Thai PM faces protest on first outing on world stage

[Thanet]

He has been branded a criminal by Italian protestors

All eight of them, none of whom have ever even been to Thailand.

such a miserable statement they were not 8 but the mother of Fabio Polenghi the italian journalist was there

dont you have any respect for a mother who lost his son?

she went to thailand many times to follow the case,btw

No offence, but with all here dragging their opinions, favorite colour and so into the discussion, the innocent and those seeking truth will lose out, as usual.

Take your own advice, and say nothing more then.

[robblok]

He has been branded a criminal by Italian protestors

All eight of them, none of whom have ever even been to Thailand.

such a miserable statement they were not 8 but the mother of Fabio Polenghi the italian journalist was there

dont you have any respect for a mother who lost his son?

she went to thailand many times to follow the case,btw

Just a few protesters, must be such a dissapointment for all those anti junta people here. The sad thing is PTP could be still in power if Taksin had not overreached and put himself at the amnesty list. So put blame where it should be at the PTP.

Also them hiding the red terrorist that killed protesters was not a good thing it made them an illegitimate government ready to be disposed.

Respect I do have for her.. but her son put himself in harms way for his job. I can understand her grief but the guy did choose this job.

Edited October 18, 2014 by robblok

[BSJ]

PM Prayuth has been under fire since the beginning. I think we will need many more months to be passed before we can come to any conclusion regarding his motives.

[Thanet]

Unfortunately we still don't have reforms to be able to 'forget' about Pheu Thai and remarks from 'defender of some form of democracy' Jatuporn suggests those reforms are really needed.

That is assuming you want Thailand to progress, like Italy make sure a new Berlusconi will be near impossible, things like that.

You mean that Prayuth is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day, right? Cronyism, hatred of criticism, association with people of unusual wealth, things like that.

Even with the censored press, and devotional people like you who believe it, your hero is making one crass mistake after another.

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

[rubl]

Unfortunately we still don't have reforms to be able to 'forget' about Pheu Thai and remarks from 'defender of some form of democracy' Jatuporn suggests those reforms are really needed.

That is assuming you want Thailand to progress, like Italy make sure a new Berlusconi will be near impossible, things like that.

You mean that Prayuth is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day, right? Cronyism, hatred of criticism, association with people of unusual wealth, things like that.

Even with the censored press, and devotional people like you who believe it, your hero is making one crass mistake after another.

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

None so blind ... ...

[Fred Flinstone]

This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

,,, and that's why most government nowadays watch social media. Of course only to 'take care'. Ask Snowden.

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Edited October 18, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[rubl]

This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

,,, and that's why most government nowadays watch social media. Of course only to 'take care'. Ask Snowden.

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

[fab4]

This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

,,, and that's why most government nowadays watch social media. Of course only to 'take care'. Ask Snowden.

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

Still on topic then rubl? I could have sworn this forum was about Thailand

[rubl]

,,, and that's why most government nowadays watch social media. Of course only to 'take care'. Ask Snowden.

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

Still on topic then rubl? I could have sworn this forum was about Thailand

True, oh so true. That's why some like to comment on what PM Prayut may have said in Milan and relate it to the 'deplorable state of freedom' in Thailand, completely ignoring the Internet surveillance done in their (possibly) own country.

FF wrote

"This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'"

So, did you actually read those articles about the friendly, 'take care' attitude of the Australian Government? When will the UK follow?

[tbthailand]

Wait 'till he travels to London one day!

you mean when he goes to visit Rose's house?

[rubl]

Wait 'till he travels to London one day!

you mean when he goes to visit Rose's house?

Now you lost me, my dear TB.

In London there seems to be a Montessori School, a public house, an Inn, and maybe even a "men's club" with that name, but beats me what that has to do with what we discuss here.

Maybe as American you used the wrong name, maybe you meant "Downing St. 10" ?

Edited October 18, 2014 by rubl

[Thanet]

You mean that Prayuth is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day, right? Cronyism, hatred of criticism, association with people of unusual wealth, things like that.

Even with the censored press, and devotional people like you who believe it, your hero is making one crass mistake after another.

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

None so blind ... ...

Is that all you can say?

Well, there are an increasing number of people here who are honestly saying that they have misjudged Prayuth. They say that all he does is talk, and that much of what he says displays a crass misunderstanding of how things work.

Not you though. You've dug yourself too deeply into your hypocritical hole of an argument.

[Thanet]

,,, and that's why most government nowadays watch social media. Of course only to 'take care'. Ask Snowden.

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

Trying to say that Australia is as repressive as Thailand is a good example of the casuistic piffle that underpins practically every point you make.

Surveillance laws for are a sad reflection of modern times. They are intended to thwart terrorism and serious crime, rather then to bully and harass political opponents as is routinely happening here. Sadly mistaken are all these conspiracist paranoid types, who believe that ASIO has the time and resources to spy on their boring lives.

Australia is nothing like Thailand. In Australia, you are allowed to criticise the government, lampoon the government, peacefully protest, and the press is allowed to report on all the stupid things that the government says and does.

Kudos to Australia for taking a stand against dictators and similar trash, not letting them set foot on its soil.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Thanet

[rubl]

You mean that Prayuth is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day, right? Cronyism, hatred of criticism, association with people of unusual wealth, things like that.

Even with the censored press, and devotional people like you who believe it, your hero is making one crass mistake after another.

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

None so blind ... ...

Is that all you can say?

Well, there are an increasing number of people here who are honestly saying that they have misjudged Prayuth. They say that all he does is talk, and that much of what he says displays a crass misunderstanding of how things work.

Not you though. You've dug yourself too deeply into your hypocritical hole of an argument.

It would seem that you're losing yourself in emotions rather than objective arguments.

[rubl]

You don't seem to understand the ("take care ")comment is part of the Thai Junta "mouth piece BS

They Said It!

SO there is no confusion the Thai military said this

So the reader understands -

Here is the full comment -

*(when asked why they were going after social media people)

Quote

"This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'

Unquote

It was said about nailing people who are critical of them (a justification)

Its obvious , they are going to be oppressive today and tomorrow - and every day they rule by GUN

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

Trying to say that Australia is as repressive as Thailand is a good example of the casuistic piffle that underpins practically every point you make.

Surveillance laws for are a sad reflection of modern times. They are intended to thwart terrorism and serious crime, rather then to bully and harass political opponents as is routinely happening here. Sadly mistaken are all these conspiracist paranoid types, who believe that ASIO has the time and resources to spy on their boring lives.

Australia is nothing like Thailand. In Australia, you are allowed to criticise the government, lampoon the government, peacefully protest, and the press is allowed to report on all the stupid things that the government says and does.

Kudos to Australia for taking a stand against dictators and similar trash, not letting them set foot on its soil.

"dictators and similar trash" ? You're getting somewhat insulting, my dear chap.

You seem to be unable to understand the principle of freedom of opinion and speech. It is not whether or not the Australian Government has the resources to 'spy on all', but the fact that now by law they have the power to do so and to therefore create an atmosphere of fear in it's citizens. At least that's what people have been telling me about the same situation we now have here in Thailand. Hypocritically so.

Edited October 18, 2014 by rubl

[fab4]

Still on topic then rubl? I could have sworn this forum was about Thailand

True, oh so true. That's why some like to comment on what PM Prayut may have said in Milan and relate it to the 'deplorable state of freedom' in Thailand, completely ignoring the Internet surveillance done in their (possibly) own country.

FF wrote

"This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'"

So, did you actually read those articles about the friendly, 'take care' attitude of the Australian Government? When will the UK follow?

This is Thailand, the junta are in charge, hence I am more interested in what the junta says or does rather than the Australian government.

[rubl]

Still on topic then rubl? I could have sworn this forum was about Thailand

True, oh so true. That's why some like to comment on what PM Prayut may have said in Milan and relate it to the 'deplorable state of freedom' in Thailand, completely ignoring the Internet surveillance done in their (possibly) own country.

FF wrote

"This comment in Milan is raising some eyebrows -

Here is the Junta justifying its crackdown on social media when asked why it is Blocking" Human Rights Watch" website and hunting down people who are expressing anti coup statements on Twitter and Facebook and forums?

How is this for NEWS-SPEAK?'

Quote

This is only to take care,but not control.

People need to understand not to infringe on other's rights to improve society'"

So, did you actually read those articles about the friendly, 'take care' attitude of the Australian Government? When will the UK follow?

This is Thailand, the junta are in charge, hence I am more interested in what the junta says or does rather than the Australian government.

Here some condemn the Thai PM for being undemocratic, dictatorial, requiring censorship, being against free speech. References are made as to other countries our PM could learn from.

Well, it would seem he can learn from Australia with it's new law on Internet surveillance and a few additional powers they can apply against their own citizens.

Of course, if you really feel like 'only Thailand' I wonder why you ever came up with a document describing the Italian 'refugee status application' procedure.

[Thanet]

Well FF, since you often state that the Australian government has banned the Thai PM and other NCPO members from setting a single foot on Australian soil, you may be relieved to know that the Australian government is really taking care for you and of you

2014-10-10

"Welcome, reader, and welcome, anonymous Australian Security Intelligence Organisation oversight employee whose name and position we will never know, and could face criminal prosecution for mentioning even if we did. That isn’t a joke. That isn’t hyperbole. The National Security Amendments Bill (No. 1) has been passed into law, and that means every single thing that’s Australian and online is potentially under investigation.

The bill’s amendments allow ASIO to spy on an unlimited number of computers on a single warrant, to share more information with other agencies, and to send people to jail for even mentioning the specifics of when those things happen."

http://www.techly.com.au/2014/10/10/australian-internet-now-surveillance/

2014-09-26

"On Thursday, the Australian Senate passed a bill that would increase the powers of domestic spy agency ASIO, giving it the ability to monitor all of the Australian Internet with a single warrant. It could also send anyone who “recklessly” discloses information that “relates to a special intelligence operation” to jail for up to 10 years. (Any operation can be considered special.) The bill is expected to pass the House, where it will be up for a vote on Tuesday at the earliest."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

2014-02-11

"Tony Abbott’s government is applying the same infantile messaging tactics it applies to foreign policy nightmares like the conflict in Syria. According to Abbott and attorney general George Brandis, Edward Snowden is a traitor (baddie). Anything the US Government (goodie) does to silence the messenger – presumably up to and including the vivid daydreams of extrajudicial murder disclosed by NSA operatives – will be uncritically supported by team Abbott."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/11/day-fight-back-against-internet-surveillance-scott-ludlam

Trying to say that Australia is as repressive as Thailand is a good example of the casuistic piffle that underpins practically every point you make.

Surveillance laws for are a sad reflection of modern times. They are intended to thwart terrorism and serious crime, rather then to bully and harass political opponents as is routinely happening here. Sadly mistaken are all these conspiracist paranoid types, who believe that ASIO has the time and resources to spy on their boring lives.

Australia is nothing like Thailand. In Australia, you are allowed to criticise the government, lampoon the government, peacefully protest, and the press is allowed to report on all the stupid things that the government says and does.

Kudos to Australia for taking a stand against dictators and similar trash, not letting them set foot on its soil.

"dictators and similar trash" ? You're getting somewhat insulting, my dear chap.

You seem to be unable to understand the principle of freedom of opinion and speech. It is not whether or not the Australian Government has the resources to 'spy on all', but the fact that now by law they have the power to do so and to therefore create an atmosphere of fear in it's citizens. At least that's what people have been telling me about the same situation we now have here in Thailand. Hypocritically so.

Atmosphere of fear? In Australia?? You've got to be joking!

You must have never lived there, but I have, and I can assure you that Oz is one of the most laid back and easy going places on the planet. If you are a terrorist or a criminal, or are otherwise trying to destroy the freedoms and liberties that Aussies enjoy, then be worried - law enforcement is accurate, predictable and just. Most Aussies I meet are happy with that. Otherwise, enjoy yourself and have fun partaking in the national sport of criticising the politicians.

You are confusing robust law enforcement with political repression. You don't seem able to differentiate between the two, that or you are clinging to a falsehood to win the argument. To say that Australia is in any way repressive is a lie.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Thanet

[Thanet]

You mean that Prayuth is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day, right? Cronyism, hatred of criticism, association with people of unusual wealth, things like that.

Even with the censored press, and devotional people like you who believe it, your hero is making one crass mistake after another.

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

None so blind ... ...

Is that all you can say?

Well, there are an increasing number of people here who are honestly saying that they have misjudged Prayuth. They say that all he does is talk, and that much of what he says displays a crass misunderstanding of how things work.

Not you though. You've dug yourself too deeply into your hypocritical hole of an argument.

It would seem that you're losing yourself in emotions rather than objective arguments.

Better to be emotional than to be a hypocrite

Still waving the junta flag? Sounding a bit hollow, and not so many supporters here now?

Would you wave a junta flag in Holland? Thankfully, you aren't allowed to vote here, so your political influence goes no further than this Internet notice board.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Thanet

[rubl]

None so blind ... ...

Is that all you can say?

Well, there are an increasing number of people here who are honestly saying that they have misjudged Prayuth. They say that all he does is talk, and that much of what he says displays a crass misunderstanding of how things work.

Not you though. You've dug yourself too deeply into your hypocritical hole of an argument.

It would seem that you're losing yourself in emotions rather than objective arguments.

Better to be emotional than to be a hypocrite

Still waving the junta flag? Sounding a bit hollow, and not so many supporters here now?

Would you wave a junta flag in Holland? Then God they don't allow you to vote here.

It would seem you're both while accusing me of the other.

If as you say I'm an unwavering 'junta flag' carrier than that would suggest consistency. Accusing me of hypocricy seems aimed at trying anything to condemn me, or suggest insincerity in my posts while being emotional to the point of losing objectiveness.

With all your non-arguments and frequent suggestions of how you think people from other countries should think, it seems you're a prime example of what's wrong in this country.

[Thanet]

If as you say I'm an unwavering 'junta flag' carrier than that would suggest consistency. Accusing me of hypocricy seems aimed at trying anything to condemn me, or suggest insincerity in my posts while being emotional to the point of losing objectiveness.

With all your non-arguments and frequent suggestions of how you think people from other countries should think, it seems you're a prime example of what's wrong in this country.

Ha ha. Very funny.

So what is wrong with this country then, and what makes you think that repression by a bunch of old soldiers will fix it? Go on - admit it. Other posters are doing so. Even some friends that I was having a dinner with this evening, and who were supporting the coup at first, now think that Prayuth is totally out of touch, and not the hero that he at first appeared to be.

Military dictatorships didn't work in Holland either, as I'm sure you'll recall and agree. Why on earth would they work here?

To support a political system that failed in your country, while living as a guest in mine, is the very essence of your hypocrisy.

[rubl]

If as you say I'm an unwavering 'junta flag' carrier than that would suggest consistency. Accusing me of hypocricy seems aimed at trying anything to condemn me, or suggest insincerity in my posts while being emotional to the point of losing objectiveness.

With all your non-arguments and frequent suggestions of how you think people from other countries should think, it seems you're a prime example of what's wrong in this country.

Ha ha. Very funny.

So what is wrong with this country then, and what makes you think that repression by a bunch of old soldiers will fix it? Go on - admit it. Other posters are doing so. Even some friends that I was having a dinner with this evening, and who were supporting the coup at first, now think that Prayuth is totally out of touch, and not the hero that he at first appeared to be.

Military dictatorships didn't work in Holland either, as I'm sure you'll recall and agree. Why on earth would they work here?

To support a political system that failed in your country, while living as a guest in mine, is the very essence of your hypocrisy.

I've always said that with proper reforms even the PDRC would be unpleasantly surprised. Equal by law, effectively as well. Now that's where your friends might start to feel threatened.

BTW please remind me, when did we in the Netherlands last have a military dictatorship?

Edited October 18, 2014 by rubl

[Thanet]

If as you say I'm an unwavering 'junta flag' carrier than that would suggest consistency. Accusing me of hypocricy seems aimed at trying anything to condemn me, or suggest insincerity in my posts while being emotional to the point of losing objectiveness.

With all your non-arguments and frequent suggestions of how you think people from other countries should think, it seems you're a prime example of what's wrong in this country.

Ha ha. Very funny.

So what is wrong with this country then, and what makes you think that repression by a bunch of old soldiers will fix it? Go on - admit it. Other posters are doing so. Even some friends that I was having a dinner with this evening, and who were supporting the coup at first, now think that Prayuth is totally out of touch, and not the hero that he at first appeared to be.

Military dictatorships didn't work in Holland either, as I'm sure you'll recall and agree. Why on earth would they work here?

To support a political system that failed in your country, while living as a guest in mine, is the very essence of your hypocrisy.

I've always said that with proper reforms even the PDRC would be unpleasantly surprised. Equal by law, effectively as well. Now that's where your friends might start to feel threatened.

BTW please remind me, when did we in the Netherlands last have a military dictatorship?

In the second world war. You are of mature years, so I'm sure that your parents told you about that.

And what makes you think that the reforms here will be 'proper'?? What is your definition of the word 'proper', will you have to live with it, and would the majority of Thais agree with it?

Edited October 18, 2014 by Thanet

[rubl]

Ha ha. Very funny.

So what is wrong with this country then, and what makes you think that repression by a bunch of old soldiers will fix it? Go on - admit it. Other posters are doing so. Even some friends that I was having a dinner with this evening, and who were supporting the coup at first, now think that Prayuth is totally out of touch, and not the hero that he at first appeared to be.

Military dictatorships didn't work in Holland either, as I'm sure you'll recall and agree. Why on earth would they work here?

To support a political system that failed in your country, while living as a guest in mine, is the very essence of your hypocrisy.

I've always said that with proper reforms even the PDRC would be unpleasantly surprised. Equal by law, effectively as well. Now that's where your friends might start to feel threatened.

BTW please remind me, when did we in the Netherlands last have a military dictatorship?

In the second world war. You are of mature years, so I'm sure that your parents told you about that.

And what makes you think that the reforms here will be 'proper'. What is your definition of the word 'proper', and would the majority of Thais agree with it?

Proper reforms to educate the population on democracy, what it entails, what it expects, the duties and rights. All those things Europeans took a few centuries to learn.

As for WWII, well that was an occupation by the armed forces of another country. Now as far as I know Thailand has never been conquered, not even in WWII

[Thanet]

Tragic:

http://time.com/3512541/thailand-koh-tao-murder-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-2/

[Thanet]

Interesting choice of salute:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-thailand-politics-idUSKCN0I40YJ20141015

[Thanet]

Ha ha. Very funny.

So what is wrong with this country then, and what makes you think that repression by a bunch of old soldiers will fix it? Go on - admit it. Other posters are doing so. Even some friends that I was having a dinner with this evening, and who were supporting the coup at first, now think that Prayuth is totally out of touch, and not the hero that he at first appeared to be.

Military dictatorships didn't work in Holland either, as I'm sure you'll recall and agree. Why on earth would they work here?

To support a political system that failed in your country, while living as a guest in mine, is the very essence of your hypocrisy.

I've always said that with proper reforms even the PDRC would be unpleasantly surprised. Equal by law, effectively as well. Now that's where your friends might start to feel threatened.

BTW please remind me, when did we in the Netherlands last have a military dictatorship?

In the second world war. You are of mature years, so I'm sure that your parents told you about that.

And what makes you think that the reforms here will be 'proper'. What is your definition of the word 'proper', and would the majority of Thais agree with it?

Proper reforms to educate the population on democracy, what it entails, what it expects, the duties and rights. All those things Europeans took a few centuries to learn.

As for WWII, well that was an occupation by the armed forces of another country. Now as far as I know Thailand has never been conquered, not even in WWII

What makes you believe that repression is a form of education?

Edited October 18, 2014 by Thanet

[Fred321]

Interesting choice of salute:

Interesting only to those that struggle with difficult mental concepts like identifying a wave (even when it's specifically identified as a "wave" in the caption by the very news media source they are linking).

[tbthailand]

I've always said that with proper reforms even the PDRC would be unpleasantly surprised. Equal by law, effectively as well. Now that's where your friends might start to feel threatened.

BTW please remind me, when did we in the Netherlands last have a military dictatorship?

In the second world war. You are of mature years, so I'm sure that your parents told you about that.

And what makes you think that the reforms here will be 'proper'. What is your definition of the word 'proper', and would the majority of Thais agree with it?

Proper reforms to educate the population on democracy, what it entails, what it expects, the duties and rights. All those things Europeans took a few centuries to learn.

As for WWII, well that was an occupation by the armed forces of another country. Now as far as I know Thailand has never been conquered, not even in WWII

What makes you believe that repression is a form of education?

he is trolling you.

and he is also wrong. Even with the last claim that Europe took centuries to 'learn' democracy. It takes very little time for people to understand democracy. What takes time is for the old power brokers to accept democracy or to get swept out of the way.

Thailand - as you already understand - has had a military faction, an anti-democratic royalist faction, and an educated democratic faction for 70 years or more. The educated democratic faction has gotten the short end of the stick for most of that time.

The promise today, which may bear fruit in the future, is a growing understanding of and desire for democratic rule among a much broader spectrum of the Thai population. This last group understands much more about how the world works. They understand 'respect my vote' and people I know honestly want nothing more than that simple freedom.

This is not the Thailand of the 1950's and 1960's. In my opinion, this group of the Thai population is growing more aware of it's own power and the past cycles of the elite & military fighting among themselves, and telling the rest of Thailand to go back to the rice-paddies, are finished.

[heyexile]

Tragic:

http://time.com/3512541/thailand-koh-tao-murder-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-2/

See Telegraph using same respectful title. "Mr Cameron raised the issue with Thailand`s Military Dictator."

"...vitally important for the State to use all its powers to repress dissent for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie. So the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Goebells, Reichs Minister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment.