Scottish independence: Yes camp hails 'momentum'

[BKK Blues Brother]

[smokie36]

Ooops - I made the mistake of leaving my browser open and transam jumped in with the same old questions which have been answered umpteen times already.

You are absolutely right, you don't know the answers, gawd it is difficult here at times..........

Currency : Pound

EU: Probably if it suits us.

Defence: Nuclear stuff out.

Jobs: Lowered taxes and investment breaks for new companies.

Oil: Its ours....and we may encourage new exploration....and better education so our kids can get work on the se fields.

Education: Free to university level for all who attain the required standard.....based on need.....rich families can and should pay a contribution.

Heath: Free

Pensions: No change

Taxation: I can see income tax remaining same....perhaps going up slighly in the interim then dropping again.

At last we have concrete answers........... ....................

North sea oil is going to pay for all that! The nationalists are living in fantasy land..

As i predicted..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093574/Scotland-heading-for-a-Great-Depression-after-a-Yes-vote.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10406584_1461413580813731_2529123809395144955_n.jpg?oh=639ee2d0f6e8332e64f82c7dfe257840&oe=54A0D3F4&__gda__=1419086659_c51085b2880f087ce5ee79cbfca30ccf

You forget there are only 5 million of us as opposed to your near 60 million.

[MJP]

Ooops - I made the mistake of leaving my browser open and transam jumped in with the same old questions which have been answered umpteen times already.

You are absolutely right, you don't know the answers, gawd it is difficult here at times..........

Currency : Pound

EU: Probably if it suits us.

Defence: Nuclear stuff out.

Jobs: Lowered taxes and investment breaks for new companies.

Oil: Its ours....and we may encourage new exploration....and better education so our kids can get work on the se fields.

Education: Free to university level for all who attain the required standard.....based on need.....rich families can and should pay a contribution.

Heath: Free

Pensions: No change

Taxation: I can see income tax remaining same....perhaps going up slighly in the interim then dropping again.

At last we have concrete answers........... ....................

North sea oil is going to pay for all that! The nationalists are living in fantasy land..

As i predicted..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093574/Scotland-heading-for-a-Great-Depression-after-a-Yes-vote.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10406584_1461413580813731_2529123809395144955_n.jpg?oh=639ee2d0f6e8332e64f82c7dfe257840&oe=54A0D3F4&__gda__=1419086659_c51085b2880f087ce5ee79cbfca30ccf

You forget there are only 5 million of us as opposed to your near 60 million.

Really is them and us this isn't it?

Time for English to have their say if they want out from the rest, seeing as how we're so hated.

[transam]

Ooops - I made the mistake of leaving my browser open and transam jumped in with the same old questions which have been answered umpteen times already.

You are absolutely right, you don't know the answers, gawd it is difficult here at times..........

Currency : Pound

EU: Probably if it suits us.

Defence: Nuclear stuff out.

Jobs: Lowered taxes and investment breaks for new companies.

Oil: Its ours....and we may encourage new exploration....and better education so our kids can get work on the se fields.

Education: Free to university level for all who attain the required standard.....based on need.....rich families can and should pay a contribution.

Heath: Free

Pensions: No change

Taxation: I can see income tax remaining same....perhaps going up slighly in the interim then dropping again.

At last we have concrete answers........... ....................

North sea oil is going to pay for all that! The nationalists are living in fantasy land..

As i predicted..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093574/Scotland-heading-for-a-Great-Depression-after-a-Yes-vote.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10406584_1461413580813731_2529123809395144955_n.jpg?oh=639ee2d0f6e8332e64f82c7dfe257840&oe=54A0D3F4&__gda__=1419086659_c51085b2880f087ce5ee79cbfca30ccf

You forget there are only 5 million of us as opposed to your near 60 million.

Perhaps you should be thankful to the 60 mill for what you have now eh......

[smokie36]

Let's lead on from there transam.....tell us in your own words why Scots should vote to remain in the union....floor is yours ....

[transam]

Let's lead on from there transam.....tell us in your own words why Scots should vote to remain in the union....floor is yours ....

OK.. ...I will try...remember these are MY thoughts.

After many centuries of fighting, English against English, English against Scots over a HUGE amount of time we came out of it with ALL the factions of our weeeeeeeee Island standing together, moving on. When we did that our weeeeeee Island became a world force, though small it is respected around the globe. If our union has a problem , we fight for it. We don't cower even if the odds were not good.

Since the WW2 we have moved on with an NHS that the world cannot beat, a perfect social security that most of the world can't beat. How did we do it, the union did it, thoughts from Scots, English and Welsh, thats how we did it.

If King Salmond with his oil "thingy" wants to take you out of the achievement GAINED by the union, well, thats up to you. But remember, our fore fathers fought for what we have. Has now nothing to do with the present government, most of us hate it cos the people did NOT vote for this coalition. There should never be a coalition, there should be a second vote so folk can give their second opinion to really achieve.

I have never been in the UK forces, but my family have, I worked with guys that did stuff from all over the union, never a bad word about our union guys, they could do stuff TOGETHER.

The world is getting smaller, so why should Scotland want o disenfranchise itself from it's partners now ?. To me it is disrespect to those that stood together for what we have.........

[smokie36]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

[MJP]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

[transam]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

Thank you.........

[MJP]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

Thank you.........

Argh . . . get 'em gone. Move the military out next week, close the border and rap it all up.

Sick of it.

[smokie36]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

I'm sorry to hear that and I appreciate it affected many south of the border too.

Thatcher looked after her South East base and screw everyone else....the Tory mantra....as England moves further to the right we look on horrified in Scotland....we have a chance to jump off that ship and many of us are taking it.

[MJP]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

I'm sorry to hear that and I appreciate it affected many south of the border too.

Thatcher looked after her South East base and screw everyone else....the Tory mantra....as England moves further to the right we look on horrified in Scotland....we have a chance to jump off that ship and many of us are taking it.

She was a <deleted> of the highest order.

[smokie36]

Scotland is not essentially always socialist....but there is no way a government with such right wing leaning could win three terms....so in a situation where economically not much is really likely to change for the average person....that is enough reason for us to take the opportunity.

My own thoughts are we will be better off eventually however.

[transam]

You know in a way the English are now getting payback for their Tory government of the 80s....who treated Scotland with contempt. Its this distrust which is leading a lot of us who were around then to vote for independence....not a few barrels of oil.

We don't trust our so called partners not to repeat what happened then and the Bedroom Tax has not helped matters.

Add on the threat of student fees and we are appalled at the future gap in the UK between rich and poor which can only get worse with these policies.

Excuse me but they treated everyone with contempt, including the English. Their interest rate policy (15% base rate) caused my family to lose everything and break up, I was homeless at 16.

But no, of course it was only Scotland that suffered. As usual.

I'm sorry to hear that and I appreciate it affected many south of the border too.

Thatcher looked after her South East base and screw everyone else....the Tory mantra....as England moves further to the right we look on horrified in Scotland....we have a chance to jump off that ship and many of us are taking it.

Your wrong. I am a Londoner and was stuffed by Thatcher stuff. Why, cos I was an ordinary working guy, not a hi-so. Think again....Wherever in the union it was not good for the worker, regardless of location.

BUT, if you Scots want to go it alone with absolutely NO answers, then you are daft, 50% of you Scots are not daft and can SEE there are NO answers. If the SNP had the answers it would perhaps be a landslide victory, but they ain't, just sales talk, sadly.

[MJP]

Scotland is not essentially always socialist....but there is no way a government with such right wing leaning could win three terms....so in a situation where economically not much is really likely to change for the average person....that is enough reason for us to take the opportunity.

My own thoughts are we will be better off eventually however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q

Play it. Then play it again. Then play it again.

Believe me you'll feel better.

[MAJIC]

"Scotlands vote is not about Braveheart or kilts or tribal nationalism. Its about democracy"

"Even more startling, Scotlands independence can be consensual. England and Wales, to their enormous credit, have already accepted Scottish sovereignty, and whatever happens in the referendum there is no going back on that decent and gracious decision. Scotland may or may not become an independent country but it is already and without argument a free country."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/12/scotland-vote-braveheart-nationalism-democracy-independence

Decent piece.....when he talks of unaccountable government I am reminded of the government which covered up the Hillsborough disaster.

That alone shows you what the Tories are capable of and frankly that no one served jail time for that is an absolute disgrace.

So in looking at Westminster government....perhaps many Scots will think issues on currency to be less important than removing an undemocratic government from making decisions which affect our lives but we have no say in.

Yup I would vote YES simply in memory of the closures of the '80's and the Poll Tax fiasco.

It wasn't just the Scotch that suffered in the eighties Everybody except Thatchers Yuppies, selected paper shufflers,and draconian slave driving employers.

So don't blame that on ordinary people!

Thatcher needed a Test ground for the Poll Tax,and being always right,would not accept that the Poll Tax was never going to work,and was dead before it was properly implemented,the Scots buried it,so thanks for that!

[smokie36]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

[MAJIC]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

[transam]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

Not me ol'son, not me...

[MJP]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

It was in response to another disastrous Labour government in the 70's, not too much different to the one we've just had.

UK never managed to stop the pendulum swinging and find balance and sensibility.

I don't blame the Scots for wanting out. Wanting to find some balance and sensibility. But the management of transition looks to be a potential disaster, complete disaster actually. It should have been written into law how this would happen in the event of a Yes vote to minimise destabilising effects. None have done the leg work needed to make this painless.

Edited September 13, 2014 by MJP

[pitrevie]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

Alas another myth like so many things said about Thatcherism. In fact, Scottish support was crucial to her coming to power. At the 1979 election, the Conservatives won over 31% of the Scottish vote, an increase of almost a third on the previous election In 1979, the Tories also won 22 Scottish seats; had these gone to other parties, Thatcher's 44-strong majority would have disappeared entirely.

[smokie36]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

[MAJIC]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

Update on Thatcher % share of the Vote in 3 Elections.

1979 = 43.9 %

1983 = 42.4 %

1987 = 42.2 %

[MJP]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

Brings me back to the 'let's make the M25 the border'.

[smokie36]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

Alas another myth like so many things said about Thatcherism. In fact, Scottish support was crucial to her coming to power. At the 1979 election, the Conservatives won over 31% of the Scottish vote, an increase of almost a third on the previous election In 1979, the Tories also won 22 Scottish seats; had these gone to other parties, Thatcher's 44-strong majority would have disappeared entirely.

How many Scottish seats did she win in 1987?....I never knew that BTW so thanks for the history lesson.

[MAJIC]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

Indeed,a Topic on its own!

[transam]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

Rubbish............. .......Someone been brainwashing you...?..........

OK ALL YOU LONDONERS.....You rich cos of Thatcher..........

Bet we have some here........

[MAJIC]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

I never ever voted for her! neither have I ever voted Conservative!

[smokie36]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

Indeed,a Topic on its own!

This debate has raised a couple of topics that might be best served discussed on the Pub forum.....interesting to hear the differing views and experiences though.

[smokie36]

You can't deny you voted Thatcher into power three times.

Three tines you should play it to soothe yourselves.

If my memory serves me,Thatcher never Polled more than 46% of the vote in any one of her 3 Elections!

That's an issue of electoral reform isn't it?

Bottom line is the English voted her into power each time....because they were making pot loads of cash....the southern English at least.

That's the English way of course.....vote for the party that gives you wealth at the expense of the rest.

That one is for discussion BTW.....:-P

Rubbish............. .......Someone been brainwashing you...?..........

OK ALL YOU LONDONERS.....You rich cos of Thatcher..........

Bet we have some here........

So tell me....who were all those people who voted Tory?....cos no one on here is admitting to it.