PM Gen. Prayut orders stricter security measures for public and tourists

[Thailand]

I have to agree with some of the posters here, isn't the reason for martial law still in place due to security concerns?

How do you increase an already increased state? By putting more boots on the ground ? So that is going to work well given that martial law and the current political situation in LOS where tourist numbers are already down and say what you like, but they're linked!!

So as well as security upping the ante there's an underground movement working behind the scenes against the junta and PM too?

I do wonder where the intelligence for all if this comes from and why not simply arrest and detain these " underground " movement as they must surely know "who, where and why " the players involved.

The army isn't typically trained in internal security roles, a role that has typically been the area for the RTP, and they were on the streets manning VCPs during the protests but didn't actually stop many attacks from occurring either.

Increase boots on the ground will more than likely be counterproductive, covert intelligence gathering is the way forwards, and detain these undesirables, but can anyone say or tell what is the specific threat?

Maybe he needs to lock up all the taxi drivers and jetskis mafias as these are typically the ones responsible for acts of violence and crimes against tourists!!

Perhaps a new phrase to enter in the dictionary in the future.

Martial Law Plus?

[Alwyn]

"Prime Minister Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha on Friday said that he had instructed all relevant agencies to strictly enforce the laws to ensure safety of the public and foreign tourists in the country."

Instructed what exactly? Which laws to enforce to aid the public and tourists?

Empty words if you ever saw any!

P. Clamp down guys.

R. Clamp down on what exactly, Sir?

P. I said clamp down, so just do it!

R. Ok, Sir, but we have no idea what you are talking about.

P. I am talking about what I said. Are you questioning my authority?

R. No, Sir. We'll carry on as usual, as you instruct with your untouchable authority.

If you want facts---PTP must hold the Guiness Book of Records for the most Clampdowns----short memory eh !!!

You must be up for the Guinness Book of Records for posts in a forum in record time.

If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I read your posts with increasing nausea. Each and every time you harp back to PTP for comparisons, guess what? That's now history and what the PM does today is what counts, not yesterday - that's gone, not tomorrow - that's not here yet. Today, stop your feeble excuses and judge him by his performance and nobody else's. That's what matters (well, to every body but you it seems)

[Robespiere]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I do well remember, but we cannot possibly see a complete reversal, in a few months - again every government has a big say in what's happening, and who has been the main party for so long ??

The military!

[ginjag]

"Prime Minister Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha on Friday said that he had instructed all relevant agencies to strictly enforce the laws to ensure safety of the public and foreign tourists in the country."

Instructed what exactly? Which laws to enforce to aid the public and tourists?

Empty words if you ever saw any!

P. Clamp down guys.

R. Clamp down on what exactly, Sir?

P. I said clamp down, so just do it!

R. Ok, Sir, but we have no idea what you are talking about.

P. I am talking about what I said. Are you questioning my authority?

R. No, Sir. We'll carry on as usual, as you instruct with your untouchable authority.

If you want facts---PTP must hold the Guiness Book of Records for the most Clampdowns----short memory eh !!!

Ridiculous post from a rabid anti PTP poster????

You and Alwyn are the rabid ones in denial---all I have ever advocated is that if you govern you do it according to your sworn in oath.

PTP did not do this, unless you think blindly they did a clean job ?? it is only objecting to bad governance-----you call it rabid anti PTP got a guilt conscience have you the way Yingluck governed. FACT.

As for my comment re clampdowns---it was fact PTP have the record, so you even deny that----

Now it's all anti PM......

[ginjag]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I do well remember, but we cannot possibly see a complete reversal, in a few months - again every government has a big say in what's happening, and who has been the main party for so long ??

The military!

No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ???????

[dieseldave1951]

no

Gee. The BiB are going to have to leave the tea money checkpoints and actually work?

[Fat Haggis]

What was the reasons for all the other coups?

[Thailand]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I do well remember, but we cannot possibly see a complete reversal, in a few months - again every government has a big say in what's happening, and who has been the main party for so long ??

The military!

No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ???????

The military?

[ginjag]

If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I read your posts with increasing nausea. Each and every time you harp back to PTP for comparisons, guess what? That's now history and what the PM does today is what counts, not yesterday - that's gone, not tomorrow - that's not here yet. Today, stop your feeble excuses and judge him by his performance and nobody else's. That's what matters (well, to every body but you it seems)

The world compares the previous government to keep us on track---call it nausea.

I am judging him on his 5 months, all I am saying is (and you don't like it) he has done very much more than (nausea)

Your last remark is a lie---I do not think I am alone for supporting him. Why post it.

You are the people that are not wanting to know weatherhe does good or not----look back on your posts ?? how many times have you praised his efforts ??? and don't tell me he has done no good. Things are not smooth but if everyone thought like your clan no progress would be made----and ok again the same as the last 3 years----put that in your pie and smoke it.

[Fat Haggis]

What clan is this you keep referring to?

The clan of not drinking the junta kool aid one?

Just because one disagrees with certain issues that have been cropping up against the PM doesn't = red supporter by the way.

[joebrown]

Maybe I shouldn't trust statistics but I see per 100,000 population Thailand has 344 police officers (2012). The UK had 237 and USA 248 per 100,000 of population. The UK and Thailand have similar poulation numbers but Thailand has almost twice the number of serving armed forces personnel than UK.

Let's not believe the statistics tell the whole truth, but even factoring in a 10% discrepancy in favour of Thailand, there is still a very big difference in the figures. How can the PM justify the need for increased security personnel based on these figures? Maybe he should order some of those holding 'inactive' posts to get off their ar##s and earn the sinecures they currently receive every month!

[marcusd]

What was the reasons for all the other coups?

Same reasons as this coup. BAD GOVERNMENT massive over the top corruption and still nothing changes because the root of this evil is buying the poo and making a bought vote count as democratic. I mean a really bought vote 500 or 1000 baht DIRECT in the hand of the ballot caster nhot in we will do this and that campaigns as in happening in the west.

So all of you listen up. The General is trying and using his authority and what he says is well meaning but actions by the underlings are everything.

Do any of you listen when your wives say ENOUGH DARLING STOP and lets go home? SAME SAME

[Fatty123]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I was about to agree but In my seven years in LOS (now back in blighty) I was never set upon by a Thai. Only 3 incidents spring to mind. I have been set upon by an East European (not sure what country), an American biker type and a German. The East European 'walked' into me on purpose looking for a fight, the American told me to ''f..off, faggot'' when I put my name on the board for a game of pool and the German asked where I was from and called my home city 'Shitze!' very loudly (while pushing me) and in my face, for some bizarre reason.

Thais? Not a peep. Although I take your point that gangs may now see 'farang' as easy targets as the cops do nothing about it.

Obviously, I'm not comparing my mild incidents with the horrors of Koh Tao and other high profile cases. For me, it seems drunk western tourists in the nice resorts are the biggest danger when it comes to violent confrontation.

Although it is a different (and much more dangerous) story for young attractive white females in LOS. If I had a daughter in her late teens/early twenties, I would be very worried about her visiting Thailand.

The problem is that potential Thai rapists may see that you can rape western women and get away with it.

[ginjag]

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If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I thought the coup was justified because Thailand would now have good governance. But now you are saying the only standard the military needs to be held to is to just be less worse? And this justifies overthrowing an elected government?

It is the portrayal of the anti PM clan that are saying everything is bad.

Read my 3 rd line again. Get my drift ?? what are you twisting it around for-------the saying is you cannot get more bad than bad--and this is what the Propaganda posters are making the PM to be. I am optimistic about the PM intentions, and I believe he is trying to achieve good governance.

[pisico]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I do well remember, but we cannot possibly see a complete reversal, in a few months - again every government has a big say in what's happening, and who has been the main party for so long ??

The military!

No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ???????

The military ! Every single time. 19 coups and counting. Democracy in keeping with Thainess. Get it now?

[ginjag]

What clan is this you keep referring to?

The clan of not drinking the junta kool aid one?

Just because one disagrees with certain issues that have been cropping up against the PM doesn't = red supporter by the way.

The body of posters on TVF that are constantly slagging off the PM no matter what time and effort he is trying to help the country.

It is not a matter of disagreeing it is the point of attacking every move---that is different. I disagree with the hastily efforts at some flaws in governing, Does that mean I love the man because I am looking on the positive side.

I did not see any of these members slagging off a government that was not govering as it should have. I wonder why ?? But that doesn't mean they were red supporters, it just meant they were in denial.

Some members are only new on the scene and have no idea who PTP were who controlled them and what achievements they produced in 3 years---I remember.

[ginjag]

No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ???????

The military ! Every single time. 19 coups and counting. Democracy in keeping with Thainess. Get it now?

Going back over 50 years are we ?? What is your point. without some of them anarchy -civil war would have happened.

[ggt]

Pick the tourists up at the airport with a police escorted bus...place GPS armbands on each tourist for tracking...take the tourists to a police manned state designated hotel...escort them later to restaurants and roped off areas of the beaches and city...and tell them to feel free to move about the secure state designated areas...

I believe N. Korea gives tourists more freedom to get into trouble...

[Fat Haggis]

Maybe his point is that at the root of every coup is the military, and within them a particular hierarchy perhaps it's the very establishment itself that needs to also reform?

You see Ginjag is that many here see the military and it's thousands of generals as the "old elite" and also behaving like spoilt children when things don't go their way.

What's he saying about history repeating again? Can't remember off the top of my head, but it's repeated itself 19 times don't you think that in itself is more cause for concern than a general who went onto become an unelected ( by the Thai population) popularity amongst cynical farangs ??

[ginjag]

Pick the tourists up at the airport with a police escorted bus...place GPS armbands on each tourist for tracking...take the tourists to a police manned state designated hotel...escort them later to restaurants and roped off areas of the beaches and city...and tell them to feel free to move about the secure state designated areas...

I believe N. Korea gives tourists more freedom to get into trouble...

Ridiculous to say the least. Speaks for it's self. Clan member now do some of you get my meaning of the term.???

[fobuff]

How much clamp down can you have.... There is martial law under a military coup with an illegal military junta in power with a great infallible great leader....

Maybe what is needed is another coup...

[ginjag]

How much clamp down can you have.... There is martial law under a military coup with an illegal military junta in power with a great infallible great leader....

Maybe what is needed is another coup...

No it's easy go back to the impeccable governing under the Shins 3 years. PEWK

[brucec64]

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If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I thought the coup was justified because Thailand would now have good governance. But now you are saying the only standard the military needs to be held to is to just be less worse? And this justifies overthrowing an elected government?

It is the portrayal of the anti PM clan that are saying everything is bad.

Read my 3 rd line again. Get my drift ?? what are you twisting it around for-------the saying is you cannot get more bad than bad--and this is what the Propaganda posters are making the PM to be. I am optimistic about the PM intentions, and I believe he is trying to achieve good governance.

Your last line is exactly why we will never agree on this.

While you believe in good intentions, and that the numerous misteps of the governments are just bumps along the way, I see the opposite. I don't see the ultimate goal of this process to be an inclusive government, and that the numerous misteps along the way are just examples of what is to come, and exemplify the less than noble intentions.

I see the anti-corruption headlines that occured during the first two months as just a way to divert attention while the military government entrenched itself into all facets of government, from the RTP to the local governments, to the state enterprises. We now see a much lower level of these actions now tha the power has been firmly established. The handling of the Koh Tao incident, microphones, brother's assets, questionable military spokesman contracts are just a few examples of how corruption will be tolerated if done by the "right" people.

The makeup of the NLA and NRC, even if they are more than rubber stamps, will not solve the political divide in Thailand, since a large portion of the population will be disenfranchised when the reforms are complete.

I would not try to argue that the previous government was good, but I think that, at best, the coup has resulted in a lateral shift in governance for Thailand.

[bangrak]

I'd order to have thundershowers only between 2 and 4 a.m., it would increase the security of the public and tourists too. Why not, it is a realistic as the General's, next, new, 'order' is. It starts to sound like when Chalerm announced measures he would materialise within three weeks. Ubu comes to mind... And 'the police' is (just) (a big) part of 'the system', and 'the system' is rotten to the core, no lick of paint 'changes and reforms' will be able to hide the whole building is corrupt and should be teared down, and rebuilt anew, from groundwork up. Of course this will not happen, as all the ones who have some, any, power have become it from 'the system', and have become part of it. And this is why the basic Thai citizens should NOT become any decent education, allowing them to analyse, compare, relativate, criticise, oppose, ...make up an opinion of their own, because then they could realise what's going on in THEIR country, get quite angry, mad, about it, and then nothing and noone would be able to stop them from tearing the building down... So...

[RigPig]

Man, he really doesn't get it. Clueless.

HE gets it YOU don't....................if security is strengthened all the better for local and Tourist. 5 mins ago your clan were shouting for more---now he want's for the betterment you cry it down.........so much for your agenda.

Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold??

[Alwyn]

If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I read your posts with increasing nausea. Each and every time you harp back to PTP for comparisons, guess what? That's now history and what the PM does today is what counts, not yesterday - that's gone, not tomorrow - that's not here yet. Today, stop your feeble excuses and judge him by his performance and nobody else's. That's what matters (well, to every body but you it seems)

The world compares the previous government to keep us on track---call it nausea.

I am judging him on his 5 months, all I am saying is (and you don't like it) he has done very much more than (nausea)

Your last remark is a lie---I do not think I am alone for supporting him. Why post it.

You are the people that are not wanting to know weatherhe does good or not----look back on your posts ?? how many times have you praised his efforts ??? and don't tell me he has done no good. Things are not smooth but if everyone thought like your clan no progress would be made----and ok again the same as the last 3 years----put that in your pie and smoke it.

re-read, I didn't say you're alone supporting him, you seem to be alone trying to compare everything with PTP performance. I haven't praised his efforts one single time as I haven't noticed anything praise-worthy, unless you include getting people to commit suicide after being evicted from their businesses? His 5 months have been nothing but smoke and mirrors, he's antagonised most foreign countries with his buffoon like comments about girls in bikinis, his ridiculous offer of rewards to police for just doing their job and then having to retract them, his handling of Koh Tao and just about everything he does really. I'm not really interested to hear what you great you think he's done because you think dictatorship and martial law are good so there's no talking with people like you.

[ginjag]

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If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I thought the coup was justified because Thailand would now have good governance. But now you are saying the only standard the military needs to be held to is to just be less worse? And this justifies overthrowing an elected government?

It is the portrayal of the anti PM clan that are saying everything is bad.

Read my 3 rd line again. Get my drift ?? what are you twisting it around for-------the saying is you cannot get more bad than bad--and this is what the Propaganda posters are making the PM to be. I am optimistic about the PM intentions, and I believe he is trying to achieve good governance.

Your last line is exactly why we will never agree on this.

While you believe in good intentions, and that the numerous misteps of the governments are just bumps along the way, I see the opposite. I don't see the ultimate goal of this process to be an inclusive government, and that the numerous misteps along the way are just examples of what is to come, and exemplify the less than noble intentions.

I see the anti-corruption headlines that occured during the first two months as just a way to divert attention while the military government entrenched itself into all facets of government, from the RTP to the local governments, to the state enterprises. We now see a much lower level of these actions now tha the power has been firmly established. The handling of the Koh Tao incident, microphones, brother's assets, questionable military spokesman contracts are just a few examples of how corruption will be tolerated if done by the "right" people.

The makeup of the NLA and NRC, even if they are more than rubber stamps, will not solve the political divide in Thailand, since a large portion of the population will be disenfranchised when the reforms are complete.

I would not try to argue that the previous government was good, but I think that, at best, the coup has resulted in a lateral shift in governance for Thailand.

Nothing you or I can do about the situ, but I will never stoop as low as some and remorselessly slam the authorities every day ----nothing will be gained and these are the people that will come crying if someone knocks on their door. I said before this is 1 last chance.

[RigPig]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

I think you are right, that the low lives of the country appear to believe as if they can act with impunity, that they are untouchable and can do anything they like. But it's worse than just not being worried about getting caught and punished. I think it goes further. They also act like, the have a sense of entitlement, that it is their right to cheat and abuse, including to use violence. It's not just the acts, but the arrogance that I find incredible. These gangs of thugs, strutting around, cocky, sure in the knowledge they will always be backed up not just by their gangs but by all thais who time and time again act like packs of dogs attacking foreigners at the slightest reason, or not even knowing the reason. And they know that in 99% of cases the police would automatically be in their side, no matter how horrific and disgusting their own acts and behavior

You are of course quite correct, how many times have I heard "this not your country" or "This is Thailand this is my country", which is true but it seems that what you have said is the result of this thinking. It seems like a form of indoctrination to me, possibly from the schools I wonder?

It's not just a means of justification, it's a means of normalisation.

[Lozza]

When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way?

agreed

in the 70's felt as safe as houses even in the lion's den

then the drugs moved in.

[ginjag]

If you guys took a breather instead of slagging the PM for any reason you can come up with, then my post count may lessen.

Is this all you can come up with after a few of you have shot yourselves in the foot.

If you are to complain make sure that PTP wasn't doing a worse job. Don't you think that would be better thinking. ??

Do not forget every time you complain about my post count YOU yes YOU are adding one----OMG

I read your posts with increasing nausea. Each and every time you harp back to PTP for comparisons, guess what? That's now history and what the PM does today is what counts, not yesterday - that's gone, not tomorrow - that's not here yet. Today, stop your feeble excuses and judge him by his performance and nobody else's. That's what matters (well, to every body but you it seems)

The world compares the previous government to keep us on track---call it nausea.

I am judging him on his 5 months, all I am saying is (and you don't like it) he has done very much more than (nausea)

Your last remark is a lie---I do not think I am alone for supporting him. Why post it.

You are the people that are not wanting to know weatherhe does good or not----look back on your posts ?? how many times have you praised his efforts ??? and don't tell me he has done no good. Things are not smooth but if everyone thought like your clan no progress would be made----and ok again the same as the last 3 years----put that in your pie and smoke it.

re-read, I didn't say you're alone supporting him, you seem to be alone trying to compare everything with PTP performance. I haven't praised his efforts one single time as I haven't noticed anything praise-worthy, unless you include getting people to commit suicide after being evicted from their businesses? His 5 months have been nothing but smoke and mirrors, he's antagonised most foreign countries with his buffoon like comments about girls in bikinis, his ridiculous offer of rewards to police for just doing their job and then having to retract them, his handling of Koh Tao and just about everything he does really. I'm not really interested to hear what you great you think he's done because you think dictatorship and martial law are good so there's no talking with people like you.

Look you stoke and poke the fire with your suicide statements. Remember the rice farmers suicides---for got that---be reasonable.

in 5 months you have not noticed anything good he has done ??? then you do not want to look--shows your complete biased. good do not talk then save your hate of the PM for someone else.

The last I heard here was everyone ignored him on his trip abroad, looking at Aljazeera and other news outlets he spoke to most and has agreed some decent deals. India japan middle east china Europe endless meetings------if that's ignoring him ---keep up the slagging.