US rebuff to gay marriage opponents

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US rebuff to gay marriage opponents

WASHINGTON: -- The US Supreme Court has rejected appeals against gay marriage in five states - Indiana, Utah, Oklahoma, Virginia and Wisconsin.

The move increases the number of states where same-sex marriage is legal to 30, plus the District of Columbia.

By declining to hear the appeals, the court left intact lower court rulings that had struck down those state bans.

Support for gay marriage in the US has gained momentum since the Supreme Court delivered two landmark rulings in 2013.

Monday's ruling means that the nine justices of the court have stopped short from resolving the question of same-sex marriage nationwide.

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

"Today is a joyous day for thousands of couples across America who will immediately feel the impact of today's Supreme Court action," said Chad Griffin, president of Human Rights Campaign.

But he urged the court to tackle "a complex and discriminatory patchwork of marriage laws" that remain in place.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29508566


-- BBC 2014-10-07

[kamahele]

Yay!

[kleelof]

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

Isn't that a bible word?

[TPI]

So? gay people can be christian as well or is there some ruling from god that says that they can't? Oh yeah, they can't be the "RIGHT" sort of christian!!

[Suradit69]

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

Isn't that a bible word?

The Rapture makes reference to a Biblical expectation of uplifting, but the word "rapture" is not in the Bible and certainly "rapturously" is not.

It's pure BBC in this case, but then I suppose words like "the" and "received" are Bible words in the sense that they appear in English versions of the Bible.

And of course the favorite word of those who (mis)use the Bible as an assault weapon is "abomination," such when attacking those vile people who eat shrimp:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Edited October 7, 2014 by Suradit69

[Suradit69]

So? gay people can be christian as well or is there some ruling from god that says that they can't? Oh yeah, they can't be the "RIGHT" sort of christian!!

Yes, as the Pope recently said:

... he doesn't have any problem with the inclination to homosexuality itself: "Who am I to judge them if they're seeking the Lord in good faith?" he said."

Unfortunately some alleged Christians spend most of their time judging others and too little time putting their own houses in order.

[Jingthing]

The supreme court has been sending mixed messages lately. For awhile it looked like they were gearing up to make the final, definitive ruling that would in effect legalize same sex marriage in all 50 states (making discrimination against that unconstitutional). However, NOW, in simplistic terms, the message seems to be ... the issue is already won for the marriage equality supporters ... but just LET IT HAPPEN organically and don't even bother to rush to make that definitive ruling, at least soon. In either case, yes, this all does mean victory for marriage equality supporters in the USA ... what isn't known yet are the specific details on how the inevitable 50 state inclusion will happen, and exactly when. But it will happen ... you can bet the house on that now.

Another sign that this civil rights battle is won ... the traditionally anti-gay right wing republican party is not even using marriage equality opposition as important part in their upcoming campaigns. That has always worked for them in the past, even credited with winning a presidential election for Bush. But they can read the polls ... the majority now support marriage equality.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Jingthing

[Benmart]

"Unfortunately some alleged Christians spend most of their time judging others and too little time putting their own houses in order."

Suradit69, I agree with you.

Some posters have much in common with the Christians you refered to.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Benmart

[kleelof]

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

Isn't that a bible word?

The Rapture makes reference to a Biblical expectation of uplifting, but the word "rapture" is not in the Bible and certainly "rapturously" is not.

It's pure BBC in this case, but then I suppose words like "the" and "received" are Bible words in the sense that they appear in English versions of the Bible.

And of course the favorite word of those who (mis)use the Bible as an assault weapon is "abomination," such when attacking those vile people who eat shrimp:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Rapture IS a bible word for the only reason that if you mention the word to Christians, they will immediately think of the bible. How often do you hear this word outside of the bible?

Rapturously is the adverb of rapture. Therefore, it is a bible word too.

It is obvious the writer used the word intentionally to insert their own skewed opinion of the subject.

[halloween]

As long as it's not compulsory.......

[sustento]

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

Isn't that a bible word?

The Rapture makes reference to a Biblical expectation of uplifting, but the word "rapture" is not in the Bible and certainly "rapturously" is not.

It's pure BBC in this case, but then I suppose words like "the" and "received" are Bible words in the sense that they appear in English versions of the Bible.

And of course the favorite word of those who (mis)use the Bible as an assault weapon is "abomination," such when attacking those vile people who eat shrimp:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Rapture IS a bible word for the only reason that if you mention the word to Christians, they will immediately think of the bible. How often do you hear this word outside of the bible?

Rapturously is the adverb of rapture. Therefore, it is a bible word too.

It is obvious the writer used the word intentionally to insert their own skewed opinion of the subject.

How often do you hear it in the Bible considering that its origins are in the 1600s?

rapture (n.) c.1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c.1600 (raptures).

Edited October 7, 2014 by sustento

[kleelof]

But it was received rapturously by gay marriage campaigners.

Isn't that a bible word?

The Rapture makes reference to a Biblical expectation of uplifting, but the word "rapture" is not in the Bible and certainly "rapturously" is not.

It's pure BBC in this case, but then I suppose words like "the" and "received" are Bible words in the sense that they appear in English versions of the Bible.

And of course the favorite word of those who (mis)use the Bible as an assault weapon is "abomination," such when attacking those vile people who eat shrimp:

Rapture IS a bible word for the only reason that if you mention the word to Christians, they will immediately think of the bible. How often do you hear this word outside of the bible?

Rapturously is the adverb of rapture. Therefore, it is a bible word too.

It is obvious the writer used the word intentionally to insert their own skewed opinion of the subject.

How often do you hear it in the Bible considering that its origins are in the 1600s?

rapture (n.) c.1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c.1600 (raptures).

Well, since nobody reads bibles that old or older, what is in bibles before then or up to that point is not relevant. It is in the King James version now. And, as I said, you say the word 'rapture' to most Christians and they will think of the bible.

So, perhaps saying it is a 'bible' word is incorrect. It is a Christian-friendly word.

Either way, it is obvious the writer used it to insert their view in an very sneaky and underhanded way. There are PLENTY of other words that would have fit and been more easily understood.

Someone mentioned the BBC earlier. Are these the kinds of nuts they hire to report their news now?

[Jingthing]

The U.S. is not a theocracy. All this bible talk is irrelevant.

[kleelof]

The U.S. is not a theocracy. All this bible talk is irrelevant.

Put down that beer and pay attention.

We are talking about the reporter, not America.

[Trentham]

Why Can't I Own a Canadian? October 2002

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,

Jim

[sustento]

How often do you hear it in the Bible considering that its origins are in the 1600s?

rapture (n.) c.1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c.1600 (raptures).

Well, since nobody reads bibles that old or older, what is in bibles before then or up to that point is not relevant. It is in the King James version now. And, as I said, you say the word 'rapture' to most Christians and they will think of the bible.

So, perhaps saying it is a 'bible' word is incorrect. It is a Christian-friendly word.

Either way, it is obvious the writer used it to insert their view in an very sneaky and underhanded way. There are PLENTY of other words that would have fit and been more easily understood.

Someone mentioned the BBC earlier. Are these the kinds of nuts they hire to report their news now?

Doing a search of an online version of the King James Bible I am unable to find a single occurrence of the word 'rapture'.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

I think when you say 'most Christians' you probably mean 'most American Christians'. It's not a word in common use amongst Christians in the UK.

BTW the original King James Bible was published in 1611.

[kleelof]

Doing a search of an online version of the King James Bible I am unable to find a single occurrence of the word 'rapture'.

I think when you say 'most Christians' you probably mean 'most American Christians'. It's not a word in common use amongst Christians in the UK.

I just called 3 of my English friends and asked them what they thought when they hear the word 'rapture'. Every one of them mentioned the bible or some other Christian reference.

So, according to my poll, you may be mistaken about U.K. Christians and their thoughts about the word rapture.

Of course, I did not poll any Irish. They may be the exception.

Why is it the English so often think they are above this type of small thinking and reserve it just for Americans? I've met enough English to know they can be just as stupid and arrogant as any American.

[chuckd]

It appears to me that the SCOTUS has decided this is a State's Rights issue and has thrown it back on the various states to decide their own fate.

Rather a sensible conclusion in my mind.

@ Trentham:

I've seen your post #12 before and I found it as funny this time as the first time around. I'm a Christian by the way.

I wouldn't recommend Dr. Schlesinger do something similar to the Koran. We don't need any more reasons for them to take the law into their own hands

Edited October 7, 2014 by chuckd

[sustento]

You called three of your English friends in the past 10 minutes in order to prove me wrong? Wow.

I didn't say that Americans were 'small thinking'. I said they're familiar with the concept of the rapture whereas those in the UK are not.

[Jingthing]

This discussion is bizarre. Just figure out the CONTEXT of the use of the word rapturously in this news item. It has NOTHING to do with any religious connotations. There is a major news story here and the discussion here is about the use a word? Weird.

Next ...

[kleelof]

This discussion is bizarre. Just figure out the CONTEXT of the use of the word rapturously in this news item. It has NOTHING to do with any religious connotations. There is a major news story here and the discussion here is about the use a word? Weird.

Next ...

It is an important news story. I am so glad to see my country catching-up on such an important issue.

However, it is apparent that the author of the story does not agree and chose to use a word that is so easily associated with Christianity. Sure, the verb form of the word fits, but there are much-much better words to use but they chose this one somewhat obscure word.

[kleelof]

You called three of your English friends in the past 10 minutes in order to prove me wrong? Wow.

I didn't say that Americans were 'small thinking'. I said they're familiar with the concept of the rapture whereas those in the UK are not.

You're correct. I guess I just get tired of UKians talking in a way that sounds like they are above things Americans are not.

[Jingthing]

A real ad:

NOW the majority of U.S. states have marriage equality and the majority of Americans live in marriage equality states.

Opponents of U.S. marriage equality ... it's as good as over.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Jingthing

[JockPieandBeans]

You called three of your English friends in the past 10 minutes in order to prove me wrong? Wow.

I didn't say that Americans were 'small thinking'. I said they're familiar with the concept of the rapture whereas those in the UK are not.

You're correct. I guess I just get tired of UKians talking in a way that sounds like they are above things Americans are not.

Mention "Rapture " to me, and I automatically thought of an American.

Her name was Debbie Harry

[Wat dee]

I wonder if those states that don't allow gay marriages, still allows man to marry with donkey ?

[kleelof]

You called three of your English friends in the past 10 minutes in order to prove me wrong? Wow.

I didn't say that Americans were 'small thinking'. I said they're familiar with the concept of the rapture whereas those in the UK are not.

You're correct. I guess I just get tired of UKians talking in a way that sounds like they are above things Americans are not.

Mention "Rapture " to me, and I automatically thought of an American.

Her name was Debbie Harry

HA! I thought you were going to say George W.

[smotherb]

As the prophet Deborah spake, "Man to man, body muscular Seismic decibel by the jugular Wall to wall, tea time technology And a digital ladder, no sign of bad luck in rapture"

[ggt]

"Today is a joyous day!

Not everyone...would agree with this statement...

[Expat1]

A country that was.

[ableguy]

So? gay people can be christian as well or is there some ruling from god that says that they can't? Oh yeah, they can't be the "RIGHT" sort of christian!!

Who is God ? I could go on but each to his own.