Hotels association wants control of tourist arrivals in Phuket

[NamKangMan]

If the hotel is empty the lease payment is still made. The company owning the hotel has a staff and they get paid and they spend money. Tourism is going down in Thailand; better a lease payment that is 100% sure thing than the ups and downs of tourism.

Same thing in many businesses. Better to service the bar than own the bar. All the tour company gets is a commission on services bought from Thais. The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel.

Don't worry about the Thai people. They have been selling tours for a long time. They are doing fine.

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles?

"Don't worry about the Thai people." - I don't. They are only reaping what they have sewn on Phuket.

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread.

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?" The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there.

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles? 60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now." The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread." The complaints are about too many tourists not too few. OP "The Southern Hotels Association has suggested that the number of tourists visiting Phuket in the future should be kept at an appropriate level to match with the capacity of accommodation."

"The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there." - Phuket is not getting the "rich people" anymore.

"60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)" - and those meals are paid for in a foreign country, when they pay for their package holiday. All the profits from the sale of those meals stay abroad, not in Thailand.

"The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975." - a true, and funny joke, but it doesn't help your argument much.

"The complaints are about too many tourists not too few." - yes, too many package holiday tourists, who are devaluing the "Phuket brand."

As stated before, the higher tourist numbers are not turning into higher profits. The western tourists, with money to spend, are not coming to Phuket in the numbers they used to, and that's because Phuket no longer offers a good value product, by way of a holiday, for the consumer.

[Blindside]

Some of these 4 and 5 star hotels must be careful about being hypocrites and talking about illegal activity. A number have encroached on public land / beaches. They restrict public parking as if it was their own. They got building rights when they were for sale. Some are built above the legal limits etc etc.

Not to mention all the points made already.

[thailiketoo]

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?" The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there.

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles? 60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now." The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread." The complaints are about too many tourists not too few. OP "The Southern Hotels Association has suggested that the number of tourists visiting Phuket in the future should be kept at an appropriate level to match with the capacity of accommodation."

"The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there." - Phuket is not getting the "rich people" anymore.

"60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)" - and those meals are paid for in a foreign country, when they pay for their package holiday. All the profits from the sale of those meals stay abroad, not in Thailand.

"The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975." - a true, and funny joke, but it doesn't help your argument much.

"The complaints are about too many tourists not too few." - yes, too many package holiday tourists, who are devaluing the "Phuket brand."

As stated before, the higher tourist numbers are not turning into higher profits. The western tourists, with money to spend, are not coming to Phuket in the numbers they used to, and that's because Phuket no longer offers a good value product, by way of a holiday, for the consumer.

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

[stevenl]

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?" The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there.

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles? 60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now." The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread." The complaints are about too many tourists not too few. OP "The Southern Hotels Association has suggested that the number of tourists visiting Phuket in the future should be kept at an appropriate level to match with the capacity of accommodation."

"The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there." - Phuket is not getting the "rich people" anymore.

"60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)" - and those meals are paid for in a foreign country, when they pay for their package holiday. All the profits from the sale of those meals stay abroad, not in Thailand.

"The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975." - a true, and funny joke, but it doesn't help your argument much.

"The complaints are about too many tourists not too few." - yes, too many package holiday tourists, who are devaluing the "Phuket brand."

As stated before, the higher tourist numbers are not turning into higher profits. The western tourists, with money to spend, are not coming to Phuket in the numbers they used to, and that's because Phuket no longer offers a good value product, by way of a holiday, for the consumer.

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

Agree with you regarding the Chinese, unfortunately it is different with the Russians:

"Lets say you are a Russiantour operator; you drive the bus up to the restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Russian owner, normally you get a discount. The Russian people eat, the Russian owner counts the meals served and charges the Rusian touroperator in Russia."

Edited October 26, 2014 by stevenl

[thailiketoo]

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

Agree with you regarding the Chinese, unfortunately it is different with the Russians:

"Lets say you are a Russiantour operator; you drive the bus up to the restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Russian owner, normally you get a discount. The Russian people eat, the Russian owner counts the meals served and charges the Rusian touroperator in Russia."

The Russians buy Thai food and pay Thai employees to serve people. Food cost and labor is 60%; rent and utilities 20%. The Russian staying in Phuket get 10% and spends it in Phuket so 10% goes to Russia and 90% stays in Thailand.

PS the Thais have not figured this out yet. They think the Russians and other Farang can take Thai land back to Russia and the West.

Edited October 26, 2014 by thailiketoo

[NamKangMan]

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?" The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there.

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles? 60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now." The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread." The complaints are about too many tourists not too few. OP "The Southern Hotels Association has suggested that the number of tourists visiting Phuket in the future should be kept at an appropriate level to match with the capacity of accommodation."

"The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there." - Phuket is not getting the "rich people" anymore.

"60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)" - and those meals are paid for in a foreign country, when they pay for their package holiday. All the profits from the sale of those meals stay abroad, not in Thailand.

"The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975." - a true, and funny joke, but it doesn't help your argument much.

"The complaints are about too many tourists not too few." - yes, too many package holiday tourists, who are devaluing the "Phuket brand."

As stated before, the higher tourist numbers are not turning into higher profits. The western tourists, with money to spend, are not coming to Phuket in the numbers they used to, and that's because Phuket no longer offers a good value product, by way of a holiday, for the consumer.

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

I understand what you are saying, yes, a farmer gets some money for producing an agricultural product, for human consumption. There will be a supplier, and some transportation of these products.

What I am saying is, if a Russian or Chinese company owns a hotel, part of the package holiday may be "all meals included" in the hotel where they are staying, not outside.

There may be some meals included, in outside restaurants, and these will probably be Russian or Chinese controled as well.

So, they pay for the package holiday in China or Russia, sure, some money gets sent to Thailand for operating costs (the food - in this example) but the PROFIT from all of these tourists stays in Russia or China.

Can you see how the money is not spread across the island with these type of tourists? It all stays "in house."

Let's use transport as another example, 60 people in one coach bus, being transported around Phuket, as opposed to 30 couples using various taxis and tuk-tuks. Can you see how the taxis and tuk-tuks have lost business? (not that I care)

Can you see how this takes money out of the Phuket economy?

[thailiketoo]

"The tour buses stop at PTT for gas and the Chinese stock up at the 7/11 store for travel." - what sells more gas, 30 couples traveling in 30 different taxis or tuk-tuks, or 60 people traveling in one coach bus?" The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there.

What makes more money - selling 60 meals in a restaurant, or selling 60 packets of instant noodles? 60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)

"They have been selling tours for a long time." - never to package holiday makers, on such a grand scale here, as now." The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975.

"They are doing fine." - no, they are not, hence, complaints being made, which are in the article, that are the subject of this thread." The complaints are about too many tourists not too few. OP "The Southern Hotels Association has suggested that the number of tourists visiting Phuket in the future should be kept at an appropriate level to match with the capacity of accommodation."

"The tour bus. Rich people fly into the resort and stay there." - Phuket is not getting the "rich people" anymore.

"60 packets of instant noodles. (Breakfast lunch and dinner are catered at Thai restaurants, noodles are for snacks.)" - and those meals are paid for in a foreign country, when they pay for their package holiday. All the profits from the sale of those meals stay abroad, not in Thailand.

"The biggest package tour Thailand ever sold was R&R during the Vietnam war. 1965 to 1975." - a true, and funny joke, but it doesn't help your argument much.

"The complaints are about too many tourists not too few." - yes, too many package holiday tourists, who are devaluing the "Phuket brand."

As stated before, the higher tourist numbers are not turning into higher profits. The western tourists, with money to spend, are not coming to Phuket in the numbers they used to, and that's because Phuket no longer offers a good value product, by way of a holiday, for the consumer.

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

I understand what you are saying, yes, a farmer gets some money for producing an agricultural product, for human consumption. There will be a supplier, and some transportation of these products.

What I am saying is, if a Russian or Chinese company owns a hotel, part of the package holiday may be "all meals included" in the hotel where they are staying, not outside.

There may be some meals included, in outside restaurants, and these will probably be Russian or Chinese controled as well.

So, they pay for the package holiday in China or Russia, sure, some money gets sent to Thailand for operating costs (the food - in this example) but the PROFIT from all of these tourists stays in Russia or China.

Can you see how the money is not spread across the island with these type of tourists? It all stays "in house."

Let's use transport as another example, 60 people in one coach bus, being transported around Phuket, as opposed to 30 couples using various taxis and tuk-tuks. Can you see how the taxis and tuk-tuks have lost business? (not that I care)

Can you see how this takes money out of the Phuket economy?

No. And here's why. What percent of profit does the bus company make after paying the loan and maintenance wages and gas? 90% is cost and 10% is profit. You think the hotels make more than 8% profit? Or the restaurants more than 10% profit? Almost all the money stays in Thailand. Get familiar with the profit percent made by companies in the Hospitality industry.

A Thai owns everything and leases it to another nationality with the exception of Americans who can own 100% but still the costs are 90% and the profits leaving Thailand are minuscule.

The hotel association just wants tourists with more money to spend and the chances of them getting them are nil. I agree with you Phuket is not a good deal. I never thought it was.

I don't know what the break even is in most expensive Phuket hotels. I suspect somewhere around 60% occupancy. They are not making one cent till that 60% occupancy percent is reached.

It's not like they make 10% on every room. They make nothing until they sell enough rooms to go past break even. Low season they make nothing.

Edited October 26, 2014 by thailiketoo

[dundee48]

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Ps - don't forget Blackpool, Scarborough,Brighton,Dundee......

Blackpool, Scarborough, Brighton ... maybe an alternative. But Dundee ??? Hardly a seaside or beach resort.

Never heard of Broughty Ferry?Lovely beach there.

[NamKangMan]

@ thailiketoo

Ok, so, why call them "zero baht tourist?"

Why not call them "8% tourists?"

Actually, if there is no problem at all on Phuket, why does this thread even exist?

[thailiketoo]

@ thailiketoo

Ok, so, why call them "zero baht tourist?"

Why not call them "8% tourists?"

Actually, if there is no problem at all on Phuket, why does this thread even exist?

I think Phuket has major problems. 1. Bad PR. 2. Many less people are going to travel by air.

But it's not because the money is going out of the country to Russia. It is because fewer tourists are coming from anywhere. If you want rich Chinese tourists find out how Macao does it.

[stevenl]

The tour operators pay the Thai vendors for product. The profit is made by the Thai vendors. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Lets say you are a Chinese tour operator; you drive the bus up to the Thai restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Thai owner, normally you get a discount. The Chinese people eat, the Thai owner counts the meals served and charges you the Chinese bus driver and you pay him cash.

Thais have been dealing with large scale tour operators for hundreds of years.

The rich have not left Phuket the hotel occupancy rate is down; the hotels are not empty. June last year the occupancy rate was 50% this year it's 40%. June is the low season.

I think this high season will be down because of the politics and ebola and crime sprees. Down is not out. Phuket has 10% more quality rooms this year than last. The operators will still make money but not as much as last year.

Agree with you regarding the Chinese, unfortunately it is different with the Russians:

"Lets say you are a Russiantour operator; you drive the bus up to the restaurant and negotiate a deal with the Russian owner, normally you get a discount. The Russian people eat, the Russian owner counts the meals served and charges the Rusian touroperator in Russia."

The Russians buy Thai food and pay Thai employees to serve people. Food cost and labor is 60%; rent and utilities 20%. The Russian staying in Phuket get 10% and spends it in Phuket so 10% goes to Russia and 90% stays in Thailand.

PS the Thais have not figured this out yet. They think the Russians and other Farang can take Thai land back to Russia and the West.

Sorry, no, not with the Russians.

[thailiketoo]

The Russians buy Thai food and pay Thai employees to serve people. Food cost and labor is 60%; rent and utilities 20%. The Russian staying in Phuket get 10% and spends it in Phuket so 10% goes to Russia and 90% stays in Thailand.

PS the Thais have not figured this out yet. They think the Russians and other Farang can take Thai land back to Russia and the West.

Sorry, no, not with the Russians.

What is not with the Russians?

[stevenl]

The Russians buy Thai food and pay Thai employees to serve people. Food cost and labor is 60%; rent and utilities 20%. The Russian staying in Phuket get 10% and spends it in Phuket so 10% goes to Russia and 90% stays in Thailand.

PS the Thais have not figured this out yet. They think the Russians and other Farang can take Thai land back to Russia and the West.

Sorry, no, not with the Russians.

What is not with the Russians?

90% stays in Thailand.

They work with Russian owned businesses, Russian staff. The money never even gets to Thailand.

[waynethor]

It sounds like they want to increase the "discounted" rooms at high-star hotels from a lowly 2500 baht a night up to 4 or 5K a night or more and only allow tourists onto Phuket who will take those rooms. Yes, please do this. I'm really curious to see how this will work out for the Phuket economy.

The whole idea of business competition and having to actually provide service and value for one's money is just not in the Thai mindset.

[thailiketoo]

The Russians buy Thai food and pay Thai employees to serve people. Food cost and labor is 60%; rent and utilities 20%. The Russian staying in Phuket get 10% and spends it in Phuket so 10% goes to Russia and 90% stays in Thailand.

PS the Thais have not figured this out yet. They think the Russians and other Farang can take Thai land back to Russia and the West.

Sorry, no, not with the Russians.

What is not with the Russians?

90% stays in Thailand.

They work with Russian owned businesses, Russian staff. The money never even gets to Thailand.

Do they buy Russian food? Is the land in Thailand owned by Russians? Is the gas to power the buses imported from Russia? Do they pay the utility bills to Russia? Are the 7/11's where the Russians hang out owned by Russians? You want me to keep going?

[stevenl]

Do they buy Russian food? Is the land in Thailand owned by Russians? Is the gas to power the buses imported from Russia? Do they pay the utility bills to Russia? Are the 7/11's where the Russians hang out owned by Russians? You want me to keep going?

Yes, they buy Russian food in Russian owned restaurants, served by Russian staff, where they own the land.

Gas and utilities they probably buy locally, I'll give you that, plus the 7/11's are doing fine.

[mancub]

In Ao Nang, Krabi the only taxi service available to tourists is provided by the self-named 'Taxi club " . Fixed high prices and no competition allowed, save for the airport bus service.

Seems that the Hotels association in Phuket would like a similar monopoly. Honestly, a quality control check on arrivals ! ....perhaps only Elite Card Members will be allowed entry in future ?

[thailiketoo]

Do they buy Russian food? Is the land in Thailand owned by Russians? Is the gas to power the buses imported from Russia? Do they pay the utility bills to Russia? Are the 7/11's where the Russians hang out owned by Russians? You want me to keep going?

Yes, they buy Russian food in Russian owned restaurants, served by Russian staff, where they own the land.

Gas and utilities they probably buy locally, I'll give you that, plus the 7/11's are doing fine.

All the food that Russians eat in Phuket is imported from Russia? The land that the restaurant is on is owned by Russians? Come on now. I live in Thailand. Meat and vegetables eaten in Phuket does not come from Russia (have you ever heard of a Russian Chicken in Thailand). Russians can't own (100%) land or a business in Thailand. Russians are like anyone else who is not Thai. Why do you think so many Russian tour guides got busted? Russians make a small profit on businesses in Thailand the same as anyone else except Americans who can own 100% and they make more if they become Thai see Minor corp.

Below from newspaper in Phuket

Russia’s economy has been badly hit by the consequences of the Ukrainian conflict and the sanctions imposed by the USA and EU. The Russian currency has dropped significantly against both the USD and the Euro -- and the Thai baht. It is widely recognised that leisure and travel expenses are among the first to be cut when people need to save money.

The wave of bankruptcies among Russian tour companies has made people less confident about their safety wile travelling abroad (let alone the negative effect for the industry proper) -

Both Russian and Thai state agencies have already admitted that 2014 is a tough year for Thai tourism. Political disturbances followed by martial law, the coup and curfew hit the arrivals greatly.

Edited October 27, 2014 by thailiketoo

[Oziex1]

Stop Talking, start acting

Shutdown scams clean up the Island continue and complete the work started a few months ago by the Army that has apparently lost it's momentum.

I watched a vid on a Thai Air flight the other day about Phuket's eco friendly green resorts, didn't show the filthy black slick pouring from the disgusting klong at Karon Beach.

What can we say it's all been said, the answers are simple, will we see change?

[stevenl]

"The land that the restaurant is on is owned by Russians?"

"Russians can't own (100%) land or a business in Thailand."

Sure they own the land of the restaurant, plus of the Latex factory as well.

You may live in Thailand but it really sounds like you don't live in Phuket or Pattaya.

[thailiketoo]

"The land that the restaurant is on is owned by Russians?"

"Russians can't own (100%) land or a business in Thailand."

Sure they own the land of the restaurant, plus of the Latex factory as well.

You may live in Thailand but it really sounds like you don't live in Phuket or Pattaya.

Well I guess you have accepted the fact that Russian chickens don't fly from Russia to Thailand.

The next step will be realizing that businesses owned in contravention of Thai law are built on a shaky foundation at best.

[stevenl]

"The land that the restaurant is on is owned by Russians?"

"Russians can't own (100%) land or a business in Thailand."

Sure they own the land of the restaurant, plus of the Latex factory as well.

You may live in Thailand but it really sounds like you don't live in Phuket or Pattaya.

Well I guess you have accepted the fact that Russian chickens don't fly from Russia to Thailand.

The next step will be realizing that businesses owned in contravention of Thai law are built on a shaky foundation at best.

It is time you saw what is happening, in stead of posting from far away. Sorry to say, but your posts show you really don't know.

And since this is off topic, that's all I'm going to say about this here.

[thailiketoo]

"The land that the restaurant is on is owned by Russians?"

"Russians can't own (100%) land or a business in Thailand."

Sure they own the land of the restaurant, plus of the Latex factory as well.

You may live in Thailand but it really sounds like you don't live in Phuket or Pattaya.

Well I guess you have accepted the fact that Russian chickens don't fly from Russia to Thailand.

The next step will be realizing that businesses owned in contravention of Thai law are built on a shaky foundation at best.

It is time you saw what is happening, in stead of posting from far away. Sorry to say, but your posts show you really don't know.

And since this is off topic, that's all I'm going to say about this here.

If the hotel association has it's way no Russians will be allowed to stay at illegal Russian businesses or be taken around by illegal Russian tour guides or be served meals in illegal Russian restaurants using illegal Russian serving and cooking labor.

22 Russians detained in Pattaya and Phuket police concerned that crimes committed by foreigners are on the increase. Mr. Yosawat, 56 and Mr. Patanan, 30, the centers managers were both arrested along with twenty two Russian tour guides and four Cambodians who did not have work permits. http://www.samuitimes.com/22-russians-detained-pattaya-phuket-police-concerned-crimes-committed-foreigners-increase/

In Pattaya they round up the ladies from the former Soviet Republics every month or so.

I doubt whether any hotel association will make much of a difference. The military maybe but not a bunch of hotel operators.

Edited October 27, 2014 by thailiketoo

[honoluabay]

I understand that last year was the worst year in 5 years.

This info comes from local business owners, in the Kata area that is.

Was this true ? Many rooms left empty all hi season, and then you people that hold out for top baht then don't rent at all. Wasted room.

Edited October 28, 2014 by honoluabay

[thailiketoo]

I understand that last year was the worst year in 5 years.

This info comes from local business owners, in the Kata area that is.

Was this true ? Many rooms left empty all hi season, and then you people that hold out for top baht then don't rent at all. Wasted room.

Eight new hotels with 971 keys are planned to open........ In 2014 Phuket’s total hotel units

are forecast to top 47,112. What do you think?

http://www.c9hotelworks.com/downloads/phuket-hotel-market-update-2014-03.pdf