in significant income from tuition fees. Why this has not happened yet is baffling. It's an easy solution. Otherwise, how will Thailand attract qualified teachers if they could earn WAY more teaching in South Korea, Japan or China?

This crackdown was not well thought out at all. But to all you TEFLs without work permits, how long did you really think you could keep up this visa-run lifestyle? I imagine there are a number of loopholes to get around this crackdown, including eduction or marriage visas, but this will take time and money. All I can say is I sincerely wish you the best of luck if you are a teacher who genuinely cares about education and improving your students' English.

"I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree."

Why should they? What planet do you people live on?

OB

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Maybe because they are one year away from ASEAN integration and the official language of ASEAN is English!

Is that not a good enough reason to come up with realistic rules for TEFL conversation teachers. The category is different than a full subject teacher as has been explained previously on this and other threads.

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I'm new here. My initial impression is there are a lot of people living in LaLa land and have spent too much time here. Most other countries don't make any sort of allowances for people without a college degree as a minimum to migrate OR some special skills or experience. They don't care how important you think they are to the country and they certainly don't feel the same way.

OB

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[casualbiker]

I do feel a lot of sympathy for TEFLs wihtout a degree and who have to scramble to find a solution to their situation, especially if they have family or other important ties in Thailand. However, when I was teaching in Bangkok 5 years ago, there was talk of a crackdown on teachers without work permits. At the time I was in my mid-20s, but I worked with a lot of teachers in their 30s and 40s who had been there for a while and had family there. I saw these guys doing their regular visa runs and I decided that was not the lifestyle I wanted to live. I was also afraid of the impending 'crackdown' which has now come to fruition.

So what did I do? I decided to move back to my home-country and pursue a university degree so that I would eventually be able to work legally in Thailand. It was a long 4 years, and a lot of money, but now that I have a degree I'm ready to move back to Thailand and earn a decent salary (by Thai standards that is).

What bothers me the most is how this will affect people who are not abusing the system, but who get caught up in these tighter regulations. I was planning on entering Thailand on a tourist visa, leaving after a few weeks for a short trip in Malaysia and returning 3 days later to enter Thailand on a new tourist visa. Now I'm afraid I will be scrutinized for leaving and returning so quickly although I have no intention on making this a routine. Perhaps I'm being over paranoid, but it may all boil down to the mood the immigration officer is in the day I pass through his station.

I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree. It would make complete sense to introduce some sort of TEFL course at colleges in Thailand which could give qualifications to teach in Thailand. This could be a 1 or 2 year course. Any longer and teachers might as well get a University degree. Introducing a course like this would allow Thailand to determine how they want their English teachers trained, allow them to incorporate Thai culture classes and also bring in significant income from tuition fees. Why this has not happened yet is baffling. It's an easy solution. Otherwise, how will Thailand attract qualified teachers if they could earn WAY more teaching in South Korea, Japan or China?

This crackdown was not well thought out at all. But to all you TEFLs without work permits, how long did you really think you could keep up this visa-run lifestyle? I imagine there are a number of loopholes to get around this crackdown, including eduction or marriage visas, but this will take time and money. All I can say is I sincerely wish you the best of luck if you are a teacher who genuinely cares about education and improving your students' English.

"I do believe the Thai government, or military junta, is to blame for this nasty situation because they let it go on for so long and have now decided to crackdown on it without presenting viable options for TEFLs without a university degree."

Why should they? What planet do you people live on?

OB

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Maybe because they are one year away from ASEAN integration and the official language of ASEAN is English!

Is that not a good enough reason to come up with realistic rules for TEFL conversation teachers. The category is different than a full subject teacher as has been explained previously on this and other threads.

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I'm new here. My initial impression is there are a lot of people living in LaLa land and have spent too much time here. Most other countries don't make any sort of allowances for people without a college degree as a minimum to migrate OR some special skills or experience. They don't care how important you think they are to the country and they certainly don't feel the same way.

OB

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As a newbie do us all a favour and read up on it. This is Thailand (TIT)

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[mrtoad]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

The top international schools are paying far more than 110 per month for qualified teachers QTS. I said elsewhere that my old housemate from Uni was on 150k a month 6 years ago. He'd previously worked in the ME

That's as maybe but as there are not that many international schools and far more government and private schools under the ministry of education. Those teachers are on a LOT less .. by the way if you are still in touch with your old mate ask him if he has a 5 year BA'ed if yes. he's qualified if no, then he's not!

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Considering BEd in the UK are four year courses then I guess he isn't, which would mean all of those international schools that run a British curriculum would have to leave. I don't know the specifics, but something tells me that international schools will probably be treated somewhat differently. I have a number of friends working in the top international schools and there is no suggestion they are going to know longer qualify.

[casualbiker]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

The top international schools are paying far more than 110 per month for qualified teachers QTS. I said elsewhere that my old housemate from Uni was on 150k a month 6 years ago. He'd previously worked in the ME

That's as maybe but as there are not that many international schools and far more government and private schools under the ministry of education. Those teachers are on a LOT less .. by the way if you are still in touch with your old mate ask him if he has a 5 year BA'ed if yes. he's qualified if no, then he's not!

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Considering BEd in the UK are four year courses then I guess he isn't, which would mean all of those international schools that run a British curriculum would have to leave. I don't know the specifics, but something tells me that international schools will probably be treated somewhat differently. I have a number of friends working in the top international schools and there is no suggestion they are going to know longer qualify.

To be fair international schools tend to be out of the scope of the teachers license requirements as are university's and technical colleges .. bizarre really!

krusapha are now also saying that UK PGCEI qualifications are not enough for a teaching license. A year ago it was ok.

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/education/prospective/pgcei/pgcei-introduction.aspx

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[Bellacissa]

Holy flame war, Batman.

Since there's no WP allowed on a student visa, I guess they can't do both at the same time. Although, I assume the schools that already refuse to pay for a WP don't report that they're teaching illegally.

Personally, I can't imagine circumventing the rules like that, but my guess is that some will go that route if they really want to stay. If not, I hear the Philippines are nice this time of year.

[DP25]

There are now reports of even fully qualified teachers that are being kicked out of the country because their schools mess up or are too slow with paperwork and they are forced to go for a tourist visa, and they aren't being allowed back in the country.

I think a lot of people are just going to get seriously screwed for a while. Best to save up money to evacuate if you are in danger.

[philw]

A toad and a southern peeled something dominate this thread with their slurs and veiled insults.

One has made 13,000 posts since 2006 about 5 day and the other about 15,400 posts over 6 years or about 7 a day, day in day out.

Both claim to have a life................"ho ho ho"

Sad for Thai Visa that such people predominate.

Driving to Suphan tomorrow, won't take my passport or keep to the speed limits.

philw I expected something a bit more articulate from you than stooping to taking swipes at peoples post counts, usually when people do this they have nothing to add to topic and thats all they can come up with, but I am flattered all the same you have taken the time to view my profile, to give he stats but sorry I am not interested not my type..

But good luck at the border

There is no border in Suphanburi.

It's bang in the middle of the country, 100km NW of Bangkok, where a lot of rice grows.

I'm so glad that flattery works for you......Can you read a map ??

[GoonDizzy]

When i took my job i met the criteria at the time. How many times has your job criteria reference qualifications changed.

self entitlement, i don't think so. just a sense of fairness would be nice!

Well I started in Thailand it was in one postion and have moved up the ranks so to speak, therefore the job criteria has changed a few times, if thats what you mean

sorry my friend life isnt fair, but usually those who get ahead, plan ahead and thats all I have ever done over the years.

I think you get the point i'm trying to make. As in when has a the same job that didn't need a degree over a period of 6-7 years then requires a degree. and then a degree in education and then probably from next year an MA'ed.

And how can you plan ahead when they (Krusapha. Thai teachers council) don't actually tell you whats going to happen?

Do you HONESTLY think that a Bachelors degree in Education holder is going to work for 35-40k a month when they can get a job in an International school on 80-110k a month?

80-110 per month, LOL.

Who in their right mind with proper qualifiacations would come to Thailand to earn that amount, ok if retired and looking for something to pass the time, no problem.

I dont see career teachers falling over themselves to come here for that, most are either in Brunei or the Middle East.

The top international schools are paying far more than 110 per month for qualified teachers QTS. I said elsewhere that my old housemate from Uni was on 150k a month 6 years ago. He'd previously worked in the ME

That's as maybe but as there are not that many international schools and far more government and private schools under the ministry of education. Those teachers are on a LOT less .. by the way if you are still in touch with your old mate ask him if he has a 5 year BA'ed if yes. he's qualified if no, then he's not!

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Considering BEd in the UK are four year courses then I guess he isn't, which would mean all of those international schools that run a British curriculum would have to leave. I don't know the specifics, but something tells me that international schools will probably be treated somewhat differently. I have a number of friends working in the top international schools and there is no suggestion they are going to know longer qualify.

To be fair international schools tend to be out of the scope of the teachers license requirements as are university's and technical colleges .. bizarre really!

krusapha are now also saying that UK PGCEI qualifications are not enough for a teaching license. A year ago it was ok.

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/education/prospective/pgcei/pgcei-introduction.aspx

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I don't know anybody with a 5 year BEd. This includes two pals teaching in UK schools. Most have a subject degree (Maths/English whatever) and a PGCE or M.Ed. If they're teaching Primary aged kids then they usually have a three year degree in Education plus a PGCE/M.ED. Try and find a full-time 5 year BEd. Good luck with that. It's hard (impossible) to find out what Krusapha actually want, but it may be a 3 year BEd PLUS a two year M.Ed. Again, not many of teachers within the UK/US have both of those. With the difficulties in changing schools (you need to do a visa run if you do that...good luck with that from mid August!), Thailand may be about to shoot itself in the foot. The question is ''Do they actually care?''

Will be interesting to see if those working in the Inter schools still qualify. If they get refused WPs (unlikely, but who knows?), then we have our answer. Go home Farang!