GiantFan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 A friend called today and said some guys came around her pub last night and wanted 8 grand. I know a license is required, but didn't know it was this high. Small place, so it hurts her. Is this amount correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LivinginKata Posted August 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2014 Tell here to contact .. NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) web site http://www.1111.go.th/ email - [email protected] Face book - facebook hot line 1111 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 From what I heard from a fellow tv poster and musician, the cops are actually going round and offering "refunds" to those that had paid before for whatever reason. These new guys must be imposters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 As said many times, recently, as the cash flow dries up here, everyone should expect more crime and scams. Phuket people have bills to pay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolsti Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe she should get a license? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 "Is this amount correct?" If she is paying directly to the officers, this "amount" is a bribe. But it also sounds to me like they are imposers. Or possibly real but off the reservation fund raising on their own. That is very popular with the Thai police. Calling Chalong police will probably just result in them wanting a cut thus the price goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Phuket still same same eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Amazing that Thais that "own" a business here seem to be clueless to the laws. My wife got a phone call this morning from a friend that rents out motorbikes. She asked what she should do? A customer had an accident! Her response was get a quote from a repair shop for the damage and bill them. Then she said to me, stupid people have a business and don't know the law… Know the law, before you pay the posers… And have your paperwork in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Amazing that Thais that "own" a business here seem to be clueless to the laws. My wife got a phone call this morning from a friend that rents out motorbikes. She asked what she should do? A customer had an accident! Her response was get a quote from a repair shop for the damage and bill them. Then she said to me, stupid people have a business and don't know the law… Know the law, before you pay the posers… And have your paperwork in order. "stupid people have a business and don't know the law" - there's a lesson in her words for all farang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 another good reason to be legal and this would never happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) get them on video making their demands Edited August 31, 2014 by surangw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ksamuiguy Posted August 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2014 There are NO Music Police. There are no Software Police There is a requirement to produce a warrant if they want to look at the music or come behind the bar. (unless you invite them to) The warrant must be signed by a proper court and served by at one Police officer with a Star on his shoulder. If people would learn the law and their rights. We do not live in a police state, but as an any society you need to know the rules and your rights. The biggest deterrent is a cheap video camera and your hand phone, take photos of everyone and their vehicles also. talk loud so customers will note the discussion. Report any insistent to the, NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) web site http://www.1111.go.th/ email - [email protected] Face book - Facebook hot line 1111 Don't give them any money, best to tell them to take you to the Main police station, Not a police box. There are NO music or software police roaming the streets of Thailand. There are laws on this and your rights, learn them. Instruct your staff. Staff do not talk to these people, they need to call you, the manager or owner. Stand your ground call the police, take photos, don't become a victim. If enough people stand up to these crooks and scrammers they will go else where, Get involved help your neighbor, take photos, call the police. Know the Law and Your rights. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 There are NO Music Police. There are no Software Police There is a requirement to produce a warrant if they want to look at the music or come behind the bar. (unless you invite them to) The warrant must be signed by a proper court and served by at one Police officer with a Star on his shoulder. If people would learn the law and their rights. We do not live in a police state, but as an any society you need to know the rules and your rights. The biggest deterrent is a cheap video camera and your hand phone, take photos of everyone and their vehicles also. talk loud so customers will note the discussion. Report any insistent to the, NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) web site http://www.1111.go.th/ email - [email protected] Face book - Facebook hot line 1111 Don't give them any money, best to tell them to take you to the Main police station, Not a police box. There are NO music or software police roaming the streets of Thailand. There are laws on this and your rights, learn them. Instruct your staff. Staff do not talk to these people, they need to call you, the manager or owner. Stand your ground call the police, take photos, don't become a victim. If enough people stand up to these crooks and scrammers they will go else where, Get involved help your neighbor, take photos, call the police. Know the Law and Your rights. And be legal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) Tell here to contact .. NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) web site http://www.1111.go.th/ email - [email protected] Face book - Facebook hot line 1111 What is the FB link? This one is incomplete. (If you copy text from TV you need to hit "quote" first, then toggle the BBCode switch or you may lose the middle part of the link if it's too long and TV software shortens it.) Edited September 1, 2014 by LivinginKata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Tell here to contact .. NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) web site http://www.1111.go.th/ email - [email protected] Face book - Facebook hot line 1111 What is the FB link? This one is incomplete. (If you copy text from TV you need to hit "quote" first, then toggle the BBCode switch or you may lose the middle part of the link if it's too long and TV software shortens it.) Corrected in original post https://www.facebook.com/phuket.anticorruption 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireMedic Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Tell them to speak up because they are being audio/video taped because the owner wants to see all transactions for "safety" reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Tell them to speak up because they are being audio/video taped because the owner wants to see all transactions for "safety" reasons. +1 Take it from FM, he is the master at recording scams by officials and others in Phuket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) The bottom line is it is illegal to play copyrighted music in a public place in Thailand, and there is a legitimate organisation (MPC; (www.mpcmusic.co.th. Tel 02 641 52113) through which a permit can be purchased for foreign music. If you can afford it (5000B a year in most cases) it might be worth getting to stay legal. The system allows for negotiations and is open to abuse and is often used by extortionists posing as MPC officials or police. Even MPC representatives have been known to work with local police officers and extort money, splitting it 50-50 with the officer.There are several organisations collecting royalties for Thai music, so that's easy, don't play Thai music. www.thebigchilli.com/features/breaking-the-lawhttp://www.chiangmaicitynews.com/news.php?id=1526http://legacy.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=211I'll speak to some police officials in Phuket about this and post the response. Edited September 1, 2014 by NomadJoe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I noticed something interesting today in the gazette. " Among its assets are several hotels, including the Patong Bay Residence; Patong Bay Resotel; and the Patong Bay Garden Resort, as well as Baan Kamnan and La Casa restaurants; Pisona Tour; car rental agency K Pisona Company; Pisona Insurance Broker Company and Pisona Publishing Company, which acquires music usage license rights for bars, restaurants and other entertainment businesses" I didn't realise they were connected to music license inspectors/collectors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keestha Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The bottom line is it is illegal to play copyrighted music in a public place in Thailand, and there is a legitimate organisation (MPC; (www.mpcmusic.co.th. Tel 02 641 52113) through which a permit can be purchased for foreign music. If you can afford it (5000B a year in most cases) it might be worth getting to stay legal. The system allows for negotiations and is open to abuse and is often used by extortionists posing as MPC officials or police. Even MPC representatives have been known to work with local police officers and extort money, splitting it 50-50 with the officer. There are several organisations collecting royalties for Thai music, so that's easy, don't play Thai music. www.thebigchilli.com/features/breaking-the-law http://www.chiangmaicitynews.com/news.php?id=1526 http://legacy.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=211 I'll speak to some police officials in Phuket about this and post the response. Confirmed. The amount you pay each year depends on the number of tables, I am paying 3745 Baht per year. It is easy to arrange yourself, by e-mail and bank transfer. It gives you the right to play practically all Farang music, but no Thai music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I noticed something interesting today in the gazette. " Among its assets are several hotels, including the Patong Bay Residence; Patong Bay Resotel; and the Patong Bay Garden Resort, as well as Baan Kamnan and La Casa restaurants; Pisona Tour; car rental agency K Pisona Company; Pisona Insurance Broker Company and Pisona Publishing Company, which acquires music usage license rights for bars, restaurants and other entertainment businesses" I didn't realise they were connected to music license inspectors/collectors. Why am I not surprised the Kesins are involved. "We have donet nothing wrong." He says today. Yeah, and elephants are about to fly out of my butt. This guy is a mini Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keestha Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The bottom line is it is illegal to play copyrighted music in a public place in Thailand, and there is a legitimate organisation (MPC; (www.mpcmusic.co.th. Tel 02 641 52113) through which a permit can be purchased for foreign music. If you can afford it (5000B a year in most cases) it might be worth getting to stay legal. The system allows for negotiations and is open to abuse and is often used by extortionists posing as MPC officials or police. Even MPC representatives have been known to work with local police officers and extort money, splitting it 50-50 with the officer. There are several organisations collecting royalties for Thai music, so that's easy, don't play Thai music. www.thebigchilli.com/features/breaking-the-law http://www.chiangmaicitynews.com/news.php?id=1526 http://legacy.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=211 I'll speak to some police officials in Phuket about this and post the response. Confirmed. The amount you pay each year depends on the number of tables, I am paying 3745 Baht per year. It is easy to arrange yourself, by e-mail and bank transfer. It gives you the right to play practically all Farang music, but no Thai music. Update. Their tariffs went up, I have to pay 5350 Baht including VAT now. When I called them, they told me that's what they charge old customers, people opening a bar with max 30 seats or a restaurant with max 60 seats now will have to pay 10,700 Baht VAT included. From their website: Karaoke A. For 1-10th Monitor B. For 11th monitor and subsequently 5,000 Baht/Monitor/Year 2,500 Baht/Monitor/Year P02 Restaurant / Chain Restaurant Size A 201 seats up Size B 101-200 seats Size C 61-100 seats Size D 1-60 seats 35,000 Baht/Year 25,000 Baht/Year 15,000 Baht/Year 10,000 Baht/Year P03 Bar/Pub/Lounge / Discothèque Size A 101 seats up B 61-100 seats C 31-60 seats D 1-30 seats 35,000 Baht/Year 25,000 Baht/Year 15,000 Baht/Year 10,000 Baht/Year P04 Beer Park 50 Baht/Seats/Month P05 Hotel / Hospital (Minimum charge 30,000 Baht/ Year) A - Room rate 5,000 – 5,999 Baht and over B - Room rate 4,000 – 4,999 Baht C - Room rate 3,000 – 3,999 Baht D - Room rate 2,000 – 2,999 Baht E - Room rate 2,000 Baht 1,000 Baht/Room/Year 800 Baht/Room/Year 600 Baht/Room/Year 600 Baht/Room/Year 400 Baht/Room/Year P06 Department Store/Shopping Center/Supermarket (Minimum charge 10,000 Baht/ Year) 20 Baht/Square Meter/Year P07 (Minimum charge 5,000 Baht/ Year) 20 Baht/Square Meter/Year P08 Bowling 800 Baht/Lane/Year P09 Skating Rink / Ice Skating Rink / Racing Circuit 10,000 Baht/Outlet/Year P010 Cinema(Theatrical Music) 50,000 Baht/Teather/Year or 1% of gross box office P11 Cinema (Background Music) 5,000Baht/Teather/Year P12 Dance - Music School/Studio 12,000 Baht/Outlet/Year P13 Fitness Center/Spa (Minimum charge 10,000 Baht/Year) 40 Baht/Square Meter/Year P14 Office/ lobby/ swimming pool/ Beauty - Hair Salon (Minimum charge 5,000 Baht/Year) 20 Baht/Square Meter/Year P15 Telephone (Music on hold) Over 60 lines 21 to 60 lines 1 to 20 lines 40,000 Baht/Switchboard/Year 20,000 Baht/Switchboard/Year 10,000 Baht/Switchboard/Year P16 Single Event/ Fashion Show/ Party/ Exhibition Hall Size up to 10,000 sqm. and over Size 5,001-10,000 sqm. Size 2,001-5,000 sqm. Size 501-2,000 sqm. Size 300-500 sqm. Not over 300 sqm. 100,000 Baht/Day 80,000 Baht/Day 50,000 Baht/Day 25,000 Baht/Day 8,000 Baht/Day 5,000 Baht/Day P17 Jukebox / Games Console 5,000 Baht/Monitor/Year P18 Monitor Ad. / TV Wall 5,000 Baht/Monitor/Year P19 Golf Driving Range/ Snooker or Pool Club 5,000 Baht/Outlet/Year P20 Public Vehicle (Bus, Coach, Ship, River Cruise) 5,000 Baht/ Vehicle/ Year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Tell them to speak up because they are being audio/video taped because the owner wants to see all transactions for "safety" reasons. Or, tell them you have no money because you gave it all to a fake monk earlier that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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